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Too many stuns
slimwaffle
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There are way too many stuns in this game. Just way too many.
It feels like ZOS's go to for making something challenging is just give everything one shots and stuns.
Most of the deaths I experience in pvp are from stuns I can't break. Players know this is a problem for most and spam cc.
When doing the solo content and arenas nearly all of my deaths have been from getting spammed by stuns or cc at really poorly timed moments.
Even doing things like cp grinding catacombs you will get cc spammed.
If there is any kind of immunity feature that builds up with each use, it clearly doesn't work or needs to stack up and be effective faster.
The champion point ability (Slippery) to auto break cc was a good start. But its not nearly enough. The amount of times you get cc spammed even doing the most basic stuff, means that even if you auto break the first one you are still coping multiple cc that are effective against you.
Auto break is actually a great idea especially for the people who support the game from other countries and play on high latency.
So here are two ideas I wanted to put out there to ZOS to make the amount of stuns more tolerable.
idea 1- The champion point ability Slippery, taking it from a 21 second cooldown to a 10 second cooldown.
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idea 2- The champion point ability Slippery will always auto break stuns but at an increased cost to stamina.
idea number 2 is my favourite of them. I think this would be a great choice for people with high latency. And the increased cost would help stop it from being abused in pvp. Because then people would have to weigh the trade off.
It feels like ZOS's go to for making something challenging is just give everything one shots and stuns.
Most of the deaths I experience in pvp are from stuns I can't break. Players know this is a problem for most and spam cc.
When doing the solo content and arenas nearly all of my deaths have been from getting spammed by stuns or cc at really poorly timed moments.
Even doing things like cp grinding catacombs you will get cc spammed.
If there is any kind of immunity feature that builds up with each use, it clearly doesn't work or needs to stack up and be effective faster.
The champion point ability (Slippery) to auto break cc was a good start. But its not nearly enough. The amount of times you get cc spammed even doing the most basic stuff, means that even if you auto break the first one you are still coping multiple cc that are effective against you.
Auto break is actually a great idea especially for the people who support the game from other countries and play on high latency.
So here are two ideas I wanted to put out there to ZOS to make the amount of stuns more tolerable.
idea 1- The champion point ability Slippery, taking it from a 21 second cooldown to a 10 second cooldown.
or
idea 2- The champion point ability Slippery will always auto break stuns but at an increased cost to stamina.
idea number 2 is my favourite of them. I think this would be a great choice for people with high latency. And the increased cost would help stop it from being abused in pvp. Because then people would have to weigh the trade off.
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Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭I heard that Slippery is buggy, but if it is working without any problems, 21 seconds cooldown effectively means out of 3 CC you auto break 1 of them.
If you change the cooldown to 10s, wouldn’t it mean that there is only a 3s downtime before you can auto break free again?PC NA Casual/PVP1 -
slimwaffle✭✭✭I'm not sure where you are getting this rule of 3 cc.
Because I literally just did a cp run of catacombs in Craglorn. Where I had to break free multiple times to the point of using all of my stamina even with the slippery perk on.1 -
slimwaffle✭✭✭
Sorry I can't edit once I accidentally hit post.slimwaffle wrote: »I'm not sure where you are getting this rule of 3 cc.
Because I literally just did a cp run of catacombs in Craglorn. Where I had to break free multiple times to the point of using all of my stamina even with the slippery perk on.
This all happened inside of a 10 second window.
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Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭Because you have 7s of CC immunity, right?
In PVE environment lots of stun can be interrupted or blocked.
And PVP stun that cannot be broken free is because of performance issue.PC NA Casual/PVP0 -
Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭
That is because the mobs in skyreach have a special move that ignore immunity. It is only a short stagger.slimwaffle wrote: »
Sorry I can't edit once I accidentally hit post.slimwaffle wrote: »I'm not sure where you are getting this rule of 3 cc.
Because I literally just did a cp run of catacombs in Craglorn. Where I had to break free multiple times to the point of using all of my stamina even with the slippery perk on.
This all happened inside of a 10 second window.
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✭✭✭It’s unbearable after a while. I can’t run through a single dungeon or zone and not get loads of stuns. I was running through Blackwood and found a shortcut through this cave. Nearly every mob cc’d me in some way. There were even some delves that instantly stop my toon. It’s annoying. They want to hit me fine, but enough with the stuns already.
On top of that, the horrible leashing prevents me from hitting back. I’ve done too many zones!3 -
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✭Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »Because you have 7s of CC immunity, right?
In PVE environment lots of stun can be interrupted or blocked.
And PVP stun that cannot be broken free is because of performance issue.
CC immunity? I have heard of this mythic state of being but have never encountered it.5 -
Spurius_Lucilius✭✭✭Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »Because you have 7s of CC immunity, right?
In PVE environment lots of stun can be interrupted or blocked.
And PVP stun that cannot be broken free is because of performance issue.
CC immunity? I have heard of this mythic state of being but have never encountered it.
If you want you can drink some immovable potion and immediately experience it!
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Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭It is funny to see myself and other players break free like 5 times in a row in cyro and still no break free. The animation and the "arrgghghh" sound looks and sounds so funny on repeat like that. This game is so...... something. I still play it. Wish it would work.1
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Curious_Death✭✭✭✭✭Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »Spurius_Lucilius wrote: »Because you have 7s of CC immunity, right?
In PVE environment lots of stun can be interrupted or blocked.
And PVP stun that cannot be broken free is because of performance issue.
CC immunity? I have heard of this mythic state of being but have never encountered it.
If you want you can drink some immovable potion and immediately experience it!
ok dude pls post ur gameplay video 1vX and explain how it works .. [snip] its unpleyable... i left eso for 2 weeks atm ... i logged ... nothing changed ! i get stun JUST after i breakfree or i breakfree 3 times from "one" CC and i am out of stamina to continue fight and after GLORIOUS 7 sec... i am dead coz of stam lost...
PVP IS A TRASH and u CANT ENJOY it as i did for years... [snip]
i play different game that gonna have official release soon and i have 50 ping... in fights ... where is more players in one fort than in whole cyrodiil...
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btw. check youtube how many ppl post teirs 1vX today and how many did it in 2019 ... finally... in 2019 there was ALOT of ppl looking for competetive pvp ... todays re only zerlgings coz normal fights doesnt exist coz of lags and fps drops.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 23, 2021 11:51AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, too many stuns in PvE. Most are simply tedious unfun annoyances but sometimes they can be deadly. I have died more than once soloing normal Arx Corinium from the Wamasu boss, who with insufficient notice, stuns you, then can stun you again before you can get up - effectively stun-locking you. And if you don't have full health, decent mitigation and a HoT going when it happens, it can kill you while you helplessly writhe on the ground spamming break free to no avail.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
Pauwer✭✭✭✭✭Me and my guild mates all agree that immoveable potions do not always work. I wish i could post videos or something, it so obvious it is not working right.0
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Extinct_Solo_Player✭✭✭✭✭its due to the server being unable to handle the request. there has been moments where i have been cc'd and unable to break at all and its due to the server 100%4