I can play this with my Integrated CPU graphics in high setting, is this normal?

DeltaForce64x

I thought Intel HD graphics are poor in performance and never should be played any game with it, so I bumped up the texture quality to high and sub pixel thing to high as well and shadow quality set to Ultra. I can play perfectly fine with awesome picture quality, I didn't gettting any dips or drops in Davons watch. It feels like I'm playing this on a real graphics card performance. I wanted to play it with CPU graphics with reasons my own, so I did set the eso64.exe for power saving under Windows 10 settings > System > Graphics, so I think computer runs the game with my INTEL HD 4600 which is a decade old cpu graphics but runs perfectly good,

so I ask is this normal? I always thought ESO system requirments increased overtime but Steam still says GTX 460 is enough to play in minimum and yet I doubled the graphics settings and it runs OK with a integrated gpu. An cpu graphics are not even in same league with a 460 but somehow runs good,

Can anyone shed a light here? kinda confused and happy at same time,

(updated Intel graphics driver to the latest and enabled from BIOS)

phaneub17_ESO

This is a cpu heavy driven game over gpu, they both still affect it but ya higher cpu the better. I play with all settings at max except shadow is turned off and liquid is at medium (lowest liquid turns rain into blotch puddles). It's also nice to tweak the FPS, I run mine at 165 FPS.

Gythral

Modern CPU vs 8+ year old graphics

Guess which wins ...

DeltaForce64x

Gythral wrote: »

Modern CPU vs 8+ year old graphics

Guess which wins ...

My cpu isnt modern as well, its an 4th gen Intel processor with hd graphics in it, but seems like this cpu graphics even runs GTA V in normal settings with very smooth,

I'm VERY surprised cpu graphics can run eso in ultra shadows, which is awesome,

danno8

What are the FPS. "fine" for some is terrible for others.

That said, I can play this game on a low end laptop at medium settings as long as I am not doing anything that requires quick movements like arenas, PvP etc...

Kiralyn2000

danno8 wrote: »

What are the FPS. "fine" for some is terrible for others.

Resolution makes a difference, too.

Hurbster

I'd rather play at 1080p with a higher refresh rate, which played a big part in choosing my monitor. If I want 4k I guess I can go run it through my telly.

DeltaForce64x

Looks like my windows 10 settings page for setting graphics for apps manually is corrupted as I'm getting solid 60fps as its a clear sign the game uses my real graphics card and not my integrated cpu graphics. I'm in process upgrading to Windows 10 2004 since this specific upgrade makes changes and improvements for that graphics panel in Settings.

I will let you know the results in a few hours, clearly the graphics I did set it up for eso64.exe for my ıntel graphics does not work.

danno8

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Looks like my windows 10 settings page for setting graphics for apps manually is corrupted as I'm getting solid 60fps as its a clear sign the game uses my real graphics card and not my integrated cpu graphics. I'm in process upgrading to Windows 10 2004 since this specific upgrade makes changes and improvements for that graphics panel in Settings.

I will let you know the results in a few hours, clearly the graphics I did set it up for eso64.exe for my ıntel graphics does not work.

Yah that sounds about right.

TwinLamps

Guess in Cyro it would drop in performance quite a lot

ixthUA

danno8 wrote: »

What are the FPS. "fine" for some is terrible for others.

That said, I can play this game on a low end laptop at medium settings as long as I am not doing anything that requires quick movements like arenas, PvP etc...

1080p at 36 fps, medium settings (ambient occlusion off), playing since 2017. Perfectly comfortable and game is beautiful.
20 years ago gamers were playing at 20-25 fps (take a look at graphics from 20 years ago) and it was considered normal. It's a matter of getting used to.
In future people will have 8k VR 144hz displays and it will be considered normal, while 4k 60 herz single display will be considered impossible to play on.

Malkiv

ixthUA wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

What are the FPS. "fine" for some is terrible for others.

That said, I can play this game on a low end laptop at medium settings as long as I am not doing anything that requires quick movements like arenas, PvP etc...

1080p at 36 fps, medium settings (ambient occlusion off), playing since 2017. Perfectly comfortable and game is beautiful.
20 years ago gamers were playing at 20-25 fps (take a look at graphics from 20 years ago) and it was considered normal. It's a matter of getting used to.
In future people will have 8k VR 144hz displays and it will be considered normal, while 4k 60 herz single display will be considered impossible to play on.

That’s not true at all, regarding the FPS from 20 years ago. I was gaming on pc back then, and doing it at 1086x768 at about 50-75 FPS depending on the title. Games like UT, Q3A and MW3 ran even higher at that res with high settings. Only the most modern games from 2000-2001, like TES3 and MW4, ran 30-50 FPS at that res, on my system. You’d have to back almost 30 years to get to the sub-30 FPS normality mark, when draw rate and lack of consumer 3D acceleration was the limiting factor in any game that presented its self as 3D.

Folkb

Interesting I get dips in certain areas in cities like wayrest that drop my frames to like 58 and thats with a 1080ti and an i7 6700k running at 1440p.

ixthUA

Malkiv wrote: »

ixthUA wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

What are the FPS. "fine" for some is terrible for others.

That said, I can play this game on a low end laptop at medium settings as long as I am not doing anything that requires quick movements like arenas, PvP etc...

1080p at 36 fps, medium settings (ambient occlusion off), playing since 2017. Perfectly comfortable and game is beautiful.
20 years ago gamers were playing at 20-25 fps (take a look at graphics from 20 years ago) and it was considered normal. It's a matter of getting used to.
In future people will have 8k VR 144hz displays and it will be considered normal, while 4k 60 herz single display will be considered impossible to play on.

That’s not true at all, regarding the FPS from 20 years ago. I was gaming on pc back then, and doing it at 1086x768 at about 50-75 FPS depending on the title. Games like UT, Q3A and MW3 ran even higher at that res with high settings. Only the most modern games from 2000-2001, like TES3 and MW4, ran 30-50 FPS at that res, on my system. You’d have to back almost 30 years to get to the sub-30 FPS normality mark, when draw rate and lack of consumer 3D acceleration was the limiting factor in any game that presented its self as 3D.

People nowadays are getting sub-30 fps dips. You may be using high-end PCs, but majority of gamers use budget computers. If you look at pre-built pcs and laptops - majority of them use budget and sub-budget GPUs.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Game is way more CPU heavy than GPU heavy. Also, resolution matters a lot here. It doesnt take much to drive this game at 1920*1080 or lower. Lastly, Davons Watch is probably not the best benchmark. My rig, which is fairly over the top, simply doesnt stutter in overland at max settings at 3440x1440. In an intense 12 man trial, things are a different story. In PVP, well, we all know the state of PVP. That has nothing to do with my Rig...

DeltaForce64x

PROBLEM RESOLVED

STEAM VERSION OF ESO USES NVIDIA/AMD GRAPHICS
NON STEAM VERSION (retail, manual login) USES INTEL CPU GRAPHICS

geee took me hours to found this out, it seems for some reason Steam forces the game to use real graphics instead of Integrated CPU graphics. OR perhaps this setting is not corrupted yet, who knows Windows 10 is a disaster and keep throwing me weird problems. I didn't had this type of issues on Windows 7 or Windows 8.

I will update this post in future if non steam version gets corrupted too or not, all I want is play this game with my cpu graphics lol is that too much to ask for,

ResidentContrarian

Folkb wrote: »

Interesting I get dips in certain areas in cities like wayrest that drop my frames to like 58 and thats with a 1080ti and an i7 6700k running at 1440p.

If you have switchable graphics or more than one GPU (integrated, dedicated) this game sometimes bugs and swaps GPUs over and over again resulting in a loss of performance. Maybe that is the case for you (or someone else).

ESO is not recognized as a proper high-performance graphics application, and this causes the OS to set integrated graphics when GPU usage is low and dedicated iff integrated GPU usage reaches a threshold (80-100%), rinse-repeat. The end result is a loss of frames and poor performance.

Not going to write 5 pages explaining how the bug works or how to fix it (or how ZOS can), but the solution is to simply change your power preset to one where either switchable graphics is disabled or the OS always chooses the stronger GPU. Most high performance presets do this, but if not, then consult a guide.

Nvidia Control Panel and CCC/Radeon Software has lower priority on Windows at setting graphics performance and card selection than the Windows Power Management System (Kernel).

The same is applicable for your network card's power management setting -- there too, ESO is not recognized as application with streaming data and will cause your network card to cycle on and off, increase interrupts, and ultimately increase lag and raise ping through the roof if the power management setting is causing an issue.

If you have either of those problems you will notice a performance gain, assuming your hardware is not taxed at 100%.

dlrgames

If you want to always use your integrated CPU graphics just disable the the discrete graphics card in the Windows Device Manager.

DeltaForce64x

dlrgames wrote: »

If you want to always use your integrated CPU graphics just disable the the discrete graphics card in the Windows Device Manager.

Yes but that leaves my screen black for a few seconds? Is that safe to do for daily use? I always feared doing that method may stuck in black screen or whatever, plus I still need to use my discrete gpu for other games and programs, its just Steam doing something to force discrete gpu or Windows bugs something,

DeltaForce64x

By the way people, if any of you interested in next gen console visuals in game, (not sure if work or not) there is "set_console_ps5 /xbss" entries in the UserSettings file located at My Documents/Elder Scrolls Online/live. I just enabled (I think) rain wetness effect so hopefully that works, not sure if the cpu graphics can handle it or not but will try.

I first enabled by writing "1" instead of "0" for xbox series s graphics in that file but login page gave me an error pop up, so if you get that error pop up too just revert back to "0" and it should be default. Same as delete file,

This thread going on outside of its original reason but I want to thank you all for replying

vesselwiththepestle

DeltaForce64x wrote: »

Looks like my windows 10 settings page for setting graphics for apps manually is corrupted as I'm getting solid 60fps as its a clear sign the game uses my real graphics card and not my integrated cpu graphics. I'm in process upgrading to Windows 10 2004 since this specific upgrade makes changes and improvements for that graphics panel in Settings.

I will let you know the results in a few hours, clearly the graphics I did set it up for eso64.exe for my ıntel graphics does not work.

You need to connect your screen to the graphics output on your mainboard, not your graphics card, if you want to use your integrated graphics. Safe way to make sure you are using the correct device. Also you should check your BIOS settings if they allow for integrated graphics.