Damage shields

eMKa8

Do a lot of players use a damage shield proc or iceheart set when in PvP ?

Knowing it only has half the value it does become less interesting doesnt it ?
Is the damage shield also halved ?

What are better ways to protect yourself ?

Septimus_Magna

eMKa8 wrote: »

How do you mean ? @divnyi

Dont you prefer hardened ward over dampen magic ? If you are a sorcerer why dont you use that instead ?

Why is it difficult to hit the cap when the shield is halved ? Shouldnt it be twice as easy then ?

Lets say you have 20K health —-> at 60% you have a shield of 12K
That halved is a shield of 6 K

Or am i am completely wrong about that ? ;-)

The shield size scales off your max magicka but is capped at 60% health in both PVE and PVP.
Lets say you have 25k health and a high enough magicka pool that you get a 20k shield, this gets capped at 15k because your shield cannot be bigger than 60% health.

In PVP you first have the limiting factor of the battle spirit, your 20k shield will be 10k in Cyrodiil. This is less than 60% health so it does not get reduced any more.

Keep in mind that shields copy the amount of armor and crit resist you have so its useful to use buffs like Boundless Storm to increase your armor rating.

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

Do a lot of players use a damage shield proc or iceheart set when in PvP ?

No.

Knowing it only has half the value it does become less interesting doesnt it ?

Most of the shields from armor sets have been overnerfed (for PvP) and are not worth it.

Is the damage shield also halved ?

Yes.

What are better ways to protect yourself ?

You are a magsorc. You use shields (skills). You push your max mag as high as you possibly can. The Phoenix set has a 1 min cooldown. A 24K shield is 12K in PvP. That's nothing. That's as large as your Hardened Ward should be in CP PvP. You can and will have to sometimes spam your shield skills. Phoenix = 1x shield every 1min. It has some nice 2,3,4 buffs, but it's 5-piece bonus is crap. A gimmick. If you want a better set that is similar, use Juggernaut. If you want to be a bit tanky as a sorc and not just every 1 min, probably Armor Master. However, as I've said over in another thread, lookup Malcolm on YouTube. He will tell you whether Armor Master is still any good or whether he now prefers something else. Be sure to watch his most recent magsorc build video, not one for an older patch.

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

@fred4

Is mother sorrow a good set for pvp ?
It is the one set i always use … but i have the feeling that inpen negates the crit ?

Answered. See other threads you made.

fred4

Leaving jewelry Arcane on a magsorc is just fine. I wouldn't spend transmutes.

moo_2021

eMKa8 wrote: »

The glyph hardening is not a good glyph i imagine due to half value ? Is it better to go offense and go fire enchant instead ?

glyph hardening is only activated within 4 or 5s after you hit any enemy.

I wore gold glyphs on both bars, infused weapons, torug with shield cp bonus. The result? Like crit surge and ring of pale order they're completely useless to me, being a PvP newbie.

Because unlike in PvE, enemies don't stay in AoE boundary and it's almost impossible to keep hitting them (or hit them every 4s), while their attacks are usually bursts when your shield is down, which means you need burst heal and/or high continuous healing.

Zabagad

eMKa8 wrote: »

@fred4

Here is a question for you !
Shields (all of them) scale off to max magicka right.

What if i would put both shields on one bar , would it be very important then to have my max magicka modifiers (such as bound aegis and inner light on that bar as well)?

Do shields scale of to max magicka of the backbar or the frontbar ?

What is important to think about when setting up your abilities on front and back ? And your backbar weapon ?

PS : i tested shield size on front and backbar (with backbar having the max magicka modifiers) and it seemed to stay the same apparantly …..

Could your shield change value when swapping bars ?

Lots of questions …

Ps2: still amazed by your home in summerset ;-)
Hate the carpets though

Not all shields - some scale of max. health - for example undaunted boneshield.
They scale based on the stats on the bar where you cast them.
Test them in PvP area - otherwise your max. health will mostly be the bottleneck and limit the size.

If you need no skills, you can use "bound aegis and inner light " on both bars
I have no space for one of them on any bar

divnyi

https://youtu.be/445qCX7aJec

Just made a vid about my sorc healer that abuses huge shields to survive. Build is in the description.

Fawn4287

Bloodspawn and pirate skeleton would be far better options in terms of defensive monster sets, pariah would be the meta for a 5 piece however swift would also work nicely especially on a mag build.

divnyi

Damage shields are halved, but healing itself is halved too. So count damage shields as burst healing you can apply beforehand, so you can negate burst.

Shields are mostly used by players who stack magica. Best class for that is sorc, since you can have double magica bonuses with Bound Armor and Inner Light, as well as another shield (except light armor one).

Vevvev

As a Dragonknight I don't have very many damage shields and the ones I do have scale off health. The Light armor damage shield stops at 50% HP unless you get the morph to make it a little higher, and as such I don't really find it all that useful unless paired with something else.

Now back in the day when Reviving Barrier cost 200 ultimate instead of 250 I used it pretty much all the time. It is still very powerful but the increased cost might make you see less use out of it, and the Resto staff ultimate is better for that burst of defensive power and far cheaper to. Unless you have tons of magicka and can stack several shields on top of each other like a Sorcerer can it's more of a situational thing than a core defensive tactic for many classes.

divnyi

Vevvev wrote: »

As a Dragonknight I don't have very many damage shields and the ones I do have scale off health. The Light armor damage shield stops at 50% HP unless you get the morph to make it a little higher, and as such I don't really find it all that useful unless paired with something else.

Bear in mind that with the shields cut by 2, it is really really hard to hit the cap. I have a sorc with 50k magica and 20k HP and I'm still not hitting 60% cap of dampen magic (tho I'm really close).

eMKa8

How do you mean ? @divnyi

Dont you prefer hardened ward over dampen magic ? If you are a sorcerer why dont you use that instead ?

Why is it difficult to hit the cap when the shield is halved ? Shouldnt it be twice as easy then ?

Lets say you have 20K health —-> at 60% you have a shield of 12K
That halved is a shield of 6 K

Or am i am completely wrong about that ? ;-)

divnyi

eMKa8 wrote: »

How do you mean ? @divnyi

Dont you prefer hardened ward over dampen magic ? If you are a sorcerer why dont you use that instead ?

Why is it difficult to hit the cap when the shield is halved ? Shouldnt it be twice as easy then ?

Lets say you have 20K health —-> at 60% you have a shield of 12K
That halved is a shield of 6 K

Or am i am completely wrong about that ? ;-)

Hardened Ward have exactly the same stats as Dampen Magic. I run Empowered Ward + Dampen Magic, because 10s shield is much more timing-forgiving, you practically never run without shield. And I also stack magica recovery, so it helps too.

At 20k health 60% is 12k cap, but shield tooltips are halved already in PvP, unlike healing. Thus, you can actually stack up to 12k shield. I do 10.5k shield. It is the same as 21k healing that can overheal - it is a whole lot. The only thing that keeps you in check is light armor making you very squishy. Other than that, I run at effective ~38k HP, and like that's not enough, I also run Ward Ally on backbar.

It is not typical sorc, mind you, I am a healer. Will make a vid one day.. once I get some footage. Need some good teammates for that, soloQ on healer is painful experience.

eMKa8

divnyi wrote: »

eMKa8 wrote: »

How do you mean ? @divnyi

Dont you prefer hardened ward over dampen magic ? If you are a sorcerer why dont you use that instead ?

Why is it difficult to hit the cap when the shield is halved ? Shouldnt it be twice as easy then ?

Lets say you have 20K health —-> at 60% you have a shield of 12K
That halved is a shield of 6 K

Or am i am completely wrong about that ? ;-)

Hardened Ward have exactly the same stats as Dampen Magic. I run Empowered Ward + Dampen Magic, because 10s shield is much more timing-forgiving, you practically never run without shield. And I also stack magica recovery, so it helps too.

At 20k health 60% is 12k cap, but shield tooltips are halved already in PvP, unlike healing. Thus, you can actually stack up to 12k shield. I do 10.5k shield. It is the same as 21k healing that can overheal - it is a whole lot. The only thing that keeps you in check is light armor making you very squishy. Other than that, I run at effective ~38k HP, and like that's not enough, I also run Ward Ally on backbar.

It is not typical sorc, mind you, I am a healer. Will make a vid one day.. once I get some footage. Need some good teammates for that, soloQ on healer is painful experience.

Would it be better to run Rapid Regenaration (healing) then empowered ward ?
Note i use the phoenix set so unless someone uses a executer skill , then i will receive the 24K damage shield proccing from that set!

So would it then be better to have the ward to make sure players cant easily execute me quickly ?

Or better to have the healing slotted from rapid regenaration to heal back up ?

eMKa8

The glyph hardening is not a good glyph i imagine due to half value ? Is it better to go offense and go fire enchant instead ?

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

divnyi wrote: »

eMKa8 wrote: »

How do you mean ? @divnyi

Dont you prefer hardened ward over dampen magic ? If you are a sorcerer why dont you use that instead ?

Why is it difficult to hit the cap when the shield is halved ? Shouldnt it be twice as easy then ?

Lets say you have 20K health —-> at 60% you have a shield of 12K
That halved is a shield of 6 K

Or am i am completely wrong about that ? ;-)

Hardened Ward have exactly the same stats as Dampen Magic. I run Empowered Ward + Dampen Magic, because 10s shield is much more timing-forgiving, you practically never run without shield. And I also stack magica recovery, so it helps too.

At 20k health 60% is 12k cap, but shield tooltips are halved already in PvP, unlike healing. Thus, you can actually stack up to 12k shield. I do 10.5k shield. It is the same as 21k healing that can overheal - it is a whole lot. The only thing that keeps you in check is light armor making you very squishy. Other than that, I run at effective ~38k HP, and like that's not enough, I also run Ward Ally on backbar.

It is not typical sorc, mind you, I am a healer. Will make a vid one day.. once I get some footage. Need some good teammates for that, soloQ on healer is painful experience.

Would it be better to run Rapid Regenaration (healing) then empowered ward ?

Both Rapid Regen and Healing Ward are viable. If you are at low health, then Healing Ward is stronger. As a sorc you also have other shields. Hardened Ward at the very least. Harness Magicka or Dampen Magic as well. It is somewhat viable as a magsorc to be at very low health for a few seconds, as long as you keep your shields up. Casting your other shield(s) first, followed by Healing Ward should give you a stronger heal than Rapid Regen in that scenario. In general Rapid Regen is a somewhat proactive skill. You may cast it as you go on attack, before leaving the back bar. Healing Ward is a purely reactive skill. You only cast it, if you have taken damage. That's the main difference. That and Healing Ward being stronger when cast at low health.

Note i use the phoenix set so unless someone uses a executer skill , then i will receive the 24K damage shield proccing from that set!

12K in PvP. Every one minute. You will grow out of that set, believe me .

So would it then be better to have the ward to make sure players cant easily execute me quickly ?
Or better to have the healing slotted from rapid regenaration to heal back up ?

You will have one or two shields - Hardened Ward or both Hardened Ward and Harness Magicka / Dampen Magic.

You will very likely want one heal. It is possible to play without a heal and only heal from Critical Surge, but it's not great. Your one heal can be one of: Healing Ward, Rapid Regen, Twilight Matriarch, maybe the Clannfear. This is a question of trying long term and see what you prefer ... or watching a lot of Malcolm.

eMKa8

Is the ultimate dampen gen not expensive to use it as a skill ? That means you cant use an attack skill instead ? The shield which is cut in half doesnt seem to be worth it for an ultimate …

I have the ultimate of psijic order slotted and block sometimes which gives a shield of 2,5K + 5% less damage taken

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

Is the ultimate dampen gen not expensive to use it as a skill ? That means you cant use an attack skill instead ? The shield which is cut in half doesnt seem to be worth it for an ultimate …

I have the ultimate of psijic order slotted and block sometimes which gives a shield of 2,5K + 5% less damage taken

Dampen Magic = Harness Magicka = Light Armor Damage Shield Skill morphs.

If you're talking about the Barrier ultimate: Don't use that. In general: Don't use defensive ultimates at all, unless you really really have to. You need your offensive ultimates to kill people. There is however one reason to slot the Barrier ultimate on the back bar: For the passive magicka regen buff (alliance skill line passive). However the Psijic ult is more popular and rightfully so.

eMKa8

fred4 wrote: »

eMKa8 wrote: »

Is the ultimate dampen gen not expensive to use it as a skill ? That means you cant use an attack skill instead ? The shield which is cut in half doesnt seem to be worth it for an ultimate …

I have the ultimate of psijic order slotted and block sometimes which gives a shield of 2,5K + 5% less damage taken

Dampen Magic = Harness Magicka = Light Armor Damage Shield Skill morphs.

If you're talking about the Barrier ultimate: Don't use that. In general: Don't use defensive ultimates at all, unless you really really have to. You need your offensive ultimates to kill people. There is however one reason to slot the Barrier ultimate on the back bar: For the passive magicka regen buff (alliance skill line passive). However the Psijic ult is more popular and rightfully so.

Oooooh , i thought all armor skills were ultimates ;-)
LOL !!!!

Thanks ! By the way … are you on pc europe ? I would like to add you then as friend !

eMKa8

@fred4

Is mother sorrow a good set for pvp ?
It is the one set i always use … but i have the feeling that inpen negates the crit ?

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

eMKa8 wrote: »

Is the ultimate dampen gen not expensive to use it as a skill ? That means you cant use an attack skill instead ? The shield which is cut in half doesnt seem to be worth it for an ultimate …

I have the ultimate of psijic order slotted and block sometimes which gives a shield of 2,5K + 5% less damage taken

Dampen Magic = Harness Magicka = Light Armor Damage Shield Skill morphs.

If you're talking about the Barrier ultimate: Don't use that. In general: Don't use defensive ultimates at all, unless you really really have to. You need your offensive ultimates to kill people. There is however one reason to slot the Barrier ultimate on the back bar: For the passive magicka regen buff (alliance skill line passive). However the Psijic ult is more popular and rightfully so.

Oooooh , i thought all armor skills were ultimates ;-)
LOL !!!!

Thanks ! By the way … are you on pc europe ? I would like to add you then as friend !

I am @fred4 on PC EU. You can add me, if you want. However, if you are not Ebonheart Pact, then I will have to kill you .

eMKa8

Oooooh , i thought all armor skills were ultimates ;-)
LOL !!!!

Thanks ! By the way … are you on pc europe ? I would like to add you then as friend !

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I am @fred4 on PC EU. You can add me, if you want. However, if you are not Ebonheart Pact, then I will have to kill you .[/quote]

LoooooooooooL

Haha , then ill have to shield up , get into mist form , then use vanish potions and then use the emote /playdead ….


Hahhahahha

I am @eMKa8 on PC EU .
Ill add you next time i am on

eMKa8

If i only have 20% spell crit and i use force shock (3damages) , do i then have 60% chance of healing for 3300 health (with critical surge) for every hit ?

Wow that is insane !!

eMKa8

Oh and … about jewelry. Someone said to go all in with infused and then mag regen or tristat regen

What are your thoughts.
I will watch malcolm videos later today , thanks for letting me know about him

@fred4

eMKa8

fred4 wrote: »

Leaving jewelry Arcane on a magsorc is just fine. I wouldn't spend transmutes.

Which enchants ?
I usually go for spell damage … but thats maybe pve ?

fred4

eMKa8 wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

Leaving jewelry Arcane on a magsorc is just fine. I wouldn't spend transmutes.

Which enchants ?
I usually go for spell damage … but thats maybe pve ?

Magicka Recovery! Do not build for spell damage. Whenever you could build for spell damage, ask yourself: How can I get magicka instead! This means you get magicka recovery from your jewelry enchants, because you're going to use (almost) every other mnethod you could use to get magicka. You can't get magicka from jewelry enchants.

fred4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg11iVLhg58

eMKa8

fred4 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg11iVLhg58

Was already midway ;-)

Added you on pc eu by the way!
Not sure if you received the invite

geonsocal

dang @fred4 ...you weren't kidding - excellent informative build vid...

eMKa8

geonsocal wrote: »

dang @fred4 ...you weren't kidding - excellent informative build vid...

Haha lol

eMKa8

@fred4

Here is a question for you !
Shields (all of them) scale off to max magicka right.

What if i would put both shields on one bar , would it be very important then to have my max magicka modifiers (such as bound aegis and inner light on that bar as well)?

Do shields scale of to max magicka of the backbar or the frontbar ?

What is important to think about when setting up your abilities on front and back ? And your backbar weapon ?

PS : i tested shield size on front and backbar (with backbar having the max magicka modifiers) and it seemed to stay the same apparantly …..

Could your shield change value when swapping bars ?

Lots of questions …

Ps2: still amazed by your home in summerset ;-)
Hate the carpets though