Charged trait to favor DKs only !

WeylandLabs

Seems charged doesn't proc the status effect from shock / boundless storm.

Really sad...

Chilly-McFreeze

Stx wrote: »

Charged staff with force shock spammable is great for any class in pvp, I switched to this on my magplar. 78% chance per force shock to apply burning dot, 5% damage taken, 5% reduced damage done, and a nasty snare from chilled, plus minor brittle.

But brittle only procs when chilled is applied while wielding a frost staff, right? Do you think it's worth it over using a flame staff?

Chilly-McFreeze

Vevvev wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

What buffs? Sorc class has least amount of them no?

Dk got stagger, engulfing, group weapon and spell damage

DK offers minor brutality , Major brutality, Stagger, engulfing and sorcery.

Sorcs offers minor intellect, major berserk, minor prophecy, minor invulnerability (through shock). Plus Sorcs already do the highest damage, have long range while DK has to be in melee range, self buffs that give major brutality and sorcery for Sorcs. They also have health and damage passives along with 1 Mini execute ( Twilight Pet ) and a actual execute. Also theres already videos from YouTubers such as Nefas and SkinnyCheeks that test this and Charge trait works very well with all classes not just DK. Other players on PC are also reporting the same thing so this thread is answered already. No need for the other people to complaining anymore since every class benefits from this

Wrong on so many levels.

Then explain why it is, please?

I was aiming for the first part of the statement where he compares the buffs available to both classes. Easy to read up upon yourself. But if you wish:
- maj berserk doesn't work for the owner of the atronach, only for the synergy user
- minor vulnerability isn't class inherent, it's like including burning/ poisoned on the pro side for DKs
- bringing maj sorc/brut buff to the table is irrelevant as DKs have such a skill themselves + group benefit
- twilight isn't even an execute to begin with
- if the would have an honest comparison he wouldn't leave out so much on the DK side

Honestly, I don't get this *** comparison thingy to begin with. But anyway:

The bottom part (about charged) is of course correct. Should have worded it more clearly.

YandereGirlfriend

Huh? It's an AoE DoT so it begins with a 1% base chance per tick of damage. If you're using a 2H Charged weapon then that number is only getting increased to 100% + 480+ = 580% * 0.01 = 5.8% per tick of damage. That isn't very high. If you're only fighting against a single target then you will only rarely see it proc but it will activate more often if you're within a pack of enemies.

Every class benefits from the change, it is perhaps my most favorite change of the entire patch. And I play A LOT of classes.

AinSoph

Charged/Nirn is literally the meta for any character using DW and mag users can use two daggers very well with LA's scaling off of max offensive resource, also just because DK's have a passive that gives them back resources on burning proc (which has an internal cd of 0.5s) doesn't mean other classes cant benefit from essentially double status chance.

WeylandLabs

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Huh? It's an AoE DoT so it begins with a 1% base chance per tick of damage. If you're using a 2H Charged weapon then that number is only getting increased to 100% + 480+ = 580% * 0.01 = 5.8% per tick of damage. That isn't very high. If you're only fighting against a single target then you will only rarely see it proc but it will activate more often if you're within a pack of enemies.

Every class benefits from the change, it is perhaps my most favorite change of the entire patch. And I play A LOT of classes.

I stood next to a test dummy, an NPC, and an enemy player for 20 min. With Charged backbar spamming boundless and it didn't proc MV once.

Even went to a mob * nothing on them also... I don't care about the damage I want the debuff.

YandereGirlfriend

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Huh? It's an AoE DoT so it begins with a 1% base chance per tick of damage. If you're using a 2H Charged weapon then that number is only getting increased to 100% + 480+ = 580% * 0.01 = 5.8% per tick of damage. That isn't very high. If you're only fighting against a single target then you will only rarely see it proc but it will activate more often if you're within a pack of enemies.

Every class benefits from the change, it is perhaps my most favorite change of the entire patch. And I play A LOT of classes.

I stood next to a test dummy, an NPC, and an enemy player for 20 min. With Charged backbar spamming boundless and it didn't proc MV once.

Even went to a mob * nothing on them also... I don't care about the damage I want the debuff.

Were you bar-swapping? Because Charged only works if it's your active bar.

Otherwise, it sounds like a bug. I reported a bug with the status effect chance for DK's Volatile Armor but I haven't been able to test it yet to see if they fixed it in time for the patch.

In either case, your post title was pretty hyperbolic relative to the actual issue at-hand, which seems to be a bug (or simply extremely poor RNG). It's not like the developers sat down and said, "Yeah, let's just not have this work with any Sorc skills."

WeylandLabs

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Huh? It's an AoE DoT so it begins with a 1% base chance per tick of damage. If you're using a 2H Charged weapon then that number is only getting increased to 100% + 480+ = 580% * 0.01 = 5.8% per tick of damage. That isn't very high. If you're only fighting against a single target then you will only rarely see it proc but it will activate more often if you're within a pack of enemies.

Every class benefits from the change, it is perhaps my most favorite change of the entire patch. And I play A LOT of classes.

I stood next to a test dummy, an NPC, and an enemy player for 20 min. With Charged backbar spamming boundless and it didn't proc MV once.

Even went to a mob * nothing on them also... I don't care about the damage I want the debuff.

Were you bar-swapping? Because Charged only works if it's your active bar.

Otherwise, it sounds like a bug. I reported a bug with the status effect chance for DK's Volatile Armor but I haven't been able to test it yet to see if they fixed it in time for the patch.

In either case, your post title was pretty hyperbolic relative to the actual issue at-hand, which seems to be a bug (or simply extremely poor RNG). It's not like the developers sat down and said, "Yeah, let's just not have this work with any Sorc skills."

Nope boundless back bar active /w charged.

WeylandLabs

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Huh? It's an AoE DoT so it begins with a 1% base chance per tick of damage. If you're using a 2H Charged weapon then that number is only getting increased to 100% + 480+ = 580% * 0.01 = 5.8% per tick of damage. That isn't very high. If you're only fighting against a single target then you will only rarely see it proc but it will activate more often if you're within a pack of enemies.

Every class benefits from the change, it is perhaps my most favorite change of the entire patch. And I play A LOT of classes.

I stood next to a test dummy, an NPC, and an enemy player for 20 min. With Charged backbar spamming boundless and it didn't proc MV once.

Even went to a mob * nothing on them also... I don't care about the damage I want the debuff.

Were you bar-swapping? Because Charged only works if it's your active bar.

Otherwise, it sounds like a bug. I reported a bug with the status effect chance for DK's Volatile Armor but I haven't been able to test it yet to see if they fixed it in time for the patch.

In either case, your post title was pretty hyperbolic relative to the actual issue at-hand, which seems to be a bug (or simply extremely poor RNG). It's not like the developers sat down and said, "Yeah, let's just not have this work with any Sorc skills."

Nope boundless back bar active /w charged.

Also who knows there has been a trend of bias toward classes and races in the past.

So I'm just stating the obvious don't kill the messenger.

Malphaes

So for this patch it's better to use dag charged/nirm, it's not better to use sword for DK ?

Nirntrotter

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

mmtaniac

Charged work on all classes i use bow backbar on stamplar with charged to proc poison and disease effect + alchemy posions on one cast poison injection but if you change weapon from back bar to main bar you lost that charged effect and proc have only 20% chance again not 96% so boundless storm have less chance to proc shock effect.

Bl4ckR3alm93

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

Wing

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

sure would be nice if we got flavor and depth like that huh . .

FeedbackOnly

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Seems charged doesn't proc the status effect from shock / boundless storm.

Really sad...

It's really ridiculous that the class with skill line has worst chance to proc status effect for shock, then Nb, warden, and even Necro!

Vevvev

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Seems charged doesn't proc the status effect from shock / boundless storm.

Really sad...

It's really ridiculous that the class with skill line has worst chance to proc status effect for shock, then Nb, warden, and even Necro!

They could use the Destruction staff spammable for that and then get the ice and fire ones on top of the shock. They could also use lightning glyphs which have a pretty high chance as well.


Weapon enchantment's damage 20% base chance
Single-target direct attack ability 10% base chance
Area-of-effect abilities 5% base chance
Single-target damage-over-time abilities 3% base chance
Area-of-effect damage-over-time abilities 1% base chance
Light or Heavy attack 0% base chance

Stx

Charged staff with force shock spammable is great for any class in pvp, I switched to this on my magplar. 78% chance per force shock to apply burning dot, 5% damage taken, 5% reduced damage done, and a nasty snare from chilled, plus minor brittle.

FeedbackOnly

Stx wrote: »

Charged staff with force shock spammable is great for any class in pvp, I switched to this on my magplar. 78% chance per force shock to apply burning dot, 5% damage taken, 5% reduced damage done, and a nasty snare from chilled, plus minor brittle.

How did you get that math?

10 (1+ 640) = 64.1 chance

480 for charged
100 for destro
60 from cp

FeedbackOnly

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

What buffs? Sorc class has least amount of them no?

Dk got stagger, engulfing, group weapon and spell damage

Bl4ckR3alm93

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

What buffs? Sorc class has least amount of them no?

Dk got stagger, engulfing, group weapon and spell damage

DK offers minor brutality , Major brutality, Stagger, engulfing and sorcery.

Sorcs offers minor intellect, major berserk, minor prophecy, minor invulnerability (through shock). Plus Sorcs already do the highest damage, have long range while DK has to be in melee range, self buffs that give major brutality and sorcery for Sorcs. They also have health and damage passives along with 1 Mini execute ( Twilight Pet ) and a actual execute. Also theres already videos from YouTubers such as Nefas and SkinnyCheeks that test this and Charge trait works very well with all classes not just DK. Other players on PC are also reporting the same thing so this thread is answered already. No need for the other people to complaining anymore since every class benefits from this

Chilly-McFreeze

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

What buffs? Sorc class has least amount of them no?

Dk got stagger, engulfing, group weapon and spell damage

DK offers minor brutality , Major brutality, Stagger, engulfing and sorcery.

Sorcs offers minor intellect, major berserk, minor prophecy, minor invulnerability (through shock). Plus Sorcs already do the highest damage, have long range while DK has to be in melee range, self buffs that give major brutality and sorcery for Sorcs. They also have health and damage passives along with 1 Mini execute ( Twilight Pet ) and a actual execute. Also theres already videos from YouTubers such as Nefas and SkinnyCheeks that test this and Charge trait works very well with all classes not just DK. Other players on PC are also reporting the same thing so this thread is answered already. No need for the other people to complaining anymore since every class benefits from this

Wrong on so many levels.

E: edited quote for making things clearer

Vevvev

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

FeedbackOnly wrote: »

Bl4ckR3alm93 wrote: »

Nirntrotter wrote: »

This sort of class flavour should be more prevalent for all classes imho.

Well Sorcs get more buffs and a execute compared to Dragonknight so I dont see the problem. Every class has unique trait that makes them stand out compared to other classes and Dragonknights is DoTs and Status. Plus Sorcs are already the highest dealing damage class still after this patch

What buffs? Sorc class has least amount of them no?

Dk got stagger, engulfing, group weapon and spell damage

DK offers minor brutality , Major brutality, Stagger, engulfing and sorcery.

Sorcs offers minor intellect, major berserk, minor prophecy, minor invulnerability (through shock). Plus Sorcs already do the highest damage, have long range while DK has to be in melee range, self buffs that give major brutality and sorcery for Sorcs. They also have health and damage passives along with 1 Mini execute ( Twilight Pet ) and a actual execute. Also theres already videos from YouTubers such as Nefas and SkinnyCheeks that test this and Charge trait works very well with all classes not just DK. Other players on PC are also reporting the same thing so this thread is answered already. No need for the other people to complaining anymore since every class benefits from this

Wrong on so many levels.

Then explain why it is, please?