Vateshran Hollows trifecta

seventhirtyseven_

Hey guys, I'm currently trying the trifecta and it's messing me up pretty bad. The best I've done was 50 minutes with 5 deaths so I know I can easily do it.
But jeeeeeeez this arena is so bugged! Minotaur is still insanely broken. Either he doesn't jump to another platform when his colour changes, or your bashes on the ghosts don't work. The first boss of Hunter's Grotto is also bugged for me.
I was also looking for some tips to do this without the buffs. I was 15/15 today and died on the LAST boss of the lava arena. Even with the health buffs he hits so damn hard. I wanna do this without the buffs so I'm faster but it seems impossible! I have flawless conqueror and I thought that was not that hard (magcro), but this is just on another level because everything just hits you so hard.
I've managed to do the last boss without deaths, so my only problem is that boss on the lava arena. Any tips for him? I have more than enough damage but at one point he just hits me really hard, even when I avoid the fire breath. Should I focus the colossus when he spanws? I kinda just ignore him when I do the fight.

Aldoss

When the minotaur changes color, you need to switch the platform, he won't do it. If you're saying that you're doing that and he's not following you, then yes, something is weird about that.

If you're doing this as a magcro, then your path should be Green, Blue, Red (or at least, that's the path that will likely be the path of least resistance for you as a mag dps). Finishing a path makes all the other enemies harder.

The lava boss does hit hard but the telegraphs and the order are very blatant. Set your dots, keep the buffs up, get ready for the orb mechanic, and be ready to manage the collossi when they spawn. How you choose to do that is a matter of personal preference. Some folks focus them and avoid the boss, others ignore them. When I ran this heavily I would always focus the 1st one down and then leave the 2nd to just burn the boss down. Ignoring both seems overly chaotic.

vgabor

seventhirtyseven_ wrote: »

Should I focus the colossus when he spanws? I kinda just ignore him when I do the fight.

It's up to you really, I usually take care of the colossus while the boss has that spinning fire around and stay fixated in one place. And those hard hits, you want to dodge/kite them and not let the boss hit you while enraged.

lauykanson

What's your gear setup atm? For spirit slayer title run the pale order ring is pretty much no brainer for how much it heals you.

There's plenty of options available but in general I would recommend going for False God/ Medusa combination so that your sustain and damage are taken care of as well.

Minotaur is indeed broken and for now its kinda pot luck whether he wants to platform switch or not, not much you can do about that until ZOS is looking into it, not sure about the phantom casters never had problems with interrupting them so far. I never cam across any bugs apart from the minotaur boss fight.

For the red arena final boss he does hit hard but if you are using the pale order ring and dishing out damage consistently the incoming heal should always outweight the damage received, he does not do any heavy attacks or channel attacks so it down to heal>damage really. The mechanics is that if you let him light up 3 corners he will receive a damage buff and hit even harder, so when you have the orb effect active you should try to absorb at least one of the corners if you think you can't kill him before he gets buffed up.

The aforementioned boss will spawn 2 colossus during the fight and whether or not to kill them is down to how fast you can burn the boss. If you don't have very high DPS I would at least try to kill the first one so when the second one comes you don't have a bunch of adds trying to hit you all the time. It's not that tanky and you can bring it to the boss and drop some ground AOE dots and they should die rather quickly, and by doing huge AOE damage you will also get insane heals from the pale order ring as well. When the second colossus comes out the boss should be at execute range already so I'll just ignore it and burn boss.

For any fights that you can pack the trash adds and the main boss together I would say hungry scythe is a very good spammable, it hits for a reasonable damage with great cleave while healing you on top of the pale order ring

Caligamy_ESO

seventhirtyseven_ wrote: »

Hey guys, I'm currently trying the trifecta and it's messing me up pretty bad. The best I've done was 50 minutes with 5 deaths so I know I can easily do it.
But jeeeeeeez this arena is so bugged! Minotaur is still insanely broken. Either he doesn't jump to another platform when his colour changes, or your bashes on the ghosts don't work. The first boss of Hunter's Grotto is also bugged for me.
I was also looking for some tips to do this without the buffs. I was 15/15 today and died on the LAST boss of the lava arena. Even with the health buffs he hits so damn hard. I wanna do this without the buffs so I'm faster but it seems impossible! I have flawless conqueror and I thought that was not that hard (magcro), but this is just on another level because everything just hits you so hard.
I've managed to do the last boss without deaths, so my only problem is that boss on the lava arena. Any tips for him? I have more than enough damage but at one point he just hits me really hard, even when I avoid the fire breath. Should I focus the colossus when he spanws? I kinda just ignore him when I do the fight.

There is a really obscure mechanic on the lava boss that I just wasn't aware of at all when I was learning Vateshran. Everytime he floods the platform with that fiery lava stuff and you pop a brimstone orb to protect against it, are you also running to the corner where the randomly placed flames are and jumping into them? This keeps the boss from getting his (enrage) flame dmg buffs, you don't have to do it for every flame but just 1 usually gets me by this fight without him getting the suped up flame attacks.

As for the colossus I usually just try to be aware of when/where it's at when it spawns and try to stack it right on top of the boss when he begins doing that spinning fire attack and drop elemental rage on top of him & the colossus. As for cutting out more time, there is a substantial amount of enemies you can just walk around, bypass, or teleport away from in some paths that you should try to experiment around with when you've got some time.

Last bit.. if you do get buffs the green path buff always auto-stuns the ghosts during the minotaur fight when you grapple from platform to platform. Not the most useful thing for magcro I know.. but there's also an achievement for picking up all buff orbs if you're achievement hunting. I have heard the Minotaur is just heavily bugged this patch and I've been hesitant to even bother with more Vateshran because of that but good luck.

LyraEmber

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

I completed it with 64 magika in light armor while wearing thrassians, so any bugs would really stick out to me because I would probably die.
heres a video if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3Z9wbDPnc

On the minotaur boss, keep in mind you can go back and forth between the platforms whenever you want, so if the minotaur changes colors and becomes invincible, just rotate. Use the time to get some resources back.

I would definitely recommend on the lava boss, as soon as the platform is about to fill with lava, definitely step into the corner with the orb to put out the fire. They really should make it a bigger visual effect, because most people completely miss it.

Caligamy_ESO

LyraEmber wrote: »

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

I completed it with 64 magika in light armor while wearing thrassians, so any bugs would really stick out to me because I would probably die.
heres a video if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3Z9wbDPnc

On the minotaur boss, keep in mind you can go back and forth between the platforms whenever you want, so if the minotaur changes colors and becomes invincible, just rotate. Use the time to get some resources back.

I would definitely recommend on the lava boss, as soon as the platform is about to fill with lava, definitely step into the corner with the orb to put out the fire. They really should make it a bigger visual effect, because most people completely miss it.

Its not confusion, since update32 the minotaur frequently will not chase you even if you have grappled to the other side of the arena.

LyraEmber

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

LyraEmber wrote: »

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

I completed it with 64 magika in light armor while wearing thrassians, so any bugs would really stick out to me because I would probably die.
heres a video if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3Z9wbDPnc

On the minotaur boss, keep in mind you can go back and forth between the platforms whenever you want, so if the minotaur changes colors and becomes invincible, just rotate. Use the time to get some resources back.

I would definitely recommend on the lava boss, as soon as the platform is about to fill with lava, definitely step into the corner with the orb to put out the fire. They really should make it a bigger visual effect, because most people completely miss it.

Its not confusion, since update32 the minotaur frequently will not chase you even if you have grappled to the other side of the arena.

sweet, extra time to refill your resources, whats the problem? I guess Ill have to run it again and see what the fuss is all about.

Caligamy_ESO

LyraEmber wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

LyraEmber wrote: »

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

I completed it with 64 magika in light armor while wearing thrassians, so any bugs would really stick out to me because I would probably die.
heres a video if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3Z9wbDPnc

On the minotaur boss, keep in mind you can go back and forth between the platforms whenever you want, so if the minotaur changes colors and becomes invincible, just rotate. Use the time to get some resources back.

I would definitely recommend on the lava boss, as soon as the platform is about to fill with lava, definitely step into the corner with the orb to put out the fire. They really should make it a bigger visual effect, because most people completely miss it.

Its not confusion, since update32 the minotaur frequently will not chase you even if you have grappled to the other side of the arena.

sweet, extra time to refill your resources, whats the problem? I guess Ill have to run it again and see what the fuss is all about.

Just imagine the minotaur going invulnerable and you've got no way of getting him to change platforms, and what that does to anyone trying to get the speed run achievement.

lauykanson

LyraEmber wrote: »

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

LyraEmber wrote: »

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

I completed it with 64 magika in light armor while wearing thrassians, so any bugs would really stick out to me because I would probably die.
heres a video if that helps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk3Z9wbDPnc

On the minotaur boss, keep in mind you can go back and forth between the platforms whenever you want, so if the minotaur changes colors and becomes invincible, just rotate. Use the time to get some resources back.

I would definitely recommend on the lava boss, as soon as the platform is about to fill with lava, definitely step into the corner with the orb to put out the fire. They really should make it a bigger visual effect, because most people completely miss it.

Its not confusion, since update32 the minotaur frequently will not chase you even if you have grappled to the other side of the arena.

sweet, extra time to refill your resources, whats the problem? I guess Ill have to run it again and see what the fuss is all about.

The problem being that when a player is trying to go for a trifecta run it needs to be completed within 45 minutes, while you might be a very good player not everyone is on the same level hence every minute counts. If I'm using say a heavy attack build I couldn't care less about resources as I'll always be at max anyway, what I need is the boss to come over so I can actually damage it. I've had occasions where the boss was refusing to jump for 30seconds or more and just firing off range attacks at me that I need to dodge roll or block, which actually drains my stamina rather than giving me window to replenish it and it's not a pleasant experience to have this as a stamina DD. By the time it finally decides to leap over it's either due for a phase shift again or the casters are up to be interrupted again which wastes even more time and this could happen multiple times in the fight depends on the player's DPS output.

To clarify I have Spirit Slayer unlocked on both magicka and stamina toons since U32 launched and the minotaur boss have been the most time wasting fight for me so far even though I'm well within the time limit, can definitely feel the frustration from the players that could just use another few minutes to secure the achievement.

Ezhh

Aldoss wrote: »

When the minotaur changes color, you need to switch the platform, he won't do it. If you're saying that you're doing that and he's not following you, then yes, something is weird about that.

I don't know about the OP, but I went in there a couple of nights back and the minotaur failed to follow me when I switched platforms. He did eventually, but each time it was after quite a delay and only when I backed up as far away from him as possible on a different platform. I don't know if the distance now needs to be greater for him to follow you, or if he is just very delayed in jumping.

I did the trifecta some time back and maybe I recall wrong, but I remember him being much quicker to follow me back then.

Saieden

Since you're magicka, you should be doing the grotto boss first, so it should be entirely possible to still get trifecta if you have good dps.

I main stamblade, doing the red stage second, so I'm not sure how much harder this would be as the last boss, but I basically ignore the colossus and let him feed me skeletons for sustain and pale order healing as they stack on the boss by themselves. The enrage only happens after 3 of the pyres are lit and if you do this strat and focus the boss, you don't have to worry about it. As a necro you should also have good health, resists, and passive healing (spirit guardian is your friend).

It's much easier to get trifecta if you go for the essence orbs provided you skip as many adds as possible. You don't need to kill any in the wounding portals, for example, just slot channel or charging and run and grab synergies. Memorize the fragment locations and devise a route to check the ones along the normal path and others that are quick to grab (e.g. in the red stage you can turn towards the secret boss and just get ones in the lava and on the cliff where the wounding portal takes you). Don't do the secret bosses, of course.

For the last boss, remember to do the portals in the safest order: blue, green, red. My safe speed strat is to break the chain in the first (starts with max hp) and fourth (focus flame shapers first) phases and just burn down to 10% in the others. It should also be fine to do it by breaking the chain once each time, but if you can't manage that, it would probably be most beneficial to just work on your rotation/parse.

Bat

LyraEmber wrote: »

Some people claim that there are bugs, but I think its just confusion about the mechanics.

If you never experienced any bugs in Vateshran Hollows, I'd say it's safe to assume you can consider yourself in a very lucky minority, lmao. It took me several weeks of daily tries to get Spirit Slayer, towards the end and when knowing the ins and outs of that arena only due to persistent bugs, most involving the grappling bow, and most of those times in the Minotaur fight where several bugs involving the grappling bow can arise. I'm sad to hear that Update 32 introduced even more bugs to that boss fight, but relieved I got the achievement in before the update on my main, a magicka Dragonknight that, before U32 DK buffs, felt absolutely underpowered for the trifecta achievement. I got it with only 15 seconds to spare.

seventhirtyseven_

Aldoss wrote: »

When the minotaur changes color, you need to switch the platform, he won't do it. If you're saying that you're doing that and he's not following you, then yes, something is weird about that.

Yes, I am aware that I need to switch. I'm talking about the boss not comming over. He just stays away and wastes so much time.

lauykanson wrote: »

What's your gear setup atm? For spirit slayer title run the pale order ring is pretty much no brainer for how much it heals you.

False God/Bahsei and Medusa. I don't have the ring because I haven't bothered farming the leads, I've heard it makes this way easier but I was hoping I could do it without the ring. As I said, my best so far was 50 minutes with 5 deaths so I think I can easily do it. On the last 3 runs I've wasted sometime on the minotaur fight and it's very frustrating.

Saieden wrote: »

Since you're magicka, you should be doing the grotto boss first, so it should be entirely possible to still get trifecta if you have good dps.

I'm aware. I've done this many times, completed it on the same day it came out. I'm just going for the trifecta now!

Saieden wrote: »

For the last boss, remember to do the portals in the safest order: blue, green, red. My safe speed strat is to break the chain in the first (starts with max hp) and fourth (focus flame shapers first) phases and just burn down to 10% in the others. It should also be fine to do it by breaking the chain once each time, but if you can't manage that, it would probably be most beneficial to just work on your rotation/parse.

I have no problems with the last boss, I've managed to do it several times with no deaths.

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

There is a really obscure mechanic on the lava boss that I just wasn't aware of at all when I was learning Vateshran. Everytime he floods the platform with that fiery lava stuff and you pop a brimstone orb to protect against it, are you also running to the corner where the randomly placed flames are and jumping into them? This keeps the boss from getting his (enrage) flame dmg buffs, you don't have to do it for every flame but just 1 usually gets me by this fight without him getting the suped up flame attacks.

As for the colossus I usually just try to be aware of when/where it's at when it spawns and try to stack it right on top of the boss when he begins doing that spinning fire attack and drop elemental rage on top of him & the colossus. As for cutting out more time, there is a substantial amount of enemies you can just walk around, bypass, or teleport away from in some paths that you should try to experiment around with when you've got some time.

Last bit.. if you do get buffs the green path buff always auto-stuns the ghosts during the minotaur fight when you grapple from platform to platform. Not the most useful thing for magcro I know.. but there's also an achievement for picking up all buff orbs if you're achievement hunting. I have heard the Minotaur is just heavily bugged this patch and I've been hesitant to even bother with more Vateshran because of that but good luck.

I did not know about that mechanic! Maybe that's what's killing me! He's probably getting enraged! Thanks!
Yeah I've gotten that achievement already, I've done this several times, I'm just trying the trifecta now! Thanks for all the comments!

jaws343

During my work towards Trifecta I found that it was mostly the deaths that were delaying my time. Once I got the no death part down, the timing was all about figuring out ways to be more efficient in certain fights. Some things I did:

I went for the easy, in the path of where I was going, resource orbs. That extra damage and health goes a long way.

During the final fight, I always save my ultimate and immediately pull all of the colossi into the middle at the same time and dump the destro ult on them and the boss and kite them through it. This burns the colossi immediately, and then you only have to deal with them occasionally through the rest of the fight if the bosses health gets high.

When I go into the portal, I do not use my ult on the first two. But I always make sure I have an ult ready for the flamespinner portal. Best to burn the mini boss and flamespinner together there.

Every time I am out of the portal I wait for an ult and then aggro any remaining colossi to ult dump them and the boss.

But yeah, with 5 deaths, I think you are right there time wise. And likely close to a trifecta if you can clean that up a bit. Some of the tips for the other arenas are solid. Especially the lava boss fight. I didn't know about the flames on the outer corners and that was the leading cause of me dying until I figured it out. And I always try to group the boss and the colossus together to ult dump when the boss goes stationary.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

No reason not to grab the buffs, there should be plenty of time. They make your life easier. 5 Deaths is your time issue, not grabbing power ups. For the lava boss, I usually kill one of the big adds when the boss goes immune, but I usually ignore after. I also really like to swap to Ring of the Hunt for parts of the lava stage, makes it easier to sprint through the lava and grab some of the buffs. Certainly not necessary, but convenient.