Non-Combat Pets - A Suggestion
RapidUrsa
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I, like a lot of people on this game enjoy the role playing aspect of this game and a lot of my characters follow this for example with my werewolf build!
I recently unlocked the solitude Wolf pet and when I was in combat after something occurred to me that I now cannot unsee.
When myself and my ally got ambushed by a bear my new wolf companion just stands there like he is waiting for me to die! My suggestion would be could there be an “pet attack option” in the menu so that they join in? This would cause no damage or bonuses to the player but rather than having a brain dead pet stand there it would add to the experience by having them join in?
What are everyone thought on this incase I over looked something?
I recently unlocked the solitude Wolf pet and when I was in combat after something occurred to me that I now cannot unsee.
When myself and my ally got ambushed by a bear my new wolf companion just stands there like he is waiting for me to die! My suggestion would be could there be an “pet attack option” in the menu so that they join in? This would cause no damage or bonuses to the player but rather than having a brain dead pet stand there it would add to the experience by having them join in?
What are everyone thought on this incase I over looked something?
About Me
Xbox One - EU
Gamertag - RapidUrsa
Overall CP - 500
Gamertag - RapidUrsa
Overall CP - 500
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GenjiraX✭✭✭✭✭Well, atm I think they just have one animation set for a pet (when not running after you) that it does regardless of your actions. They’d have to create new ‘in combat’ animations for all the pets based on which enemy you currently have targeted. It’d be nice if pets could run about barking or squawking or hissing at the enemy but I think the devs have more important issues to address.5 -
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✭I, like a lot of people on this game enjoy the role playing aspect of this game and a lot of my characters follow this for example with my werewolf build!
I recently unlocked the solitude Wolf pet and when I was in combat after something occurred to me that I now cannot unsee.
When myself and my ally got ambushed by a bear my new wolf companion just stands there like he is waiting for me to die! My suggestion would be could there be an “pet attack option” in the menu so that they join in? This would cause no damage or bonuses to the player but rather than having a brain dead pet stand there it would add to the experience by having them join in?
What are everyone thought on this incase I over looked something?
I don't know, I kind of like the whole "stupidly watching pet"-idea. Reminds me of the owl in Bladerunner, when Roy kills his creator (sorry for spoiler). 3:)1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@RapidUrsa I share your desire for an option to turn on 'pet helps in combat' where, as you say, the pet tries to help (while doing and taking zero damage) for roleplaying purposes. I won't use pets like wolves and big cats for exactly this reason. It seems particularly 'in your face' if I use the warden bear and Solitude wolf - a big helpful bear and a big do-nothing wolf. So for roleplaying purposes, I only use naturally passive pets like the fennec fox, butterflies and nyxads.PC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo4 -
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✭Wish they did something, either charge and attack (doing no actual damage) or curl up in fear (like some quest NPCs). Again - more server load.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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crazy talk..if pets made a ruckus every time you were in combat I'd never use 1 again and would require a pet put away check at the start of every pug dungeonIt’d be nice if pets could run about barking or squawking or hissing at the enemy but I think the devs have more important issues to address.
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PrimeSeptim✭✭✭Good idea actually.
I mean you have all these pets cluttering the place, yet all they do is stand there and do nothing.
What's the point? At least make them more alive or even interactive. Wouldn't it be cool if you could
feed them or even pet them? What about pet battles? C'mon let's get a little bit more creative here!2 -
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✭I rather like this idea, it's an obvious reaction of most predator type pets.2 -
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✭✭Now that they have a companion system, I wonder if we will see some combat pets animal companions in the future.2 -
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✭I for one agree that there needs to be more function for non-combat pets. Maybe a mini-game or something or something else that they can participate in to give them something to do other than sit in my collections where they'll stay forever.
Combat, however, was not what I had in mind for non-combat pets.
Maybe send them out on expeditions instead? Have them bring back items or something. Or help us with digging up antiquities, I dunno.Owner and proprietor of the Northern Elsweyr Guar Reserve and The Hunting Grounds Guar Reserve, Tamriel's home to all things guar.See the embedded brochures for all information regarding our reserves, as well as our collection status!0 -
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✭✭✭✭Sounds more like a Companion idea
Also can we please just get skins for summonable pets like the Warden Bear??2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Really wouldn't care for that. Too much stuff going on at that point. Distracting.0 -
InaMoonlight✭✭✭✭✭That's one of the reasons I prefer the cubs, and other animals I can explain away not helping out. When I get tempted into one of the larger anyway, I tell myself that it's recovering from an old injury...
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✭✭✭✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »That's one of the reasons I prefer the cubs, and other animals I can explain away not helping out. When I get tempted into one of the larger anyway, I tell myself that it's recovering from an old injury...
I like it!0 -
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✭✭InaMoonlight wrote: »That's one of the reasons I prefer the cubs, and other animals I can explain away not helping out. When I get tempted into one of the larger anyway, I tell myself that it's recovering from an old injury...
ha or that it has the sense not to attack the huge dangerous beast that we're fighting...dog sees dragon with 15 mil hp and like nope sorry you're on your own
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✭✭✭✭✭adriant1978 wrote: »Now that they have a companion system, I wonder if we will see some combat pets animal companions in the future.
That would be a NO. The point of Companions was to have a PERSON as your companion, someone you gain rapport with, eventually do Companion quests with, etc. That cannot translate to 'animal' companion... because it would be [snip] totally immersion breaking IMO. "Oh, I have this pet Companion who talks to me and wants my help in a quest". Yeah, no. We have WARDEN and SORCERER if we want combat 'pets'.
[edited for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 24, 2021 1:08PMCP: 1965 ** ESO+ Gold Road ** ~~ Stamina Arcanist ~~ Magicka Warden ~~ Magicka Templar ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****0 -
adriant1978✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The point of Companions was to have a PERSON as your companion, someone you gain rapport with, eventually do Companion quests with, etc. That cannot translate to 'animal' companion... because it would be [snip] totally immersion breaking IMO. "Oh, I have this pet Companion who talks to me and wants my help in a quest".
I didn't mean a literal talking dog, just that the support for companions which now exists in the game engine could easily be extended into animal training and such.
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✭✭✭✭✭adriant1978 wrote: »Now that they have a companion system, I wonder if we will see some combat pets animal companions in the future.
I agree. I'd love to have a companion who is a Wyress (Witch of the Wyrd) in permanent wolf form like one that you briefly quest with in (I think) Bangkorai. The one we quested with was voiced and had a full personality.
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M_Volsung✭✭✭✭✭wants "non-combat pet" to do combat
Try reading the post.My suggestion would be could there be an “pet attack option” in the menu so that they join in? This would cause no damage or bonuses to the player but rather than having a brain dead pet stand there it would add to the experience by having them join in?
"In the Deep Halls, Far from Men;
Forsaken Red Mountain, Twisted Kin;
Hail the Mind, Hail the Stone;
Dwarven Pride, Stronger than Bone"
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Bethgael✭✭✭AcadianPaladin wrote: »@RapidUrsa I share your desire for an option to turn on 'pet helps in combat' where, as you say, the pet tries to help (while doing and taking zero damage) for roleplaying purposes. I won't use pets like wolves and big cats for exactly this reason. It seems particularly 'in your face' if I use the warden bear and Solitude wolf - a big helpful bear and a big do-nothing wolf. So for roleplaying purposes, I only use naturally passive pets like the fennec fox, butterflies and nyxads.
I do like my big cats and wolves and whatnot, so I use them, but I have to headcanon it. My nord warden's dire [Solitude] wolf Alessia is in a snit because of the bear, and she'd be happy to see the stupid human just die, most days. My bosmer girl's black senche panther cub Ryath grew up (into a striped senche panther, of course), and he is too lazy to fight, so she's now threatening to ride him. He's thinking about it, but I suspect he'll be her next mount at the rate he's going...
That sort of thing.
I do like the OP's idea. A bit more "RP" in the RPG (without having to go full-out RP Guild in normal game play) is never a Bad Thing.Ingame ID: Bethgael PC NA/EU but mostly NA0 -
E-Zekiel✭✭✭You could have your pet do a "combat stance". Most non combat pets are creatures that have combat stances.
This is done in FFXIV with the little minion pets and is actually a generally good idea. They don't need to "fake attack", that's probably more labor than it's worth, but having them detect combat active yes/no and adopting a combat stance that their skeleton already has I think would be pretty easy and a nice addition.0 -
Ajaxandriel✭✭✭✭✭JoDiMageio wrote: »I hate to state the obvious, but they are called "non-combat pets"...
Thisadriant1978 wrote: »Now that they have a companion system, I wonder if we will see some combat pets animal companions in the future.
It could be a good idea to get more customizable skills as Warden (hawk instead of cliffracer, wolf or welwa instead of bear...)
And to get a brand new skill line for combat pets, with a unique way to get a one - related to the backstory we chose for our character, depending on the fauna of the "birth" zone, like, a Dunmer would get a Morrowind creature far easier.
For this purpose I would rather have a "FLEE" animation that have the non-combat pet hiding away from the fight.When myself and my ally got ambushed by a bear my new wolf companion just stands there like he is waiting for me to die! My suggestion would be could there be an “pet attack option” in the menu so that they join in? This would cause no damage or bonuses to the player but rather than having a brain dead pet stand there it would add to the experience by having them join in?
What are everyone thought on this incase I over looked something?
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