I am sick of Dark Convergence

precambria

It is possibly one of the most out of touch game design choices I have ever seen, the only actually rational explanation is they made that set in order to punish PvPers for all the complaining we do and asking them to y'know fix the game to a degree they would not have to even consider if pvp did not exist.

It is strictly ANTI user, it's there to make the game less fun to play, you know what people really love, not being able to do anything about incredibly annoying things that are thrust on them without consent. It's not even that it is "overpowered" the unstable affliction set is more OP from that standpoint, it is just so amazingly toxic it's hard to believe they could have
A: tested it
B: tested it and said this is fine
C: tested it, said this is fine a fine way to punish people for Pvping still
designed it with the intention of creating a enjoyable experience

Flangdoodle

Just make it cost 50% health to cast, and make the person casting it glow for one second. Problem solved. You're welcome.

lexicondevil99

Flangdoodle wrote: »

Just make it cost 50% health to cast, and make the person casting it glow for one second. Problem solved. You're welcome.

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kuschlwuschl116

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

It's because of the trouble trio(Convergence, Pre-nerf Hrothgar, Plaguebreak) among other things. The timing of the release of these sets and other factors just led to people not wanting to go into cyro. I know I geared all my toons for no cp and just played no cp no proc campaign cause I already saw the procalypse coming. I already prefer no proc gameplay but when I saw these sets in pts that pretty much gave me reason to leave CP campaigns

I just wish the no CP camp wouldn´t be so damn tanky. It´s not the fast action it was a year ago.

MEBengalsFan2001

Jokesonyou wrote: »

There is no way to balance this set without some sort of crazy specific rules for it.. it's the same thing every time I log in.. groups of 3, 4, 5 necros running a ton of heals all ball up and drop their DC at the same time, drop an ulti, and smash their grave robber.. you get snatched across the map even tho you were outside of the circle on the ground and you drop from full health to dead before you could even roll dodge.. death recap is just 60k worth of graverobber, colossus, and DC from 3 different names

GET RID OF DARK CONVERGENCE!! PVP IS BASICALLY UNPLAYABLE

Right now the issue is DC. Next mod it will be Bashcro and the mod after it will be something else.

PVP can't be fixed with any sets or abilities. PVP should be about skill not simply abuse of ability or gear. Every MMO game I have played if gear isn't breaking PVP its a class or an ability or a combination of gear, class and ability.

Fixing PVP would require a full revamp of all classes, gear, and other abilities. I don't see that happening after 7 years.

LarsS

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Jokesonyou wrote: »

There is no way to balance this set without some sort of crazy specific rules for it.. it's the same thing every time I log in.. groups of 3, 4, 5 necros running a ton of heals all ball up and drop their DC at the same time, drop an ulti, and smash their grave robber.. you get snatched across the map even tho you were outside of the circle on the ground and you drop from full health to dead before you could even roll dodge.. death recap is just 60k worth of graverobber, colossus, and DC from 3 different names

GET RID OF DARK CONVERGENCE!! PVP IS BASICALLY UNPLAYABLE

Right now the issue is DC. Next mod it will be Bashcro and the mod after it will be something else.

PVP can't be fixed with any sets or abilities. PVP should be about skill not simply abuse of ability or gear. Every MMO game I have played if gear isn't breaking PVP its a class or an ability or a combination of gear, class and ability.

Fixing PVP would require a full revamp of all classes, gear, and other abilities. I don't see that happening after 7 years.

The closest you can come to that is non-proc non-cp on Ravenwatch, but it seems that most people prefere to complain.

EndOfGreen

This set is just a pure bug and the code had to be commented out right during any maintenance. The most frustrating thing is there are tons of complaints and zos just simply ignored it

MEBengalsFan2001

LarsS wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Jokesonyou wrote: »

There is no way to balance this set without some sort of crazy specific rules for it.. it's the same thing every time I log in.. groups of 3, 4, 5 necros running a ton of heals all ball up and drop their DC at the same time, drop an ulti, and smash their grave robber.. you get snatched across the map even tho you were outside of the circle on the ground and you drop from full health to dead before you could even roll dodge.. death recap is just 60k worth of graverobber, colossus, and DC from 3 different names

GET RID OF DARK CONVERGENCE!! PVP IS BASICALLY UNPLAYABLE

Right now the issue is DC. Next mod it will be Bashcro and the mod after it will be something else.

PVP can't be fixed with any sets or abilities. PVP should be about skill not simply abuse of ability or gear. Every MMO game I have played if gear isn't breaking PVP its a class or an ability or a combination of gear, class and ability.

Fixing PVP would require a full revamp of all classes, gear, and other abilities. I don't see that happening after 7 years.

The closest you can come to that is non-proc non-cp on Ravenwatch, but it seems that most people prefere to complain.

That's more like PVE when with a guild. It's not PVP either. I like GH when it's not like a pinball machine. I don't mind vicious death and other proc sets like Plaguebreak, etc... DC is just to powerful as a set with a fairly small cooldown window.

Mrtoobyy

EndOfGreen wrote: »

This set is just a pure bug and the code had to be commented out right during any maintenance. The most frustrating thing is there are tons of complaints and zos just simply ignored it

Yeah I haven't heard in game or seen so much negativity regarding ONE set since I started playing during BETA. I mean they must care a little to what their players think and feel? When I see this set during BG I feel like throwing up in my mouth. The sound, the color and the effect. It doesn't fit the game at all IMO, it's wrong in EVERY way.

Abstraqt

I agree

geonsocal

for so many years there have been so many comments here in our forums regarding how hard it is to kill other players in cyrodiil...

Every one is just so tanky and wearing heavy armor, playing as a stage 3 vamp, capping resistances, etc., etc.

convergence kills people, and it's not the damage doing it...it acts like an aoe gate type root/stun, whatever you call it...

it puts players in places they don't wanna be or haven't planned for...allows them to be separated from groups and be single out and eliminated...

also works great as a defensive tool, some maniac relentlessly coming at you with some huge battleaxe - drop the ball, pop a pot and roll away...

EndOfGreen

geonsocal wrote: »

for so many years there have been so many comments here in our forums regarding how hard it is to kill other players in cyrodiil...

Every one is just so tanky and wearing heavy armor, playing as a stage 3 vamp, capping resistances, etc., etc.

convergence kills people, and it's not the damage doing it...it acts like an aoe gate type root/stun, whatever you call it...

it puts players in places they don't wanna be or haven't planned for...allows them to be separated from groups and be single out and eliminated...

also works great as a defensive tool, some maniac relentlessly coming at you with some huge battleaxe - drop the ball, pop a pot and roll away...

Exactly, and this is too much for a set. Apparently, a [snip] dev applied *3 multiplier on its initial parameters

[edited for rude/insulting comment]

StarOfElyon

I can't describe how much I HATE this set!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I HATE IT

I HATE IT

I HATE IT

Joy_Division

geonsocal wrote: »

for so many years there have been so many comments here in our forums regarding how hard it is to kill other players in cyrodiil...

Every one is just so tanky and wearing heavy armor, playing as a stage 3 vamp, capping resistances, etc., etc.

convergence kills people, and it's not the damage doing it...it acts like an aoe gate type root/stun, whatever you call it...

it puts players in places they don't wanna be or haven't planned for...allows them to be separated from groups and be single out and eliminated...

also works great as a defensive tool, some maniac relentlessly coming at you with some huge battleaxe - drop the ball, pop a pot and roll away...

You are describing what it is that people hate about the set: removing people's ability to control their character, isolating tbem to be singled out and killed is the most frustrating experience that can happen. Ask anyone who has ever played with a sadistic DM / GM who pits players against monsters that have mind control, abduction, or very powerful grapple/incapacitate and they'll tell you such challenges should be rare and serve a story purpose, not to be used wily nily becuase the gameplay mechanics just aren't fun.

Yes, players should die. ESO is perhaps the first fantasy game I ever played in which any combatant playing any archetypal role can hit a single button and on command and at any time give them a potent heal, to say nothing of having multiple other heals over time insulate them from attacks. It's so easy not to die ZOS has in essence no choice but to be that sadistic gamemaster as it’s the only way to break a player's constant ability to continually heal themselves (or perpetually block, dodge, cloak, steak, or alternative means of allowing players to contonously avoid damage) and thus enable the player to die

Giraffon

I'm disappointed with the so called "nerf" to the set. I want the pull mechanic of this set removed from PVP. It breaks rotations completely and I'm forced stop everything I'm trying to do, use resources to dodge roll out of a still OP AOE while every enemy takes pot shots at me with their ultimates because I just joined the sitting duck club.

jaws343

LarsS wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Jokesonyou wrote: »

There is no way to balance this set without some sort of crazy specific rules for it.. it's the same thing every time I log in.. groups of 3, 4, 5 necros running a ton of heals all ball up and drop their DC at the same time, drop an ulti, and smash their grave robber.. you get snatched across the map even tho you were outside of the circle on the ground and you drop from full health to dead before you could even roll dodge.. death recap is just 60k worth of graverobber, colossus, and DC from 3 different names

GET RID OF DARK CONVERGENCE!! PVP IS BASICALLY UNPLAYABLE

Right now the issue is DC. Next mod it will be Bashcro and the mod after it will be something else.

PVP can't be fixed with any sets or abilities. PVP should be about skill not simply abuse of ability or gear. Every MMO game I have played if gear isn't breaking PVP its a class or an ability or a combination of gear, class and ability.

Fixing PVP would require a full revamp of all classes, gear, and other abilities. I don't see that happening after 7 years.

The closest you can come to that is non-proc non-cp on Ravenwatch, but it seems that most people prefere to complain.

I actually think last patch introducing some of these procs was an attempt to force people into the no-proc campaign. As it is a much easier mode to balance around with only stats and no cp, compared to the other campaign. PVP without any of the other nonsense. But players are stubborn.

Gilvoth

Giraffon wrote: »

I'm disappointed with the so called "nerf" to the set. I want the pull mechanic of this set removed from PVP. It breaks rotations completely and I'm forced stop everything I'm trying to do, use resources to dodge roll out of a still OP AOE while every enemy takes pot shots at me with their ultimates because I just joined the sitting duck club.

that is the Exact same thing i say about unblockable skills from the sorcerers and wardens now for over 8 Years.
(wardens only since they were created in morrowind)
I can't describe how much i Love this set.
this dark convergence set is the Best set eso has ever made, i pray nothing changes with it anyfurther.
the main point of this set was to stop zergs and huge groups and it works very Good.

as far as the complaints on this forum about this set:
the only people that dont like it are a very few and very Loud people on this forum.
are they all the zerg and huge group members? no, some are battle ground players, but what ever playstye they are from is not whats important (although it should be considered because it was intended to Stop zergs and huge Groups)
the rest of the players like myself and many others are just fine with it.
theres millions of players in eso, but here on forums we only see like what? 50 of them make comments here on forums?
it should be noted.
if want a true and accurate reading of all the players thoughts on an subject in eso, then need to send email to every players account with a questionaire.
not satire, not a joke, just honest feedback from a pvp player

McTaterskins

StarOfElyon wrote: »

[snip]

Pretty sure he's gonna die on that hill. lol.

[edited to remove quote]

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Gilvoth wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

I'm disappointed with the so called "nerf" to the set. I want the pull mechanic of this set removed from PVP. It breaks rotations completely and I'm forced stop everything I'm trying to do, use resources to dodge roll out of a still OP AOE while every enemy takes pot shots at me with their ultimates because I just joined the sitting duck club.

that is the Exact same thing i say about unblockable skills from the sorcerers and wardens now for over 8 Years.
(wardens only since they were created in morrowind)
I can't describe how much i Love this set.
this dark convergence set is the Best set eso has ever made, i pray nothing changes with it anyfurther.
the main point of this set was to stop zergs and huge groups and it works very Good.

as far as the complaints on this forum about this set:
the only people that dont like it are a very few and very Loud people on this forum.
are they all the zerg and huge group members? no, some are battle ground players, but what ever playstye they are from is not whats important (although it should be considered because it was intended to Stop zergs and huge Groups)
the rest of the players like myself and many others are just fine with it.
theres millions of players in eso, but here on forums we only see like what? 50 of them make comments here on forums?
it should be noted.
if want a true and accurate reading of all the players thoughts on an subject in eso, then need to send email to every players account with a questionaire.
not satire, not a joke, just honest feedback from a pvp player

Its not just loud people on the forums. People are constantly moaning about it in zone chat.

Urzigurumash

What do you think about the set @xxslam48xxb14_ESO ?

StarOfElyon

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

Giraffon wrote: »

I'm disappointed with the so called "nerf" to the set. I want the pull mechanic of this set removed from PVP. It breaks rotations completely and I'm forced stop everything I'm trying to do, use resources to dodge roll out of a still OP AOE while every enemy takes pot shots at me with their ultimates because I just joined the sitting duck club.

that is the Exact same thing i say about unblockable skills from the sorcerers and wardens now for over 8 Years.
(wardens only since they were created in morrowind)
I can't describe how much i Love this set.
this dark convergence set is the Best set eso has ever made, i pray nothing changes with it anyfurther.
the main point of this set was to stop zergs and huge groups and it works very Good.

as far as the complaints on this forum about this set:
the only people that dont like it are a very few and very Loud people on this forum.
are they all the zerg and huge group members? no, some are battle ground players, but what ever playstye they are from is not whats important (although it should be considered because it was intended to Stop zergs and huge Groups)
the rest of the players like myself and many others are just fine with it.
theres millions of players in eso, but here on forums we only see like what? 50 of them make comments here on forums?
it should be noted.
if want a true and accurate reading of all the players thoughts on an subject in eso, then need to send email to every players account with a questionaire.
not satire, not a joke, just honest feedback from a pvp player

Its not just loud people on the forums. People are constantly moaning about it in zone chat.

Not even just a few, the majority of people on the forums. And yes, in chat in the game too. The real minority are the people defending it because they need it (as they say themselves).

McTaterskins

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Its not just loud people on the forums. People are constantly moaning about it in zone chat.

I've seen "No DC Pls" quite a fair amount now in BG chats as well.

Even saw a couple folks leave because a DC user was on their team, as opposed to the normal leavers due to the other teams being DC balls.

Its in every guild chat.

Its frequently seen in zone chats.

Theignson

No worries, your prayers are answered, now the set is completely useless and does nothing.

Once again ZOS has introduced an overpowered set and then nerfed is into complete uselessness. Apparently there is no middle ground!

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Theignson wrote: »

No worries, your prayers are answered, now the set is completely useless and does nothing.

Once again ZOS has introduced an overpowered set and then nerfed is into complete uselessness. Apparently there is no middle ground!

Not as nerfed as poor thunder caller though, omg. Dude that set went from doing 10k damage to 2.5k. I seen maybe one other person using that set since it came out and zos gave it the ultimate nerf hammer. 75% nerf to a set literally no one used or cared about. Now literally literally no one will use it.