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The day hope died
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Yesterday Rich Lambert was hosting a stream on Twitch and was answering some questions from Chat, one of them was: "When will Stamdk get an instant meele spammable?"
The idea behind an instant meele spammable is to allow Stamdk in PvP to run S&B frontbar and no longer being reliant on using dizzying swing as this forces it into the same niche as Stamina necro and Stamina warden.
Both of those classes are tremendously outclassing stamdk rendering it obsolete as there simply is no chance of competing.
There's a video of Rich's answer to this question but it's too painful to share it here, but he basically said that he sees no reason to add it at all.
When you listen closely to the video you can hear the hearts of all people breaking, who enjoyed stamdk prior to the Heroic Slash nerfs.
May you rest in piece stamdk and may no one defile your grave by using Poop Fist.
The idea behind an instant meele spammable is to allow Stamdk in PvP to run S&B frontbar and no longer being reliant on using dizzying swing as this forces it into the same niche as Stamina necro and Stamina warden.
Both of those classes are tremendously outclassing stamdk rendering it obsolete as there simply is no chance of competing.
There's a video of Rich's answer to this question but it's too painful to share it here, but he basically said that he sees no reason to add it at all.
When you listen closely to the video you can hear the hearts of all people breaking, who enjoyed stamdk prior to the Heroic Slash nerfs.
May you rest in piece stamdk and may no one defile your grave by using Poop Fist.
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Lady_Galadhiel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Damn now I need to buy a class change token...Oh wait that does not exist...Total ESO playtime: 8325 hours
ESO plus status: Cancelled
ESO currently uninstalled.13 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭not implementing what some people want does not equal "don't care about our opinions"
Everybody is always going to look out for their favorite class and want to buff it to be the best. It's the devs job to sort out those who want to make their class OP over those that are needed for balance sake.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points42 -
BohnT2✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭not implementing what some people want does not equal "don't care about our opinions"
Everybody is always going to look out for their favorite class and want to buff it to be the best. It's the devs job to sort out those who want to make their class OP over those that are needed for balance sake.
With Stamwarden and Necromancers existing, they can be sure that they won't overbuff Stamdk too easily.12 -
NylAR✭✭✭✭This is so sad.... A melee class skill for DK must be the most requested feature for years now ever since the SnB nerf[snip]
Having a vision you wanna stick to is one thing. But ignoring your customer and irreversibly ruining their experience is another.
[edited for bashing & discussing moderator actions]Edited by ZOS_Icy on August 10, 2021 12:51PM19 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.9 -
NylAR✭✭✭✭not implementing what some people want does not equal "don't care about our opinions"
Everybody is always going to look out for their favorite class and want to buff it to be the best. It's the devs job to sort out those who want to make their class OP over those that are needed for balance sake.
It does because this has been probably the longest running request from players ever. And it sucks to just have it refused like this.
No one wants a class buffed to be the best or op. This is a question of playstyle and gameplay. ZOS could easily balance it out somewhere else on the DK. Not jusy dismiss the idea entirely.
DK was my first character ever and I dropped it because I no longer resonated with it after some time. Not because it sucked not because it became a pain to play, but because Zenimax ruined the class fantasy I had with DK.Edited by NylAR on August 9, 2021 12:30PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.
My experience with stamDKs in PvP was you just wanted to put as many DoTs on target as possible, so stuff like the claw swipe and poison breath, (along with a lot of poison bow abilities), and then let the target freak out, run away, and melt. Might be easier to just caltrops 'em, and then put DoTs on, before letting them scamper off and expire.3 -
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.
My experience with stamDKs in PvP was you just wanted to put as many DoTs on target as possible, so stuff like the claw swipe and poison breath, (along with a lot of poison bow abilities), and then let the target freak out, run away, and melt. Might be easier to just caltrops 'em, and then put DoTs on, before letting them scamper off and expire.
Since Dragonhold no one dies to dot damage from regular skills alone.
There's also no reason to run Caltrops when Noxious applies major breach already.
Also running bow on stamdk is actively worsening your performance.19 -
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✭"Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment"
How about Purge Protection instead - and an improvement to the hitbox for Noxious / Engulfing?
Given other recent changes, the desire for StamWhip might be satisfied if Molten Whip were given Dynamic Scaling ala Flames of Oblivion. The skill already gives a Weapon Damage buff.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.
My experience with stamDKs in PvP was you just wanted to put as many DoTs on target as possible, so stuff like the claw swipe and poison breath, (along with a lot of poison bow abilities), and then let the target freak out, run away, and melt. Might be easier to just caltrops 'em, and then put DoTs on, before letting them scamper off and expire.
Since Dragonhold no one dies to dot damage from regular skills alone.
There's also no reason to run Caltrops when Noxious applies major breach already.
Also running bow on stamdk is actively worsening your performance.
My experience has been stacking DoTs is still nasty, but like I said, I don't like DKs for PvP, so, I don't think I've been in Cyrodiil on one since the winter Midyear Mayhem.1 -
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✭starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.
My experience with stamDKs in PvP was you just wanted to put as many DoTs on target as possible, so stuff like the claw swipe and poison breath, (along with a lot of poison bow abilities), and then let the target freak out, run away, and melt. Might be easier to just caltrops 'em, and then put DoTs on, before letting them scamper off and expire.
Since Dragonhold no one dies to dot damage from regular skills alone.
There's also no reason to run Caltrops when Noxious applies major breach already.
Also running bow on stamdk is actively worsening your performance.
My experience has been stacking DoTs is still nasty, but like I said, I don't like DKs for PvP, so, I don't think I've been in Cyrodiil on one since the winter Midyear Mayhem.
In my view, one of the big issues with a DoT-dependent offense right now in 1v1 or Smallscale is that they're the least effective against the strongest class - MagCroTank - on account of Curative Curse, Disdain Harm, and Hexproof.Xbox NA AD / Day 1 ScrubDK / Wood Orc Cuisine Enthusiast3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
In my view, one of the big issues with a DoT-dependent offense right now in 1v1 or Smallscale is that they're the least effective against the strongest class - MagCroTank - on account of Curative Curse, Disdain Harm, and Hexproof.
And a skilled Templar or Warden with their netch constantly up. Three of the six classes can actively shut down a Dragonknight's offensive power which is problematic to say the least. Also ball groups spamming purge make it hard to really get any meaningful hits in.PC NA - Ceyanna Ashton - Breton Vampire MagDK3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »starkerealm wrote: »
I too like to deal less damage with my ability than my Light attack, there is no proper spammable that deals decent enough damage.
My experience with stamDKs in PvP was you just wanted to put as many DoTs on target as possible, so stuff like the claw swipe and poison breath, (along with a lot of poison bow abilities), and then let the target freak out, run away, and melt. Might be easier to just caltrops 'em, and then put DoTs on, before letting them scamper off and expire.
Since Dragonhold no one dies to dot damage from regular skills alone.
There's also no reason to run Caltrops when Noxious applies major breach already.
Also running bow on stamdk is actively worsening your performance.
My experience has been stacking DoTs is still nasty, but like I said, I don't like DKs for PvP, so, I don't think I've been in Cyrodiil on one since the winter Midyear Mayhem.
In my view, one of the big issues with a DoT-dependent offense right now in 1v1 or Smallscale is that they're the least effective against the strongest class - MagCroTank - on account of Curative Curse, Disdain Harm, and Hexproof.
Yeah, that tracks. Specifically, I don't remember running into many Necrotanks in the sewers, but, yeah, I can see where that would hobble most DoT builds.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Urzigurumash wrote: »
In my view, one of the big issues with a DoT-dependent offense right now in 1v1 or Smallscale is that they're the least effective against the strongest class - MagCroTank - on account of Curative Curse, Disdain Harm, and Hexproof.
And a skilled Templar or Warden with their netch constantly up. Three of the six classes can actively shut down a Dragonknight's offensive power which is problematic to say the least. Also ball groups spamming purge make it hard to really get any meaningful hits in.
Yeah, now that I think about it... that puts them in a bad situation. It also explains why I wasn't having problems with my NB's build, because it was 1v1ing, but uses a DoT stack players are unlikely to notice. So, the wardens I took out probably didn't realize they needed to cleanse. And the Templar kills I got were in uncoordinated mass melee where it's nearly impossible to see the effect on you.
Like I said, I don't like playing DKs. You guys have my sympathies, as a Stamblade main, I do know how you feel.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭So, I think the important question here is if his channel gives out twitch drops for eso crates.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I've mained a stam DK Nord since Beta. There will never be a nail in the coffin for me. There will just be more time spent on my alts. Which is a little sad.Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!5 -
tripp✭✭✭Warden here, please give me a class spammable that isn't a projectile with a travel time of 3 seconds because that feels godawful to use. Thanksbig, green, buff, but surprisingly not the Hulk6 -
hcbigdogdoghc✭✭✭✭✭not implementing what some people want does not equal "don't care about our opinions"
Everybody is always going to look out for their favorite class and want to buff it to be the best. It's the devs job to sort out those who want to make their class OP over those that are needed for balance sake.
We all know that ZOS will give stamdks an OP melee spammable in a heartbeat had dk been a paid class.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭StamDK has no class spammable, and MagDK has no class or weapon execute. I understand not wanting homogeneous classes, but it’s a shame that the devs don’t see the need for more parity for DK.Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~Friedrich Nietzsche6 -
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That being said I agree with Rich.
[Edit to remove bait]Edited by [Deleted User] on August 9, 2021 8:14PM2 -
Gamerscape2007✭✭✭✭I mean, are any of you surprise? This is the same man who thought adding perfect version of Arena weapons without rightfully compensating players who put in blood, sweat and tears into Arena such as Vet Maelstrom Arena was a good idea. [snip]
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✭✭✭✭✭not implementing what some people want does not equal "don't care about our opinions"
Everybody is always going to look out for their favorite class and want to buff it to be the best. It's the devs job to sort out those who want to make their class OP over those that are needed for balance sake.
Both points make sense. It also seems that this is more about a specific build, being able to run S&B on the main bar (be a little tanky) and still do good damage.0
