vampire build utilizing the whole skillline?

moo_2021

I know it's not op but does anyone run something like that? seems viable to make a tank and have cheap offensive abilities at stage 4.

magicka based, not over reliant on stealth, using race skills mainly for passives.


I'm trying vampire for the first time with a breton magplar but can make a new toon if needed.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Idk man its kinda built around stealth. Pretty much leaves you with the ult, mist form, and mesmerize if you won't use stealth. Eviscerate is just terrible, blood frenzy is suicide if used outside stealth, and vampiric drain is also useless. You also want to be a tank? See if you would just open your mind and accept the gank lifestyle it could work. I know I seen magplars ganking pretty effectively before. No idea what he was doing, but he was dropping people just as fast as I was on my stamina nb. Pretty sure he was using dark flare in a combo with something else. Dark flare is basically magicka snipe, so makes sense.

Templar mains how effective would ganking as a magplar be? You could POWER UP in stealth with simmering frenzy(maybe use your op templar heals to keep it rolling longer) and then do your dark flare combo. Finish with jesus beam once your target starts rolling around trying to find cover or even shatter soul. An undodgeable ranged execute seems so good on paper, especially since the first thing a gank victim does is spam roll. Mist form to run away and unnatural movement for invisibility? Its no nb, but it seems serviceable in the hands of an elite gamer.

Vizirith

Unfortunately going pure vampire skills would basically only be suitable for rp purposes and not for real pvp.

Eviscerate and morphs: Okay with some builds, but kinda lackluster as the only actual damage ability

Blood Frenzy and morphs: Good for ganking and not much else

Drain: Weak, can be bashed

Mesmerize and morphs: Decent overall

Mist: Great

But the issue is you wouldn't actually be all that tanky, you have no real heals. Mist is great but then needs to be offset by heals as all it does is by you time. But then you have no real damage either. Frenzy wouldn't work that well because again you don't have any heals.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Idk man its kinda built around stealth. Pretty much leaves you with the ult, mist form, and mesmerize if you won't use stealth. Eviscerate is just terrible, blood frenzy is suicide if used outside stealth, and vampiric drain is also useless. You also want to be a tank? See if you would just open your mind and accept the gank lifestyle it could work. I know I seen magplars ganking pretty effectively before. No idea what he was doing, but he was dropping people just as fast as I was on my stamina nb. Pretty sure he was using dark flare in a combo with something else. Dark flare is basically magicka snipe, so makes sense.

Templar mains how effective would ganking as a magplar be? You could POWER UP in stealth with simmering frenzy(maybe use your op templar heals to keep it rolling longer) and then do your dark flare combo. Finish with jesus beam once your target starts rolling around trying to find cover or even shatter soul. An undodgeable ranged execute seems so good on paper, especially since the first thing a gank victim does is spam roll. Mist form to run away and unnatural movement for invisibility? Its no nb, but it seems serviceable in the hands of an elite gamer.

If you play PC NA CP you prolly are talking about that khajiit magplar on ad that was doing well with it months ago. They were more going pure burst centered around mech acuity and RAT>vamp sprint invis. But it was a very niche build that didn't do all that well solo, iirc they would often be with 2-3 pretty tanky others that would often hold "aggro" while the magplar would burst and run.

Also remember dark flare got the same dmg nerf that snipe did. So it doesn't have as much up front burst.

geonsocal

hey @moo_2021 , so cool to see you giving all the different aspects of the game a try, particularly as it relates to pvp

I have a mag dk and stamblade as vamps for some years now...the vamp toolkit is super weak unfortunately...

mist and scion are useful, drain's okay (the morph that gives you an ultimate generation boost...

besides for that, not so much...the added cost to your non-vamp skills as you reach higher vamp levels is tough...

I know you mainly play battlegrounds, but, you have to be really careful with flaming oil or other flame type siege damage in cyrodiil...

also, in order to make it work in pvp you need to stay at stage 3...

geonsocal

personally, I wish they would model the vamp skill line after the werewolf skill line...

Vevvev

Not even my vampire build uses all the abilities. I tried but you just don't touch some except for niche scenarios. The worst of them is Vampiric Drain because it's missing health channeled heal requires at least 40k HP to be decent, and can be bashed putting it on cooldown and stunning you.

Mesmerize/Stupefy is great against ball groups that charge in one direction together, and Hypnosis when you're outnumbered and the sole target of the large group.

Blood for Blood is great as a way to do damage on a build with trash sustain, while Arterial Burst is an okay ability. It's guaranteed critical hit means little in PvP thanks to crit resistance unless you're doing that one delayed damage ability stacking guaranteed crit gank build.

Mistform is amazing in PvP. Elusive Mist is an upgraded version with Blood Mist being niche, but useful if you enjoy trolling ball groups.

Perfect Scion..... avoid this morph and just go Swarming Scion.

Blood Frenzy is great for super charging proc sets and/or ganking. I wouldn't recommend leaving this thing on for long due to PvP's 55% reduced healing and just how powerful cross healing is. However, a Blood Frenzied Dark Convergence is a real doozy, especially when combined with Vicious Death.

Edit: As for the Vampire stages I always go stages 3-4. Three for when situations are dire and I'm mostly defending an area with four being my go to because of the 50% reduced sprint cost for my Magicka build. The added invisibility while sprinting is great for setting up aggressive ambushes and chasing people who then look behind them and think they're clear.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO

Vizirith wrote: »

Unfortunately going pure vampire skills would basically only be suitable for rp purposes and not for real pvp.

Eviscerate and morphs: Okay with some builds, but kinda lackluster as the only actual damage ability

Blood Frenzy and morphs: Good for ganking and not much else

Drain: Weak, can be bashed

Mesmerize and morphs: Decent overall

Mist: Great

But the issue is you wouldn't actually be all that tanky, you have no real heals. Mist is great but then needs to be offset by heals as all it does is by you time. But then you have no real damage either. Frenzy wouldn't work that well because again you don't have any heals.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Idk man its kinda built around stealth. Pretty much leaves you with the ult, mist form, and mesmerize if you won't use stealth. Eviscerate is just terrible, blood frenzy is suicide if used outside stealth, and vampiric drain is also useless. You also want to be a tank? See if you would just open your mind and accept the gank lifestyle it could work. I know I seen magplars ganking pretty effectively before. No idea what he was doing, but he was dropping people just as fast as I was on my stamina nb. Pretty sure he was using dark flare in a combo with something else. Dark flare is basically magicka snipe, so makes sense.

Templar mains how effective would ganking as a magplar be? You could POWER UP in stealth with simmering frenzy(maybe use your op templar heals to keep it rolling longer) and then do your dark flare combo. Finish with jesus beam once your target starts rolling around trying to find cover or even shatter soul. An undodgeable ranged execute seems so good on paper, especially since the first thing a gank victim does is spam roll. Mist form to run away and unnatural movement for invisibility? Its no nb, but it seems serviceable in the hands of an elite gamer.

If you play PC NA CP you prolly are talking about that khajiit magplar on ad that was doing well with it months ago. They were more going pure burst centered around mech acuity and RAT>vamp sprint invis. But it was a very niche build that didn't do all that well solo, iirc they would often be with 2-3 pretty tanky others that would often hold "aggro" while the magplar would burst and run.

Also remember dark flare got the same dmg nerf that snipe did. So it doesn't have as much up front burst.

I actually didn't know dark flare got nerfed, feels kinda dumb. Don't think I have ever been killed by dark flare. I seen the magplar ganker back during greymoor, so probably not the same guy. He was playing ep and solo too. Solo players always got those secret builds that I never see, but they work good.

Are you a magplar? I want to know if jesus beam is any good when its buffed by simmering frenzy on a low health target. Feels like it would be really hard to not die after getting comboed from a ganker and then hit with an undodgeable execute.

moo_2021

geonsocal wrote: »

I know you mainly play battlegrounds, but, you have to be really careful with flaming oil or other flame type siege damage in cyrodiil...

also, in order to make it work in pvp you need to stay at stage 3...

Thanks for the warning the horse is still too slow so I'll stick with bg and IC for some time until training is completed.

Why isn't Arterial Burst recommended as a spammable? The damage/cost ratio is very high even though there is nothing special.

As magplar I'm thinking of using Toppling Charge followed by Arterial Burst spamming.

Is stage 3 for the health regen? But does it still matter since there is 60% cut and then 50% by battle spirit (unless I'm holding the chaos ball...?)

Vevvev wrote: »

Mistform is amazing in PvP. Elusive Mist is an upgraded version with Blood Mist being niche, but useful if you enjoy trolling ball groups.

why is Blood Mist the niche one? Wouldn't healing help to last in long combat? Or useful for escaping mode only?

Since magicka regen would be disabled, best to have cost reduction enchant right?

Vevvev

moo_2021 wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Mistform is amazing in PvP. Elusive Mist is an upgraded version with Blood Mist being niche, but useful if you enjoy trolling ball groups.

why is Blood Mist the niche one? Wouldn't healing help to last in long combat? Or useful for escaping mode only?

Since magicka regen would be disabled, best to have cost reduction enchant right?

It costs more than Elusive, is slower than Elusive, and the heal isn't that good against a single target. Need 3-4+ people in the bloodmist effect in order to out heal the damage output by most people. It's the more aggressive morph of mistform meant for being in the thick of it while Elusive is battlefield mobility and repositioning.

moo_2021

thanks everyone!!

Now I have something to try: maximize magicka not recovery, cost reduction enchant, Crafty Alfiq, Pariah, Gaze, Domihaus, class skill for opening proc, vampire spammable and mist costing less than 300/s.

Since I dont need magicka on the run, I might be able to forsake regen completely and try to finish any encounter before magicka pool is down to zero. Also no need of magicka to run into invisibility.


hopefully this one will be better than my stamden

moo_2021

just found that I cannot really keep mist form while attacking

Now I understand why vampire is not very useful... but maybe in pvp it's still a viable alternative to nerfed shields and keep me alive between burst attacks.

Stx

Mistform is a fantastic mobility and defense tool. Arterial burst a a great spammable for some classes, not all. Frenzy is risky, and drain is very niche. The ultimate I am not a fan of but I know it can be powerful.

moo_2021

Ran first BGs today!

the good: damage reduction is awesome! Got 3k surprise attack, 3k dizzy swing, 3/4k frag.. nothing dangerous

Mesmerize is useful when it works; cost increase doesn't affect much in pvp given the 36k pool.

the bad: Neither Unnatural Movement nor Elusive Mist are useful to my playstyle in BG, though I can see their purpose in Cyrodiil.

Arterial Burst is powerful and basically free but I need Puncturing Sweep to keep alive in close combat. Or better to stack HoTs? like Extended Ritual + Radiating Regeneration? I know ppl recommend burst heal but usually I die after CC when healing can't be activated, and I don't run from fight ever (too slow).

Vevvev

moo_2021 wrote: »

Ran first BGs today!

the good: damage reduction is awesome! Got 3k surprise attack, 3k dizzy swing, 3/4k frag.. nothing dangerous

Mesmerize is useful when it works; cost increase doesn't affect much in pvp given the 36k pool.

the bad: Neither Unnatural Movement nor Elusive Mist are useful to my playstyle in BG, though I can see their purpose in Cyrodiil.

Arterial Burst is powerful and basically free but I need Puncturing Sweep to keep alive in close combat. Or better to stack HoTs? like Extended Ritual + Radiating Regeneration? I know ppl recommend burst heal but usually I die after CC when healing can't be activated, and I don't run from fight ever (too slow).

It takes some practice but you need to dodge immediately after breaking free even if you're not immobilized. The dodge will get out of the way of all but AoE based attacks allowing you to cast the heal when the dodge ends. Another use for Elusive Mist, or at least how I use it, is after using it to get out of an AoE I immediately cast a heal to get out of Mist. For 6 seconds if you're stage 2+ you get 300 spell and weapon damage after leaving mistform which can boost healing by a bit.