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Please Remove Dark Convergence from the Game
DestroyerPewnack
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Or at least remove the pull. Buff the damage, I don't care. But remove the pull.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the pull, but when you combine it with laggy servers, it's devastating. Console lag is way worse than PC lag (if you can imagine that.)
I don't know about other servers, but on PS EU, everyone and their mother is using it in battlegrounds and Cyrodiil. It was fun in the beginning, but it isn't fun anymore.
We had a way to deal with zergs and ball groups. It was called bombing, and it worked great (until proxy detonation got over-tuned, but that's fixed now.) That was before you decided to completely ruin Mechanical Acuity for everyone. You could have changed it so that only AoE's had a guaranteed crit for 5 seconds. Even if you left it the way it was, the short TTK wasn't because the set was too powerful. It was because of people running around with 20k health and no resistances. Players who know what they're doing in PvP don't really have a problem dealing with gankers or jabplars.
Please revisit this set and your recent changes.
There's nothing inherently wrong with the pull, but when you combine it with laggy servers, it's devastating. Console lag is way worse than PC lag (if you can imagine that.)
I don't know about other servers, but on PS EU, everyone and their mother is using it in battlegrounds and Cyrodiil. It was fun in the beginning, but it isn't fun anymore.
We had a way to deal with zergs and ball groups. It was called bombing, and it worked great (until proxy detonation got over-tuned, but that's fixed now.) That was before you decided to completely ruin Mechanical Acuity for everyone. You could have changed it so that only AoE's had a guaranteed crit for 5 seconds. Even if you left it the way it was, the short TTK wasn't because the set was too powerful. It was because of people running around with 20k health and no resistances. Players who know what they're doing in PvP don't really have a problem dealing with gankers or jabplars.
Please revisit this set and your recent changes.
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xeNNNNN✭✭✭✭✭
✭I think it should be completely (and I do mean completely) reworked not removed.
That said I completely feel your pain, while manageable on PC as well its still after the nerfs completely and utterly horrible. In all my years since beta, I have NEVER been more frustrated with a set than I am with that bloody pull.
I've died more while being pulled and never died from the damage lmao and that was before the nerf to the damage.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.3 -
Lauranae✭✭✭✭✭whats bother me is the fact that
- I am in the keep, on the upper platform and attacks those below attacking the front door and suddenly i am dead on the ground in middle of them : if they can pull me down through floor this is not correct
- i am in the keep, near a wall, and it appears that someone fighting outside of the wall is using convergence to fight opponents, it still pull me through the wall of the keep. Then again its not correct
But as it seems that the devs find this correct, i find a final solution : i do not go to cyrodill anymoreMy most recent charactersAD - Chjara NB-7 -
AJones43865✭✭✭✭There should be no free pull mechanic in any video game. Displacing another players position in game should cost resources and have to be aimed. Displacing another player in game should require a skill, and it absolutely should be costly in terms of resources. The free pull that doesn't even have to be aimed is a god mode mechanic.8
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NerfSeige✭✭✭✭AGAIN, please don’t remove the pull, make it like bahsei that only works on non-players only.Avid reader of wes’-pts-diary[RIP]
NerfAS and Shill ruins everything
Skinny-meta-fake, graded D, and can’t explain the law of diminishing marginal returns.
I won’t post that Wes, I’ll get [snipped] for the last time
Revert this patch - Audens, 202211 -
DestroyerPewnack✭✭✭✭JJOtterBear wrote: »adapt and overcome
There's no adapting to lag. Everyone knows what they need to do to survive Dark Convergence. But the game won't let you do it, because of lag.AJones43865 wrote: »There should be no free pull mechanic in any video game. Displacing another players position in game should cost resources and have to be aimed. Displacing another player in game should require a skill, and it absolutely should be costly in terms of resources. The free pull that doesn't even have to be aimed is a god mode mechanic.
I couldn't agree more. There are people using AoE's inside the lava in that one battlegrounds map to pull players into it. In what world is that okay?AGAIN, please don’t remove the pull, make it like bahsei that only works on non-players only.
Yes! I've seen people using it in PvE, and it looks really good for trash fights. If your suggestion is possible, it would probably be the best change the devs can make. But if yours isn't possible, and mine isn't possible, then for the love of god, just delete the set from the game!4 -
Indigogo✭✭✭✭✭AGAIN, please don’t remove the pull, make it like bahsei that only works on non-players only.
All for it being reworked to be balanced for pve only, removed from rewards of the worthy and put in a new trial. It's too overpowered for anything less. It should never have been a purchasable set. Even though I've made a small fortune off it... 😅2 -
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✭✭I've faced off against the nerfed version of dark convergence in Cyrodiil and BGs. IMO it is currently fine as is.
Before the nerf I would randomly die to it at times and now it is fairly easy to counter. The second pull was a killer so that alone was a great nerf and the damage scaling is better so that it can properly serve as a zerg buster instead of something that does crazy damage even on just 1 player.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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techyeshic✭✭✭✭✭I have to somewhat agree that it is OK-ish now. Still annoying that it can pull off walls but its not overbearing in a fight. Its something I feel will see its use greatly reduced as it no longer really gives a cheap kill from overwhelming numbers of them.1
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Mrtoobyy✭✭✭✭It is alot better after the changes but I really wouldn't complain if they were to remove it. I have never wore it nor sold/gave it to someone. It's like a disease and diseases need to be "deconstructed"0 -
Rebirthment✭✭✭✭Not really an issue anymore. The pull on top of walls/outposts is still annoying at times though haven't noticed it lately but overall it is much better to deal with now.0 -
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✭✭Give it a different effect in place of the pull for PVP and make the pull only apply to NPC enemies.1 -
Hamfast✭✭✭✭✭Any set gained in Cyrodiil, IC or via battle Grounds should affect players, they are PvP sets and should work in PvP. If it also works in PvE, fine, but they should always work in PvP.
I would point out that many sets found in Trials have things that only work in trials, they are trial sets... the same needs to apply in PvP.Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭techyeshic wrote: »I have to somewhat agree that it is OK-ish now. Still annoying that it can pull off walls but its not overbearing in a fight. Its something I feel will see its use greatly reduced as it no longer really gives a cheap kill from overwhelming numbers of them.
That is the only thing that bothers me now. I wouldn't mind if it were just AoE up there but yanking off the wall seems wrong. Since the change I have only seen it yank players from Bleakers and Nichols. Does it still do it from keep walls also?
What really bites is when you get yanked to the edge and get stuck. You basically just stay there helpless until the enemy finally kills you. At least when you get yanked to the bottom you get one roll dodge in before dying.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Give it a different effect in place of the pull for PVP and make the pull only apply to NPC enemies.
I'd be more inclined to take the pull away from working on NPCs than take it away from working on players. It was designed to combat groups of players.
Right now it isn't to bad in Cyrodiil other than the yank off wall thing. Haven't played battlegrounds since the change because of other issues.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0
