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HOW and WHEN are you going to "fix" the bombers?
darvaria
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I want a projection. Will be like the no proc? 2 months or so? We need a direct answer here from ZOS.
And it will be "fixed". A question of WHEN and HOW.
And it will be "fixed". A question of WHEN and HOW.
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DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I can help you fix them.
Step one: Don't stand directly on the flag you're flipping.
Step two: Identify and avoid friendly squishies! If they're under 25k hp, be far away.
Step three: If you must be on a flag, keep defensive buffs up and block. The entirety of a bomber's normal combo is blockable (proxy, sap, lotus fan, even the ult!), so block!
Let me know if these steps would help your situation.32 -
darvaria✭✭✭✭✭^This does NOT "fix" anything
How about we are repping a keep door and get bombed. This is NOT playing within the objectives fo the game. ZOS will fix this .. it's a question of when and how.
One hit shouldn't hit you for 12K, 18k, 14K, 20K.
I have 34K health, 3k impen. Something is wrong here. Could be some sort of player "intervention".
There should be nothing that keeps you from repping keep doors. How can you stay apart at the doors? How can you block and repair? Its everywhere and is ruining the game.
This is interfering with normal game play. And it will be "fixed".Edited by darvaria on July 1, 2021 6:21AM3 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bombing has existed in the game since very early on. It’s a play style that has high risk and high reward and shouldn’t be “fixed”. There are things you can do to limit a bombers effectiveness already like not stacking, clearing keeps fully after flipping etc. If a bomber still gets you so what that’s their play style and objective.17 -
Kaysha✭✭✭✭I think that bombing door repairs is absolutly normal game play. And no, I don‘t play a bomber.25 -
ethenya✭✭✭Forgive me if I am wrong but can't you actually hear a bomber approaching? A few times I've been repairing a door heard the sound of proxy and sometimes managed to get out of the way if my reflexes respond.Edited by ethenya on July 1, 2021 6:32AM11
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Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Forgive me if I am wrong but can't you actually hear a bomber approaching? A few times I've been repairing a door heard the sound of proxy and sometimes managed to get out of the way if my reflexes respond.
Most of the time, yeah. The thing that always gets me is the VD because people will scatter, but it acts like a domino effect. Other than that, most of the time I get killed by them is when I walk through a door just as a bomber is going off and there's literally zero I can do about it.2 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX22 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?1 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX6 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.1 -
ethenya✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?8 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!2 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX14 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.
It's not that I don't want to listen, it's that I don't think you quite comprehend that I'm unable to see through doors. I do not know how many allies are on the other side, I do not know if there's a bomber getting ready to unleash. Am I supposed to write in local chat "Is there anyone on the other side of this door? Please give me some numbers before I pass through. Kind Regards.".1 -
ethenya✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!
No I didn't mean that at all. I just meant there are other ways in or out of a keep. If the door isn't fully repaired don't use it just in case there is a bomber lurking and a crowd repairing.
Realistically it doesn't take more than one or two to repair a door unless there is inc.1 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!
No I didn't mean that at all. I just meant there are other ways in or out of a keep. If the door isn't fully repaired don't use it just in case there is a bomber lurking and a crowd repairing.
Realistically it doesn't take more than one or two to repair a door unless there is inc.
During MYM it's not uncommon to see 8-9 people standing around the door :P0 -
ethenya✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!
No I didn't mean that at all. I just meant there are other ways in or out of a keep. If the door isn't fully repaired don't use it just in case there is a bomber lurking and a crowd repairing.
Realistically it doesn't take more than one or two to repair a door unless there is inc.
During MYM it's not uncommon to see 8-9 people standing around the door :P
Lol silly cookies. Yeah I know the insta death from a bomb is annoying but just find it a shame that people want to kill off a style of play that people enjoy and it does require skill. Gave it a try but after several embarrassing deaths to delve mobs figured it wasn't for me.3 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭I saw a youtuber saying something true. 1 player wearing, "Zoal the Ever-Wakeful" + the "slippery" CP, will counter any bombing attempt, even if the player is real bad and got 500 ping.
Many ways to counter bombing this is a very elegant simple option.2 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!
No I didn't mean that at all. I just meant there are other ways in or out of a keep. If the door isn't fully repaired don't use it just in case there is a bomber lurking and a crowd repairing.
Realistically it doesn't take more than one or two to repair a door unless there is inc.
During MYM it's not uncommon to see 8-9 people standing around the door :P
Lol silly cookies. Yeah I know the insta death from a bomb is annoying but just find it a shame that people want to kill off a style of play that people enjoy and it does require skill. Gave it a try but after several embarrassing deaths to delve mobs figured it wasn't for me.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not really for removing the play style. I just wanted to point out it's a cheap when you walk through a door, not knowing what's on the other side, and get instantly removed from existence.0 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.
It's not that I don't want to listen, it's that I don't think you quite comprehend that I'm unable to see through doors. I do not know how many allies are on the other side, I do not know if there's a bomber getting ready to unleash. Am I supposed to write in local chat "Is there anyone on the other side of this door? Please give me some numbers before I pass through. Kind Regards.".
Alright, so sounds like maybe your argument should be "why can't i see allied players through keeps?". Or something like that. Bombing is fine.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher for ESO-U. Frost Warden PvE Build Article: https://eso-u.com/articles/nightingales_warden_dps_guide__frost_knight. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX5 -
Alucardo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.
It's not that I don't want to listen, it's that I don't think you quite comprehend that I'm unable to see through doors. I do not know how many allies are on the other side, I do not know if there's a bomber getting ready to unleash. Am I supposed to write in local chat "Is there anyone on the other side of this door? Please give me some numbers before I pass through. Kind Regards.".
Alright, so sounds like maybe your argument should be "why can't i see allied players through keeps?". Or something like that. Bombing is fine.
Yeah, I know it sounds stupid, but perhaps when you target a door it shows you how many allies are close to the door on the other side.0 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭On please. We had months of no proc with Magblades DEAD in Cyrodiil. Now we got procs back and so soon MYM. Of course there are lots of bombers around. Give them a break.
1000+ CP
PC/EU Ravenwatch Daggerfall Covenant
Give me my wings back!6 -
WaywardArgonian✭✭✭✭✭Expect it to die down a bit after MYM. Currently I see a lot of people who normally play other classes run bombing specs because it's easy AP.
As for dealing with bombers, there are some cases where you cannot avoid them, like running through a door at the wrong moment as mentioned above. However, in a lot of situations, bombers are very predictable, so you can act accordingly. They will often hide in/strike from the exact same spots.
Some things that work are popping a detect pot and scanning the most likely area for attack at the right moment. If you have time to react to an on-going bombing attack (and I know this is an 'if'), Precognition ulti can help you escape from death.PC/EU altaholic | Smallscale & ballgroup healer | Former Empanada of Ravenwatch | @ degonyte in-game | Nibani Ilath-Pal (AD Nightblade) - AvA rank 50 | Jehanne Teymour (AD Sorcerer) - AvA rank 50 | Niria Ilath-Pal (AD Templar) - AvA rank 502 -
Sanctum74✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If you don’t want to use all the helpful counters in this thread and you notice the door health is going up clearly indicating there are people on the other side repairing it and you still decide to go through it anyway then the best counter that works 100% of the time is to hit the respawn button. It’s just a game, laugh it off and have fun.
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Died a bunch to bombs the last few days and it was my own fault. Ended up having some awesome conversations about making my own, now we're a team.
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jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.
It's not that I don't want to listen, it's that I don't think you quite comprehend that I'm unable to see through doors. I do not know how many allies are on the other side, I do not know if there's a bomber getting ready to unleash. Am I supposed to write in local chat "Is there anyone on the other side of this door? Please give me some numbers before I pass through. Kind Regards.".
It's pretty much common sense.
Did the keep just flip to your alliance?
Is the front door below 100%?
If those are both yes, chances are other players are on the other side repairing the door and a bomber may be present to blow up the door and a player should prepare appropriately before approaching said door.Edited by jaws343 on July 1, 2021 2:09PM6 -
DrSlaughtr✭✭✭✭✭
✭Until update 31, learn to not care about getting bombed. It's the current meta. It's easier than ever. They're going to be around.
But 99% of bombs kill a few people who then get rezzed and you go about your day. Most aren't concerned with playing the map. They want cheap AP.
If you ARE trying to take a keep that is being defended by bombers, you can easily trick them. Once the place is flagged, put your tankiest people on the ram.
Have NBs or Sorcs with haunting curse defending from behind. Wait for them to make their play. Kill them.
Same goes for door and wall repairs. Same goes resources.
Having said that, it's annoying to have so many around. I run NB. So yeah, I see it every time I'm online. I have a bomber but I don't normally run it because I don't enjoy my set killing people for me.I drink and I stream things.3 -
The_Lex✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP, I can see from your comment history that you just hate ganking in general. Please don’t advocate for the removal of an entire play style that has existed in the fantasy genre for decades just because you hate it. In each thread where you’ve commented on the subject, people have given you great defensive advice.8 -
Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
Use one of the other doors? Would that help?
You mean use my xray vision to see if there's a bomber on the inside then use another door? I'll give that a go, thanks!ESO_Nightingale wrote: »ESO_Nightingale wrote: »honestly, this sounds like a player issue and not a game issue. there's a solid way to counter bombers that doesn't take much effort at all. and that is not stacking.
That's awesome. Can you tell me how to react and not get one shot when walking through a door just as it goes off?
stop grouping so close
I don't think you understand how walking through a door works.
i suppose we can't help you if you don't want to listen to us.
It's not that I don't want to listen, it's that I don't think you quite comprehend that I'm unable to see through doors. I do not know how many allies are on the other side, I do not know if there's a bomber getting ready to unleash. Am I supposed to write in local chat "Is there anyone on the other side of this door? Please give me some numbers before I pass through. Kind Regards.".
It's pretty much common sense.
Did the keep just flip to your alliance?
Is the front door below 100%?
If those are both yes, chances are other players are on the other side repairing the door and a bomber may be present to blow up the door and a player should prepare appropriately before approaching said door.
Honestly, even with the door at 100%, people don't sweep keeps and outposts well enough anyways so I always assume that a bomber may be present. I've seen people slip past through stealth and stick around in a keep for up to half an hour bombing people who are gathering either at the door to group up or bomb people at the transitus shrine. It's literally because people refuse to properly sweep what they flip as well as use the proper counters to stealth mechanics.
Edited by Sephyr on July 1, 2021 2:53PM4