Problem with "Kill x ___" Endeavors

SickleCider

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

virtus753

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was in a group with a friend and both Mirris yesterday. We killed one giant (not near any other giant) and both got credit, even though only one of the four of us could have gotten the killing blow.

I wonder if there is instead a damage threshold to reach for credit.

waterfairy

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

SickleCider

virtus753 wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was in a group with a friend and both Mirris yesterday. We killed one giant (not near any other giant) and both got credit, even though only one of the four of us could have gotten the killing blow.

I wonder if there is instead a damage threshold to reach for credit.

Hmm, I'm not sure! The other friend in the group and I haven't been reliable sources of data for that, because we both nuke things from orbit. We hadn't run into a situation where we'd done roughly equal parts damage before a thing died yet.

I'm glad it worked out like that for you! Thank you for the insight. Your theory demonstrates roughly the same problem with the endeavors. It should be like the dragons--if you tag it, it counts.

SickleCider

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

SirAndy

There's a Lonely Giant in the public dungeon in the Rift.

He's part of the group event so you also get a skill point from killing him (if this is your first time).

jaws343

You also don't need to kill giants specifically, I killed the large minotuar world boss in Blackwood and that counted as a giant.

SickleCider

jaws343 wrote: »

You also don't need to kill giants specifically, I killed the large minotuar world boss in Blackwood and that counted as a giant.

Oh, minotaurs, really? Thanks for the insight! We'll keep that in mind the next time this particular one rolls around. That gives me more ideas about where we can take her.

waterfairy

jaws343 wrote: »

You also don't need to kill giants specifically, I killed the large minotuar world boss in Blackwood and that counted as a giant.

ha nice good to know for the future.
I took a few steps from my front door of hunters glade and killed a giant...it took me longer to load in then to find and kill a giant lol

TequilaFire

May be my imagination but when I get kill X creatures say like plant creatures I go to Blackwood where normally there is a spriggan behind every tree, and there are none, at least very few.
Makes me think conspiracy. lmao

LuffyGing

Well it doesn't have to be a 'giant-giant.' I was running around Wrothgar coz can't remember where's the giant spawn and accidentally killed Ogre and it count as a giant... i didn't know Ogre is a giant.

virtus753

Versispellis wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was in a group with a friend and both Mirris yesterday. We killed one giant (not near any other giant) and both got credit, even though only one of the four of us could have gotten the killing blow.

I wonder if there is instead a damage threshold to reach for credit.

Hmm, I'm not sure! The other friend in the group and I haven't been reliable sources of data for that, because we both nuke things from orbit. We hadn't run into a situation where we'd done roughly equal parts damage before a thing died yet.

I'm glad it worked out like that for you! Thank you for the insight. Your theory demonstrates roughly the same problem with the endeavors. It should be like the dragons--if you tag it, it counts.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised it worked out that way myself. I had been trying to level Mirri and forgot she can killsteal, although one of the devs did say they were working to make sure endeavors did not require the killing blow (at least for killing players — not too sure about mobs).

There’s been a lot of inconsistency in general with endeavor descriptions and requirements (e.g. light attacks do not count as a weapon ability for endeavors but do for the soul magic passive). I hope they get it sorted.

In the meantime, perhaps Lonely Giant in the Lion’s Den might be easier to test if this one pops up again? I’m not sure how crowded that boss was during the endeavor. I imagine most people are trying to farm the regular giants in the Rift and possibly Wrothgar (which is where I got mine). There are also WB giants in the Rift and Eastmarch, but they’re easier to get to and therefore more likely to be camped.

Best of luck!

FlopsyPrince

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

Some people will oppose any request. It seems to be in their nature here.

SickleCider

Vigarr wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

You also don't need to kill giants specifically, I killed the large minotuar world boss in Blackwood and that counted as a giant.

ha nice good to know for the future.
I took a few steps from my front door of hunters glade and killed a giant...it took me longer to load in then to find and kill a giant lol

I did that same exact thing and it was super quick! The fact that it was so difficult to get it for her later was a real head scratcher.

jle30303

I believe that in fact, it's *companions* that are stealing your kills - I've had no credit from kills by a companion even when there were no other players present: other times I'm pretty sure I've had credit for the kill when I damaged an enemy but another player got the killing blow, even if I wasn't grouped with them.

It may even be that other players' companions are your problem.

SickleCider

virtus753 wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was in a group with a friend and both Mirris yesterday. We killed one giant (not near any other giant) and both got credit, even though only one of the four of us could have gotten the killing blow.

I wonder if there is instead a damage threshold to reach for credit.

Hmm, I'm not sure! The other friend in the group and I haven't been reliable sources of data for that, because we both nuke things from orbit. We hadn't run into a situation where we'd done roughly equal parts damage before a thing died yet.

I'm glad it worked out like that for you! Thank you for the insight. Your theory demonstrates roughly the same problem with the endeavors. It should be like the dragons--if you tag it, it counts.

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised it worked out that way myself. I had been trying to level Mirri and forgot she can killsteal, although one of the devs did say they were working to make sure endeavors did not require the killing blow (at least for killing players — not too sure about mobs).

There’s been a lot of inconsistency in general with endeavor descriptions and requirements (e.g. light attacks do not count as a weapon ability for endeavors but do for the soul magic passive). I hope they get it sorted.

In the meantime, perhaps Lonely Giant in the Lion’s Den might be easier to test if this one pops up again? I’m not sure how crowded that boss was during the endeavor. I imagine most people are trying to farm the regular giants in the Rift and possibly Wrothgar (which is where I got mine). There are also WB giants in the Rift and Eastmarch, but they’re easier to get to and therefore more likely to be camped.

Best of luck!

You're right, about the inconsistency. It feels like a bit of mystery solving is required for some of the tasks. It's usually okay. I'm glad to hear that they're looking into tweaking the requirements. I guess that makes this post a little superfluous. 🤣

Thank you for all the insights and ideas! I want to grab "other friend" really late at night sometime to test how credit is given on some bosses now.

waterfairy

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

AcadianPaladin

I wonder if killing Lyris Titanborn would count. . . .

SickleCider

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

waterfairy

TequilaFire wrote: »

May be my imagination but when I get kill X creatures say like plant creatures I go to Blackwood where normally there is a spriggan behind every tree, and there are none, at least very few.
Makes me think conspiracy. lmao

lol you know what feels like conspiracy? that once I got mirri I was accidentally grabbing bugs in the way that I never have before

waterfairy

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

SirAndy

virtus753 wrote: »

In the meantime, perhaps Lonely Giant in the Lion’s Den might be easier to test if this one pops up again? I’m not sure how crowded that boss was during the endeavor.

@virtus753
It was completely empty when i ran through there.
I was on a mule char that is currently on a skyshard hunt to get some more usable skill points.

The giant and the two mammoth are easily soloed since they spawn in sequence.

SickleCider

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

I guess for me it's the lopsidedness of it. You're not wrong that most of them are braindead simple. I'd honestly prefer more difficult tasks that rewarded more seals instead of ticking off more trivial boxes every day. I suppose I was just. . . a bit annoyed? that we were getting hung up on an uninteresting task for no good reason.

SickleCider

SirAndy wrote: »

virtus753 wrote: »

In the meantime, perhaps Lonely Giant in the Lion’s Den might be easier to test if this one pops up again? I’m not sure how crowded that boss was during the endeavor.

@virtus753
It was completely empty when i ran through there.
I was on a mule char that is currently on a skyshard hunt to get some more usable skill points.

The giant and the two mammoth are easily soloed since they spawn in sequence.

I really wish we had thought to go there now.

waterfairy

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

I guess for me it's the lopsidedness of it. You're not wrong that most of them are braindead simple. I'd honestly prefer more difficult tasks that rewarded more seals instead of ticking off more trivial boxes every day. I suppose I was just. . . a bit annoyed? that we were getting hung up on an uninteresting task for no good reason.

lol I hear you. Maybe next time you want to help your friend, put away companions then just tank and hold taunt til your friend tickles them to death

Eiregirl

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

I see a flaw when some low level tries to kill something and someone with 1500+ CP knocks it out in 3 seconds and the poor low level gets no credit for it. Perhaps people should endeavor to help each other.

waterfairy

Eiregirl wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

I see a flaw when some low level tries to kill something and someone with 1500+ CP knocks it out in 3 seconds and the poor low level gets no credit for it. Perhaps people should endeavor to help each other.

true but decency is rare in game and irl

It's like how I saw an enemy player solo fighting a boss in IC so I left them alone then got ganked by them a moment later while I was walking away

LurgidBean

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was on a low level with 2 high level friends to complete this endeavor. After the first 2 giants didn't count for me, they just LA/bashed the next 2 and it still didn't tick.
I logged into my main and we went to kill a giant, still in group, and it counted.
From that experience, plus your report, it seems you have to meet a dps threshold if you are not soloing it. Low levels can't compete with CP characters if it's a certain level of damage you have to complete.

SickleCider

Vigarr wrote: »

Eiregirl wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

there's lots of giants in many zones and you only had to kill 1

Indeed. We did get it for her, eventually, but the way that credit for that particular endeavor is calculated is still flawed. I hadn't even considered the potential problem with it until last night.

Edit: I had a thought just now. I have a feeling you've jumped on this because there's been a rash of complaints about endeavor tasks lately. I'm not in that camp. I think the endeavors have been absolutely great and I like the variety of tasks they've put in. I'm only speaking up about this one because the way it's calculated does needlessly impair functionality.

I can't speak for others but I commented because this was an easy endeavor to get with so many giants in the world...even a couple of WB's. It's impossible to believe that every giant was camped in every zone...they're in eastmarch, the rift, western skyrim, wrothgar, etc. etc.

Difficulty =/= impossibility. I'm pointing out an inherent and needless flaw in the system that resulted in my friend having to hop around zones and scout various spawns. It was easy for me (damage), but not for her. Yes, we did find a giant that wasn't camped, but we shouldn't have had to. That's my point.

I understand but it's an endeavor not a login reward...I don't see a flaw in poor dps struggling or any difficulty associated with any endeavor. In fact I think some of them are too easy "give me's" but that's a discussion for another thread

I see a flaw when some low level tries to kill something and someone with 1500+ CP knocks it out in 3 seconds and the poor low level gets no credit for it. Perhaps people should endeavor to help each other.

true but decency is rare in game and irl

It's like how I saw an enemy player solo fighting a boss in IC so I left them alone then got ganked by them a moment later while I was walking away

It is rare, but we shouldn't acquiesce to that fact.

I need to go make lunch, so I'm dipping. I just want you to know I don't necessarily disagree with some of the points you made but I still hold an opinion about this. Cheers!

waterfairy

LurgidBean wrote: »

Versispellis wrote: »

Please change these so that you don't have to get the killing blow. We ran into a problem trying to get a low DPS friend her giant kill yesterday. Every spawn location that we could think of was flooded with players and people weren't being cordial. Lots of them were stealing kills from her even after they had finished off yonder giant.

I was on a low level with 2 high level friends to complete this endeavor. After the first 2 giants didn't count for me, they just LA/bashed the next 2 and it still didn't tick.
I logged into my main and we went to kill a giant, still in group, and it counted.
From that experience, plus your report, it seems you have to meet a dps threshold if you are not soloing it. Low levels can't compete with CP characters if it's a certain level of damage you have to complete.

seems like dolmen and wb rules apply then

dinokstrunz

Do a different endeavour then? I thought people liked choices around here lol.