Blastbones and Other Pets Go Through Mistform

Vevvev

Me and a friend dueled each other a few times but I was incredibly amazed with his DPS. He made Mistform's mitigation in PvP look like nothing, he had to have so much damage!

In reality he didn't have the damage I was being led to believe. I told him to stop attacking me and he did, and then I had him hit me with Blastbones in Mistform and outside of Mistform.... same damage.

Blastbones, a player casted ability, does not count as player damage and thus ignores the damage mitigation of Mistform. This change to Mistform has actually managed to kill the ability in PvP as well as PvE. I wouldn't be surprised if the other pet attacks that don't count as being done by you did the same.

Edit: And the other pets do go through Mistform as well.





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Auberon1983

Very interesting! I have a Necro, though he's a PvE TankCro. I see you are on PC. I am on PS4, and we don't get the update until the 16th. Tomorrow I'll try to get a Vampy Guildmate to "duel" my tank, and see if Blastbones is effected. If it isn't, it could very well be update related

Bucky_13

Hmmm, think I'm gonna duel my guildie who mains sorc tonite and see how her pets behave, could be a similar thing. Wonder how warden bear is too.

Vevvev

Would love to learn what you two find out, and I'm 100% certain this is happening because of the Deadlands update, Auberon. Mistform used to mitigate everything till the Deadlands patch, but now it seems even some player attacks are getting through the rule of only player attacks being mitigated by the ability.

Fennwitty

Vevvev wrote: »

Would love to learn what you two find out, and I'm 100% certain this is happening because of the Deadlands update, Auberon. Mistform mitigated everything but now it seems even some player attacks are getting through it.

They made Mistform reduction not apply in PvE -- so against monsters it doesn't work.

If the game is considering certain pets as 'non-player' damage sources, then it could be letting their attacks through without mitigation now.

perfiction

Fennwitty wrote: »

If the game is considering certain pets as 'non-player' damage sources, then it could be letting their attacks through without mitigation now.

If that's the case I'd not be surprised if current mist form doesn't work against sorc pets or warden bear as well tbh.

milllaurie

Oh that's what's happening! I turned into fart cloud in bgs and this necro still managed to land some beefy hits somehow a few days ago. I brushed it off as "must be lag and desyncs again".
I got my closure now.

Vevvev

Fennwitty wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Would love to learn what you two find out, and I'm 100% certain this is happening because of the Deadlands update, Auberon. Mistform mitigated everything but now it seems even some player attacks are getting through it.

They made Mistform reduction not apply in PvE -- so against monsters it doesn't work.

If the game is considering certain pets as 'non-player' damage sources, then it could be letting their attacks through without mitigation now.

My bad on the misswording. (I hate autocorrect and have a bad habit of hitting submit before reading over my posts.)

Casul

This would make sense, I found back last year that blastbones was applying a snare called hamstring when it crit you from a flank. That same snare is applied by PvE monsters in order to slow you down. If this is the case for mistform being PvP only then it was probably an oversight for blastbones to bypass mistform.

Bucky_13

Tried it with my sorc guildie, mist form doesn't do any difference against any of the 3 sorc pets. I received the same damage in normal form as I did in mist form. This is good to know for next Cyro session.

Strongly suspect warden bear is the same thing, not sure with the racer. Haven't tried warden tho.

Vevvev

Bucky_13 wrote: »

Tried it with my sorc guildie, mist form doesn't do any difference against any of the 3 sorc pets. I received the same damage in normal form as I did in mist form. This is good to know for next Cyro session.

Strongly suspect warden bear is the same thing, not sure with the racer. Haven't tried warden tho.

Thanks for testing it out. This is troublesome for anyone trying to use the ability.

YandereGirlfriend

For the sake of completion, I would also strongly suspect that neither the Nightblade Shade nor the Necro Archer/Mage would be affected nor would a small handful of monster sets (Maw of the Infernal) and sets.

Vevvev

My opponent in the duel used the skeletal mage, and while we didn't stop and test it specifically the mage was hitting pretty hard to. It must be going through as well.

Mayrael

From very good but not OP skill (pre vamp rework) to totally useless skill. Well done ZOS, the only useful skill that vampire ever had and you've managed to destroy it completely...

Ratzkifal

I don't get why they had to make it be completely ineffective in PvE. Why couldn't it have been 30% like Meditate has?
And now this PvP-only ability doesn't even work properly in PvP anymore.
There is a word in German for trying to make things better but only making them worse in the process - verschlimmbessern. This is exactly what is happening here - an ability that didn't need a nerf got nerfed and in the process of nerfing it, it was also broken.

FluffWit

Oh well, doesnt help me any but at least we have some counter play to Mist form on a couple classes.

Vevvev

FluffWit wrote: »

Oh well, doesnt help me any but at least we have some counter play to Mist form on a couple classes.

Couple? All of them actually. Sets that summon pets like Maw of the Infernal seem to be going through Mistform as well.

Ankael07

This problem is a double edged sword. Blastbone also doesnt proc some sets (Scathing Mage ,Pale Order ring) or CP stars like Reaving since it doesnt count as player sourced damage

Auberon1983

Update -

An awesome Guildmate of mine and I just tested it out with his vamp toon. On PS4/PS5, Mistform still has the damage mitigation. Blastbones was hitting for around 3K damage when he was out of Mistform, but only about 790 damage while he was in Mistform. We tested this about 5 times, same result each time. Yes I know those damage numbers are low, my Necro is a tank lol.

So, we can ascertain on PS, it's still how it was prior to the recent PC update.

Jeremy

FluffWit wrote: »

Oh well, doesnt help me any but at least we have some counter play to Mist form on a couple classes.

There was always counter play to Mist Form. Oblivion damage for example goes right through it.

You also can't even attack while in Mist Form. So what is there to counter really?

Why the developers are so obsessed with destroying this ability I'll never understand. It was fine the way it was before all the nerfs.

Vevvev

Jeremy wrote: »

You also can't even attack while in Mist Form. So what is there to counter really?

Some people believe that they must kill you to win. Granted it is a goal of Deathmatch BGs and ends the threat, but if the foe flees they are gone from the picture and no longer contributing. Some think the fact they continued to chase said vampire and then died to them after following them into a choke point only to get CC'd and bursted down is a sign that the ability is "OP". In all honesty, that was using the ability as intended, relocation. Bloodmist is countered by the fact it's slow and has a higher magicka cost, and Elusive Mist is countered by what you already mentioned, Oblivion damage, and damage over time effects that keep gnawing away at the HP.

I honestly don't think the devs intended for player pets to go right through Mistform as it's clear they at least wanted it working correctly in PvP.