spartaxoxo wrote: »Now my account does have high cp and I doubt I could have done this on a completely fresh account. So a new player definitely should get a group!
I wonder, it it was your first character, and only account. I have seen many low level characters being way stronger than their high level peers, but in most times, player either migrated from other server, where they already had experienced veteran character, or it was player leveling an alt after being really good already. If it is absolute newbie of level 24, they typically lack situational awarness, and unable to move as efficent as players who regularly clear vet trials. While this post is a good example of what could be achieved, I doubt real newbie player could clear it solo.
huntgod_ESO wrote: »If you have time to throw at it, it's very soloable, but it takes a lot longer than it needs to and aside from doing it once to just do it, the time investment isn't really worth the reward.
If they'd tied an achievement to this or offered a better reward, then maybe I'd keep doing it.
Also you can go in with a full trial group, so 12 folks...they really should have instanced this like they did Deadlands. For most players this is going to be a frustrating fight solo and if you aren't grouped BEFORE you go in, you can't group up after.
Considering the OP has already stated that they are high CP, I fail to see how being low level really matters? Unless I missed something here, they have not said that CPs were not assigned? But for reference, I think you missed this point I made:@Troodon80 you missed the point here. This thread is about low-level chars not veteran chars with access to perfect gear. While your general advice is true, the spicy thing about this enounter is towards the end where your room is almost flooded with adds and slowing effects and what not. You basically skip all of that due to the damage you can output.
The person did it in Julianos and Ancient Dragonguard and two piece from staves (Prophet staves). Mostly purple but with white jewellery. I crafted it for them but did not accompany them, I was helping via Discord screenshare. 247 CP casual player who rarely logs on outside of events. The advice does not consider the damage output as you need very little to prevent the room from being overrun.I also walked a friend of mine with only around 250 CP through this fight.
Couldn't agree more. The NPC dialogue, for example, didn't even hint at it being a potential group activity. Some other people I've seen who are not even CP are flailing around and dying on this fight because they are not aware that it is something you can do as a group.spartaxoxo wrote: »You can exit and get a group to help you. I do think they should a better job communicating that a group may be advantageous.
I asked them if they would be kind enough to go through it again. Here's a low level magsorc. Messy. Room gets swarmed because I told them to focus only on the boss, yet still diverted attention occasionally. Still only 247 CP. Only two CP stars assigned in blue and red. Perhaps this is sufficient so far as OP's topic goes to make the point that I've already made?Considering the OP has already stated that they are high CP, I fail to see how being low level really matters? Unless I missed something here, they have not said that CPs were not assigned? But for reference, I think you missed this point I made:@Troodon80 you missed the point here. This thread is about low-level chars not veteran chars with access to perfect gear. While your general advice is true, the spicy thing about this enounter is towards the end where your room is almost flooded with adds and slowing effects and what not. You basically skip all of that due to the damage you can output.The person did it in Julianos and Ancient Dragonguard and two piece from staves (Prophet staves). Mostly purple but with white jewellery. I crafted it for them but did not accompany them, I was helping via Discord screenshare. 247 CP casual player who rarely logs on outside of events. The advice does not consider the damage output as you need very little to prevent the room from being overrun.I also walked a friend of mine with only around 250 CP through this fight.
I just want to add to this, by the way. Anyone saying that this fight requires high CP is categorically incorrect. This isn't a veteran trial. It's not Godslayer or Planesbreaker. As you can see in this video, CP played a very minor role. Knowledge is what matters here. This fight time was still under 6 minutes with 247 CP (not even 250 CP) at level 41 with level 24 gear. With some relatively small optimisations, this fight time would be much less.spartaxoxo wrote: »This is why I stated this post is not really meant for low level, new players. I saw a lot of posts from players that were high CP but more casual that insisted you needed to be vet gear, antiquities, etc to solo it. And so I wanted to clear that misconception by doing this on a character that has a relatively low power level and more akin to what they are working with power wise.
@Kessra @TandorI asked them if they would be kinda enough to go through it again. Here's a low level magsorc. Messy. Room gets swarmed because I told them to focus only on the boss, yet still diverted attention occasionally. Still only 247 CP. Only two CP stars assigned in blue and red. Perhaps this is sufficient so far as OP's topic goes to make the point that I've already made?Considering the OP has already stated that they are high CP, I fail to see how being low level really matters? Unless I missed something here, they have not said that CPs were not assigned? But for reference, I think you missed this point I made:@Troodon80 you missed the point here. This thread is about low-level chars not veteran chars with access to perfect gear. While your general advice is true, the spicy thing about this enounter is towards the end where your room is almost flooded with adds and slowing effects and what not. You basically skip all of that due to the damage you can output.The person did it in Julianos and Ancient Dragonguard and two piece from staves (Prophet staves). Mostly purple but with white jewellery. I crafted it for them but did not accompany them, I was helping via Discord screenshare. 247 CP casual player who rarely logs on outside of events. The advice does not consider the damage output as you need very little to prevent the room from being overrun.I also walked a friend of mine with only around 250 CP through this fight.https://youtu.be/Mqy1AXBhtMU
Again, a few issues here. The build, if one could call it that, "worked," but I'm all for optimising within what is available.Few basic things to make note of:
- Underlevelled gear (gear is level 24 versus character level 41, the gear was not intended for this character; level 40 gear would have helped here, but it didn't matter in the end)
- Mostly training gear
- It's far from "perfect." If I wanted to optimise for this one boss, I would have crafted a new set of level 40 in divines, front bar a precise weapon, etc. maybe even attempted nMA for an inferno staff to be proper try-hard, but again not necessary and wasn't done
- Lightning staff back bar isn't ideal, but serves to help with adds in a small way
- Lack of CP means losing quite a bit of damage, though not an issue as DPS isn't really a significant requirement here
- Using The Lover mundus because of lack of crit from anything else, and lack of penetration at low level (destro staff and light armour passives missing)/CP
- Most of the skills are not fully levelled and Surge wasn't even morphed
- If I wanted a completely smooth run for them, I would have told them to prioritise the gravestones more (you can see that a single light attack+frag is enough to kill it, that's around 15k total health) or use Boundless Storm to help with AoE damage on adds, but this was more proof that getting overrun is largely meaningless and, later in the fight, you'll actually spend more time trying to destroy gravestones while still getting overrun than doing damage to the boss itself
You can brute force this even with low level and low CP.
- Don't stand in nasty
- You can see that dodge was used frequently, either when I said to or when an otherwise obvious danger was present, sometimes even pre-emptively and incorrectly; crown tri-stat food was used here because it's free and available from login rewards: bonus stamina for more dodges; if you're playing stamina, watch you sustain
- Make sure everything else stands in your nasty; whatever AoEs you have, feel free to use them and try to make sure stuff stays in them -- make note that Unstable Wall (morph) can be used as an AoE spammable, the Wall explodes every time you recast it
- Even if you kite the mobs a bit (in this case it was more to get a clear view of the boss), try to keep the boss in a somewhat stable position
- It will fly at its target occasionally; nothing you can do about that, just hope it comes back to your AoEs otherwise replace them on the new position
- Archers don't do anything really meaningful here, nothing like Taking Aim, and so can be mostly ignored
- Even if you do want to prioritise gravestones, do not go melee; use ranged abilities here: Force Pulse, Frags, Injection, Hidden Blade, Soul Trap, etc.
- Slot a shield if necessary (Sorc shield used here but wasn't necessary, though Force Pulse would have been better for cleave damage; Brawler on stamina works wonders here given how many enemies you can hit)
- Slot a heal if necessary (Surge was used here; Vigor on stamina is great)
- Use Pale Order if you think it will help and have access to the DLC for it (no mythic items were used here, obviously, nor does this apply to low levels)
I just want to add to this, by the way. Anyone saying that this fight requires high CP is categorically incorrect. This isn't a veteran trial. It's not Godslayer or Planesbreaker. As you can see in this video, CP played a very minor role. Knowledge is what matters here. This fight time was still under 6 minutes with 247 CP (not even 250 CP) at level 41 with level 24 gear. With some relatively small optimisations, this fight time would be much less.spartaxoxo wrote: »This is why I stated this post is not really meant for low level, new players. I saw a lot of posts from players that were high CP but more casual that insisted you needed to be vet gear, antiquities, etc to solo it. And so I wanted to clear that misconception by doing this on a character that has a relatively low power level and more akin to what they are working with power wise.
Like I showed earlier, a full trial setup should have no trouble doing this easily in under 2 minutes. Faster if you go in with ultimate, etc. The post you quoted was from a CP ~250. Not in any way optimised. Could probably get to 3-4 minutes with the optimisations I suggested. After all that is done, CP would be the last limiting factor. But the point wasn't for speed, the point was to show relative ease at low levels despite people saying you have to be high CP to solo it. You absolutely do not. Nor do you need insanely high DPS.It takes me around 3 minutes. Timed it this morning. And that is running a lower damage solo build. A full trial setup could push this quicker.