Is your ESO character just dumb?

Fennwitty

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

It's quite sad how utterly basic the things are that sometimes come out of the Vestige's mouth. Completed Blackwood and stuck your thumb in the eye of the Prince of Destruction? Stroll into the Deadlands prologue and be like, "Who is Mehrunes Dagon?"

Oh I know! It's the Daedric Prince that was plotting to take over the world, completely underestimated you, and who you defeated!

In uh ... Vvardenfell remember? No that's not right. Summerset? No I don't think so ... Maybe the one from the base game?

Somehow that seems wrong too.

What were we talking about?

JobooAGS

Perhaps the vestige is trolling I guess?

Gleitfrosch

My theroy:

our body left Coldharbour but our mind did not.

Nanfoodle

This is only a problem for someone who knows the lore. You have to leave delve deeper questions like that for people new to the game. My wife never played a TES game and ESO was her introduction to ES. Its not dumb, its just helping new people.

Finedaible

Of course the more obvious questions about lore make sense in order to explain to newcomers about certain terms or aspects of lore they may not be aware of. The problem are the constant recaps or reminders that are so frequent right now that they come across as jarringly obnoxious and out-of-place when they literally explain an event you just witnessed. It doesn't feel natural or organic to the story. If a player leaves for such a long time that they cannot remember what was going on in the main quest, then the story was probably not that captivating to begin with.

VaranisArano

Nanfoodle wrote: »

This is only a problem for someone who knows the lore. You have to leave delve deeper questions like that for people new to the game. My wife never played a TES game and ESO was her introduction to ES. Its not dumb, its just helping new people.

An easy solution is to move the obviously explanatory information to optional dialogue choices.

A less easy option is to better distinguish between what content characters have done before or what race those characters are and change some dialogue to optional for those characters accordingly.

For example: My Dunmer main, Varanis Arano has already saved Deshaan from a plague. That quest involved doing the trials and receiving the blessing of Almalexia, Sotha Sil, and Vivec at the Mournhold Temple. She was named a Hand of Almalexia by the Tribune herself in reward for her heroic deeds.

There is absolutely no reason why Varanis should have landed on the shores of Vvardenfell and promptly had to ask, "What's a Tribunal?" Or even stuff like "Who's Azura?" No offense, quest writers, but I've helped her out a couple times in the DC and AD questlines too!


I'm all for new players getting the info they need to make sense of an amazing, but sometimes confusing world. But as a player who does know the lore playing a character who's already done more than enough content to know who the Tribunal is, it's pretty jarring to have to ask questions that don't take that into account.

ectoplasmicninja

VaranisArano wrote: »

An easy solution is to move the obviously explanatory information to optional dialogue choices.

This, and also perhaps rephrasing a lot of the exposition prompts. Instead of "What's the Tribunal?" we could just say "Tell me more about the Tribunal" and that simple change could make us sound like we're open to more knowledge than we possess instead of revealing that we are a permanent amnesiac.

noblecron

I dont' think my character is stupid, I just think it's the writers but I also RP my character saying something different in my head and their responses different.

With that said, I am of the belief that the Vestige is a native born citizen of the Imperial City with no prior knowledge of his or her race. Further more, the vestige was reformed from voriplasm, who's to say they didn't reform from a different race?

Julia_Nix

I think fighting all those Daedric Princes left our characters with brain damage.

barney2525

They must be.

Otherwise, why would Varen explain everything ... and then Lyris explain the exact same thing .... and then Tharn explain the exact same thing ....

and when I go to Summerset I forgot all about who Raz was and that I am an eye of the Queen...

MasterSpatula

Any character I did the entire Kerbal's Hollow story in Bangkoria on is, by definition, a bit of an idiot.

Gleitfrosch

We fought deadric princes, stopped world ending events, survived the most dangerous encounters.

Do you think we are being abused by the npcs? Maybe they recognized how dumb we are and how easy it is to manipulate us to do all that things?

It is like:
Npc: the world is ending, everyone will die and the enemy is too strong, even for the mightiest armies. Btw. You have to fight him... alone.

Me: M'Kay (draws sword and attacks)

NotaDaedraWorshipper

noblecron wrote: »

With that said, I am of the belief that the Vestige is a native born citizen of the Imperial City with no prior knowledge of his or her race. Further more, the vestige was reformed from voriplasm, who's to say they didn't reform from a different race?

Doesn't work beceause they know nothing of imperials, Cyrodiil, and the Imperial City either. And the vestige is not reformed from voriplasm, that's a slime. After they got sacrificied, became an unflawed soul shriven and that whole ordeal, the Vestige is made out of Chaotic Creteria, like daedra are.

RD065

Talking to Madam Whim in Fargrave.. One of my responses were "who is Sister Celdina." I just spoke to her in the prologue, seriously. And the Wood Elf in Blackwood, seems to have to explain everything to me like I'm an idiot. And apparently I keep forgetting I know who Dremora Lyranth is.

Muttsmutt

username makes it all the more hilarious.

alas, there's little room for true roleplaying in a persistent mmo world.
or, rather, the development effort necessary is beyond what ZOS decided to invest.
it's a lot of effort for small (but arguably, impactful) changes.

colossalvoids

"What is an Ordinator" asked a hero of Vvardenfell and Mournhold, who helped The Mage himself and spends most of his time in Vivec city. What they're indeed.

Adremal

Saxhleel wrote: »

I don't know if I should roleplay as an Argonian born with 1/4 of a brain because this is ridiculous. The previous question was literally "What are the Hist?"

There are probably worse things for other races like a Nord asking who Kyne is.

Most of my characters are Argonians, including my main, so I feel your pain - though other races occasionally get to ask equally absurd questions, and some aren't race-specific as @Remathilis mentioned.
I worked around the whole "immersion breaking" thing when I decided to make my main a clinically insane drunkard (the drunken personality really helps with all that hysterical giggling) with memory issues, among the other things.
As to my alts, I don't really get that much in character with them - when I do and I stumble upon such a scenario my brain just ignores it. Years of immersing myself in MMOs were instrumental in training my brain to ignore immersion-breaking things, either caused by the game itself or, more often, by other players.

Mik195

DP99 wrote: »

It's partially for new players to explain lore, but it's also partially to give recaps of what is going on if you haven't played in a while and you forgot what the storyline is. The problem is that most people don't do that, they don't quit playing for a while and then come back at a later date, they play through the story in several hours or a few days, so unless they really are that forgetful in real life, they probably aren't going to need those recaps.

I wish the NPCs had the same option like in Elden Hollow "Did you really see Endania(?) rise..." Um, maybe but I have no idea who that is. "You helped the Deepcrag miners" Yay for me! Now which ones are they again?

Kadraeus

First noticed this in Markarth lol.

I did the Ravenwatch questline and Greymoor, but even still I was hit with the implication that my character couldn't remember who the Gray Host were. It was also weird coming straight from the prologue where you help the Ravenwatch and then at the start of the quest you speak to Verandis, who at first acts like he's never seen you before until a few lines in.

Remathilis

ectoplasmicninja wrote: »

I got all the way through the Rivenspire plotline and not once could I remark that I was also a vampire. Nor did anyone notice. Instead I had to all but clutch my pearls when I saw the Ravenwatch feeding on their Dunmer manservant.

I thought that was a holdover from pre One Tamriel, where you couldn't be a vampire before going to Bankorai which is two zones later.

That said, they could have fixed that easily when they redid Verandis's voice in Markarth or done a far better job of acknowledging it in Greymoor, but that's a different problem.