Is that the white-gold tower? Visible from blackwood

Gleitfrosch

Saw it in Blackwood, based on the direction it could be the whit-gold tower, but it would be very far away. It is part of the backgound/horizon, not reachable in Blackwood.

zaria

Pretty sure I have seen it who is a bit weird as I can not remember seeing it from other places who should be closer.

Gleitfrosch

just came into my mind: It would also be missing the dark anchor above it.

VDoom1

It could be, but as you said it's missing the giant dark anchor. There is nothing else that resembles the White Gold Tower in that direction so it's quite possible.

Ahhhh this makes me nostalgic to TES IV: Oblivion. ^^

Dark_Lord_Kuro

It most likely is
As for the dark anchors
Just imagine the planemeld treat is over since 582 as been long enough

Vevvev

I saw it and compared it to the map. It's slightly off, but yes that's it.

Sheridan

It's visible from Blackwood but not visible from Cyrodiil warcamp.

trackdemon5512

If it were it’s visible looking directly north from Blackwood. That makes no sense considering it’s NW of Blackwood. Like significantly NW.

Also it’s size also makes no sense. It would be absolutely massive up close if it were able to be seen from that distance. And then you can’t see it from zones like Reapers March. I wish it were removed.

BlueRaven

I wonder if the tower would look different based on the completion of the ic dungeon? That was to would be a cool little Easter egg.

Vevvev

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

If it were it’s visible looking directly north from Blackwood. That makes no sense considering it’s NW of Blackwood. Like significantly NW.

Also it’s size also makes no sense. It would be absolutely massive up close if it were able to be seen from that distance. And then you can’t see it from zones like Reapers March. I wish it were removed.

Makes sense cause in Oblivion that tower could be seen across the map, however in lore we have to remember that ever since Morrowind on everything we've seen of Tamriel has been significantly scaled down. What would take days on horseback merely takes a minute or two and the continent the size of Eurasia ends up feeling far smaller as a result. Reason they did this was to hand craft everything over procedural generation, which ended up helping the exploration aspect of the series.

Supreme_Atromancer

The fact that you can see WGT from Blackwood is attention to detail, and I love it. That you can't also see it from Reaper's March is because ZOS' fidelity to the more recent ES game maps have increased hugely compared to the launch zones. I like to think this is because they've heard how important this stuff is to the community and they take pride in creating the amazing world they do. So much so that if they were to do Reaper's March today, I reckon it would be a thousand-fold improvement. Rich recently said that the world gals/guys would love to update base-game zones, but that they only have so much time. So as it is now, you either get the team working on new content, or working on the old content, and he believes everyone wants to see new places. So, the best we can do is hope and pray that situation changes in some way such that this division would no longer be a barrier. Fingers crossed!

I don't know about the scale stuff - I obvs. haven't thought about it enough, but you can also see The Tower from the southern peaks of ES5, so it could be a deliberate compromise in order to do something cool. I think its an acceptable "handling" for the sake of cool to say that the tower's metaphysical nature might make it more visible across all of Tamriel than its real height would really allow.

As for its direction/placement, I didn't notice. Did they get that wrong?

Not to blow off anyone's arguments btw, detail is super important to me, too.

trackdemon5512

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

The fact that you can see WGT from Blackwood is attention to detail, and I love it. That you can't also see it from Reaper's March is because ZOS' fidelity to the more recent ES game maps have increased hugely compared to the launch zones. I like to think this is because they've heard how important this stuff is to the community and they take pride in creating the amazing world they do. So much so that if they were to do Reaper's March today, I reckon it would be a thousand-fold improvement. Rich recently said that the world gals/guys would love to update base-game zones, but that they only have so much time. So as it is now, you either get the team working on new content, or working on the old content, and he believes everyone wants to see new places. So, the best we can do is hope and pray that situation changes in some way such that this division would no longer be a barrier. Fingers crossed!

I don't know about the scale stuff - I obvs. haven't thought about it enough, but you can also see The Tower from the southern peaks of ES5, so it could be a deliberate compromise in order to do something cool. I think its an acceptable "handling" for the sake of cool to say that the tower's metaphysical nature might make it more visible across all of Tamriel than its real height would really allow.

As for its direction/placement, I didn't notice. Did they get that wrong?

Not to blow off anyone's arguments btw, detail is super important to me, too.

It’s definitely wrong.

Kalle_Demos

Blackwood is not deep in Black Marsh, it's the border. The northwest half of the map is part of Cyrodiil and the southeast half is Black Marsh. Leyawiin is an Imperial city and it was featured as a visit-able location in 'The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion' as part of the Cyrodiil province.

Dagoth_Rac

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

As for its direction/placement, I didn't notice. Did they get that wrong?

Not to blow off anyone's arguments btw, detail is super important to me, too.

The direction seems fine to me. WGT is NW of Leyawiin, but not offset by much. Certainly closer to North than exactly diagonal 45 degrees Northwest.

Parasaurolophus

Honestly ... It makes Tamriel look too small. But this is not so. WGT would hardly have been seen from such a distance in reality.

saar

VDoom1 wrote: »

It could be, but as you said it's missing the giant dark anchor. There is nothing else that resembles the White Gold Tower in that direction so it's quite possible.

Ahhhh this makes me nostalgic to TES IV: Oblivion. ^^

I believe all the DLCs occur after the main quest/White Gold Tower dungeon (the canonical ending of the Planemeld), which is why they don't have dark anchors.

Elsonso

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

As for its direction/placement, I didn't notice. Did they get that wrong?

Not to blow off anyone's arguments btw, detail is super important to me, too.

The direction seems fine to me. WGT is NW of Leyawiin, but not offset by much. Certainly closer to North than exactly diagonal 45 degrees Northwest.

From the northern bridge in Blackwood, if you can see it from there, it should be about 35 degrees west of north.

It should have the dark anchor over it, but since the DLC zones seem to be outside of the whole period of time when the Soulburst happened, they probably respectfully disagree.

Dagoth_Rac

Elsonso wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Supreme_Atromancer wrote: »

As for its direction/placement, I didn't notice. Did they get that wrong?

Not to blow off anyone's arguments btw, detail is super important to me, too.

The direction seems fine to me. WGT is NW of Leyawiin, but not offset by much. Certainly closer to North than exactly diagonal 45 degrees Northwest.

From the northern bridge in Blackwood, if you can see it from there, it should be about 35 degrees west of north.

It should have the dark anchor over it, but since the DLC zones seem to be outside of the whole period of time when the Soulburst happened, they probably respectfully disagree.

The screenshot in first post is from the very south of Blackwood, a little below the city of Leyawiin. At that increased distance, the angle will be gentler than from the very north of Blackwood, so angle in picture seems reasonably close to accurate.

Whether you should be able to see it at all from south of Leyawiin is a legit question. I don't think you could see it from that location in TES IV. I am sure ZOS could make some kind of argument that the tower's magic was weaker in TES IV because it had faded over time, and that residents of southern Blackwood in 2nd Era are seeing the tower project its magic, not seeing the physical object itself.

trackdemon5512

https://preview.redd.it/scj0uw9xabu61.jpg?auto=webp&s=449426bdcb12cbf8240527d852504f7fe60b991e

Look at those two maps.

Not only is the WGT, smack in the center of Cyrodiil, out of the line of sight from Blackreach, but you also have an entire missing zone which can obscure your view. There is just but so much one can see before the horizon wipes it from your view.

If the tower really was that big (it isn’t) we would definitely see it from N Elsweyr and Reapers March. Esp the latter as Reapers March is all lowlands at the edges of Imperial territory.

Elsonso

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

https://preview.redd.it/scj0uw9xabu61.jpg?auto=webp&s=449426bdcb12cbf8240527d852504f7fe60b991e

Look at those two maps.

Not only is the WGT, smack in the center of Cyrodiil, out of the line of sight from Blackreach, but you also have an entire missing zone which can obscure your view. There is just but so much one can see before the horizon wipes it from your view.

If the tower really was that big (it isn’t) we would definitely see it from N Elsweyr and Reapers March. Esp the latter as Reapers March is all lowlands at the edges of Imperial territory.

Pretty much all of Tamriel is out of sight from Blackreach... I assume you meant "Blackwood".

I have never seen any indication that Tamriel is actually a globe, so call me a member of the Flat Nirn society. That said, you should be able to see the WGT from select places in Blackwood. No curvature and it is pretty much just looking down the river.

The main reason we don't see it, other than the extended zone simply does not include it, is that the fog they put in to obscure areas outside of the zone also obscures the WGT.

Jamdarius

Meanwhile you still cannot see Red Mountain from Amaya Lake Lodge House in Vvardenfell...

Elsonso

Jamdarius wrote: »

Meanwhile you still cannot see Red Mountain from Amaya Lake Lodge House in Vvardenfell...

Peril Sensitive Property. What you don't know can't hurt you.

kinguardian

VDoom1 wrote: »

It could be, but as you said it's missing the giant dark anchor. There is nothing else that resembles the White Gold Tower in that direction so it's quite possible.

Ahhhh this makes me nostalgic to TES IV: Oblivion. ^^

I just started playing that today for the first time.

Raideen

I thought I saw the White Gold tower the other day. Nice attention to detail.