Rending slashes + stingling slahes as a spammable

Larcomar

Quick question - I think that, once upon a time, rending slashes was viable as a spammable if you used the masters dual wield. Is it still? I haven't seen it mentionned recently at all so maybe nerfed. Just picked stinging slashes up the other day and not sure I need another dizzy spammer....

cheers

larc

GrumpyDuckling

It's been a while but I'm pretty there were 2 changes made to counter its power as a spammable.

1) a delay was put in before the first dot tick occurs -- you used to be able to get a quick tick of dot damage in before your next use.
2) bleeds used to entirely ignore resistances so you didn't have to worry about being at penetration cap -- which isn't a big deal if you're already there anyway.

I'm not sure if these 2 changes are still the case, but I don't remember reading anything about them being reverted.

Larcomar

Bah. Well, I'm not surprised. They nerf eveything after a while. Was just looking for somethign different - I can't stand flurry, but 5 toons spamming wrecking blow / dizzy gets old. Play how you want - until they nerf it Thanks Grumpy

GrumpyDuckling

Larcomar wrote: »

Bah. Well, I'm not surprised. They nerf eveything after a while. Was just looking for somethign different - I can't stand flurry, but 5 toons spamming wrecking blow / dizzy gets old. Play how you want - until they nerf it Thanks Grumpy

I'm with you. "Play how you want" never really feels like it when so many builds are pushed in the direction of using the same skills.
You could still try testing to see how rending/stinging works as a spammable. Maybe the delayed dot tick got changed again or even if it's still there maybe it could be squeezed into a rotation between a skill with cast time or something. You might have to get creative and I'm not sure how worth it that might be, but at least you might get to experience a new flavor of combat if it's sufficient.

MentalxHammer

As grumpyduckling mentioned it used to be used as a spammable with masters dw because the first dot tick would land after 1s so it was essentially added to the direct damage of rending slashes as a spammable. Since then they have nerfed the 1s dot tick after rending, but masters dw has been reworked to provide its damage bonus to the initial direct damage hits of rending slashes. Since the rework rending actually hits slightly harder than the standardized spammable tooltip (base values are the same for molten whip/surprise attack etc.) which makes it actually a very strong spammable! The downside is you’re using 2x gear slots to give your toon a spammable but on a class like dk that deals damage in the form of pressure the extra dot is actually a nice compliment to the other dots you have rotating, particularly in 1vx situations where you simply need to land one spammable on a weak target and they are forced into a defensive rotation due to your crippling dots.

This is particularly useful on dk too because with the standard dizzying swing setup you are forced to run executioner, so with rending as your spammable you can save bar space by omitting your execute, this is made even more viable by the fact that dw attacks scale up in damage based on your targets missing health.

GrumpyDuckling

MentalxHammer wrote: »

As grumpyduckling mentioned it used to be used as a spammable with masters dw because the first dot tick would land after 1s so it was essentially added to the direct damage of rending slashes as a spammable. Since then they have nerfed the 1s dot tick after rending, but masters dw has been reworked to provide its damage bonus to the initial direct damage hits of rending slashes. Since the rework rending actually hits slightly harder than the standardized spammable tooltip (base values are the same for molten whip/surprise attack etc.) which makes it actually a very strong spammable! The downside is you’re using 2x gear slots to give your toon a spammable but on a class like dk that deals damage in the form of pressure the extra dot is actually a nice compliment to the other dots you have rotating, particularly in 1vx situations where you simply need to land one spammable on a weak target and they are forced into a defensive rotation due to your crippling dots.

This is particularly useful on dk too because with the standard dizzying swing setup you are forced to run executioner, so with rending as your spammable you can save bar space by omitting your execute, this is made even more viable by the fact that dw attacks scale up in damage based on your targets missing health.

Awesome info that I didn't know, thanks for sharing!

Larcomar

Thanks, that's really useful info. I'll check that out, though you're right about the gear slots. I can't add up! Will have to drop a mythic to go that route.

Cheers

larc

universal_wrath

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's been a while but I'm pretty there were 2 changes made to counter its power as a spammable.

1) a delay was put in before the first dot tick occurs -- you used to be able to get a quick tick of dot damage in before your next use.
2) bleeds used to entirely ignore resistances so you didn't have to worry about being at penetration cap -- which isn't a big deal if you're already there anyway.

I'm not sure if these 2 changes are still the case, but I don't remember reading anything about them being reverted.

I believe that also both rending and dw master got dmg reduction that made even not a viable PvP option.

MentalxHammer

universal_wrath wrote: »

GrumpyDuckling wrote: »

It's been a while but I'm pretty there were 2 changes made to counter its power as a spammable.

1) a delay was put in before the first dot tick occurs -- you used to be able to get a quick tick of dot damage in before your next use.
2) bleeds used to entirely ignore resistances so you didn't have to worry about being at penetration cap -- which isn't a big deal if you're already there anyway.

I'm not sure if these 2 changes are still the case, but I don't remember reading anything about them being reverted.

I believe that also both rending and dw master got dmg reduction that made even not a viable PvP option.

Rending damage hasn’t been patched in over a year. It’s quite viable as a spammable with masters dw in PvP.

MashmalloMan

To best use it as a spammable with Masters DW, alternate between it and another ability, some classes do this naturally.

Reason being is spamming it back to back will constantly refresh the duration of the dot, meaning you never actually get the dot ticks unless you're on your back bar resetting the rotation.

If you can dance between Rending Slashes and another skill, you'll get more "bang for your buck" so to speak helping it outpace many other spammables in the game.

Ippokrates

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

Syrpynt

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

So, you pointed out one thing, and then said it wasn't as good as another--but you're supposed to realize it wasn't a comparitor problem, but an addition problem.

Ippokrates

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

So, you pointed out one thing, and then said it wasn't as good as another--but you're supposed to realize it wasn't a comparitor problem, but an addition problem.

No, not really. In this case comparison is crucial, because why someone would select this particular weapon if another not only would be much more efficient but basically boost the same skill by the same value?

Syrpynt

Ippokrates wrote: »

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

So, you pointed out one thing, and then said it wasn't as good as another--but you're supposed to realize it wasn't a comparitor problem, but an addition problem.

No, not really. In this case comparison is crucial, because why someone would select this particular weapon if another not only would be much more efficient but basically boost the same skill by the same value?

Master's weapon rending slashes gets boosted by Maelstrom Flurry.

Ippokrates

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

So, you pointed out one thing, and then said it wasn't as good as another--but you're supposed to realize it wasn't a comparitor problem, but an addition problem.

No, not really. In this case comparison is crucial, because why someone would select this particular weapon if another not only would be much more efficient but basically boost the same skill by the same value?

Master's weapon rending slashes gets boosted by Maelstrom Flurry.

Yeah, so you need one on front bar & second on back bar and spam weapon swap all the time - don't really see it in anything more than dummy hugging.

Syrpynt

Ippokrates wrote: »

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Syrpynt wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Today i tested those Master's Daggers aaaand... sorry, i am not impress. Especially when compare to Maelstrom Dagger, which not only can give you bigger punch, but also boost your rending slashes and even lacerate

So, you pointed out one thing, and then said it wasn't as good as another--but you're supposed to realize it wasn't a comparitor problem, but an addition problem.

No, not really. In this case comparison is crucial, because why someone would select this particular weapon if another not only would be much more efficient but basically boost the same skill by the same value?

Master's weapon rending slashes gets boosted by Maelstrom Flurry.

Yeah, so you need one on front bar & second on back bar and spam weapon swap all the time - don't really see it in anything more than dummy hugging.

Sure, I'll keep passively healing with those skills in PvP--don't use it then. :P