The week’s weekly endevors

TrelNord

I had never participated in Battlegrounds before. I jumped in and did 5 yesterday and might just be hooked now. They were quick, frenetic, and a blast.

For me the takeaway was that it never hurts to try content that I’d not considered before.

Gundug

The 2 arenas one is probably going to be the quickest. Normal Maelstrom is trivial for any half decent setup, with a half hour or longer run time being on the slow side, and many of the regular quality weapons dropped at the end are still decent. Since the runs aren’t scored either, you can freely use the sigils to make it faster and easier.

khyrkat

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

BlueRaven

Alendrin wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Complete 5 battlegrounds

Complete 7 dungeons

Complete 2 arenas.

•••

So I guess we will see a spike in fake tanks/healers? And a spike in afkers in bgs?

Fantastic.

I really wish zos thought this things through..

This week is about as easy as things can get. What are you looking for?

Where did I say this would be difficult?

I am more concerned these activities will bring out the worst habits of the online community.

BlueRaven

khyrkat wrote: »

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see I never said it would be difficult. In fact I got it done last night (7 dungeons).

My concerns are that having dungeons/bgs as the requirement will bring out the worst in the community, specifically an increase in fake tanks and healers, and people afking in bgs.

kojou

BlueRaven wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see I never said it would be difficult. In fact I got it done last night (7 dungeons).

My concerns are that having dungeons/bgs as the requirement will bring out the worst in the community, specifically an increase in fake tanks and healers, and people afking in bgs.

If they avoided everything where players behaved badly then they would just have to shut the endeavors off altogether, because no matter what content you are referring to there is "bad player" behavior that will ruin someone's night. Just do your endeavor, try to be a "good player" and stop worrying about what other people do.

SeaGtGruff

Lugaldu wrote: »

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Every day/ week with these posts.

Don't worry, it will pass once all options are through...

Oh, you sweet, naive child!

Vevvev

I just did the 5 BG matches. I was actually wondering if it'd be faster to do the two arenas instead.

BlueRaven

kojou wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see I never said it would be difficult. In fact I got it done last night (7 dungeons).

My concerns are that having dungeons/bgs as the requirement will bring out the worst in the community, specifically an increase in fake tanks and healers, and people afking in bgs.

If they avoided everything where players behaved badly then they would just have to shut the endeavors off altogether, because no matter what content you are referring to there is "bad player" behavior that will ruin someone's night. Just do your endeavor, try to be a "good player" and stop worrying about what other people do.

I just wish they enabled a solo activity, instead of 2 group activities, and one that could only be done with somewhat competent dps or another group.

If the third option, instead of arenas, was refine 4K of raw materials for example (the 4K could be whatever appropriate number you think it should be), I probably would never have made the thread.

But pushing people into content they might not like or feel comfortable in might not be the best way of doing things. I wish they put in a solo activity for those who do not like groups.

jaws343

BlueRaven wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see I never said it would be difficult. In fact I got it done last night (7 dungeons).

My concerns are that having dungeons/bgs as the requirement will bring out the worst in the community, specifically an increase in fake tanks and healers, and people afking in bgs.

If they avoided everything where players behaved badly then they would just have to shut the endeavors off altogether, because no matter what content you are referring to there is "bad player" behavior that will ruin someone's night. Just do your endeavor, try to be a "good player" and stop worrying about what other people do.

I just wish they enabled a solo activity, instead of 2 group activities, and one that could only be done with somewhat competent dps or another group.

If the third option, instead of arenas, was refine 4K of raw materials for example (the 4K could be whatever appropriate number you think it should be), I probably would never have made the thread.

But pushing people into content they might not like or feel comfortable in might not be the best way of doing things. I wish they put in a solo activity for those who do not like groups.

They did put in solo content though. Normal Maelstrom arena can be completed easily by non CP players.

kringled_1

I did one run of vma, which I was going to do anyways, and one solo run of ndsa which was straightforward until the last boss, where things got quite hectic.

BlueRaven

jaws343 wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

khyrkat wrote: »

Again? Really? You guys complaining every [snip] time an endeavour pops out should play another game. What do you expect? They give PVE, PVP, crafting, gathering etc, etc, etc stuff to do, things YOU DO IN GAME ANYWAYS and you still think it's unfair? You want some personal tasks to be designed for every player? You even think you HAVE TO get all seals every day? Well no you don't! And you know what I think? ENDEAVORS SHOULD BE REMOVED so people think twice before pointless complaining. This is ridiculous. Most of you complaining on EASY TASKS are just... childish.
I really feel sorry for ZOS now, which doesn't happen often. No matter what they do, people are still unhappy.

[snipped for language]

If you actually read what I wrote, you would see I never said it would be difficult. In fact I got it done last night (7 dungeons).

My concerns are that having dungeons/bgs as the requirement will bring out the worst in the community, specifically an increase in fake tanks and healers, and people afking in bgs.

If they avoided everything where players behaved badly then they would just have to shut the endeavors off altogether, because no matter what content you are referring to there is "bad player" behavior that will ruin someone's night. Just do your endeavor, try to be a "good player" and stop worrying about what other people do.

I just wish they enabled a solo activity, instead of 2 group activities, and one that could only be done with somewhat competent dps or another group.

If the third option, instead of arenas, was refine 4K of raw materials for example (the 4K could be whatever appropriate number you think it should be), I probably would never have made the thread.

But pushing people into content they might not like or feel comfortable in might not be the best way of doing things. I wish they put in a solo activity for those who do not like groups.

They did put in solo content though. Normal Maelstrom arena can be completed easily by non CP players.

I think you over estimate the dps of the common baseline player in eso. There is a reason they added companions to help players.

Edit: Anyway, I have expressed my feelings about it. I have to focus on work for my job.

EvilAutoTech

It had been a long time since I participated in battlegrounds. I did 5 yesterday. I think I did alright. I mean, my team never did worse than third...

ivelbob

On the positive side, this might get people who never tried dungeons, battlegrounds whatever to give them a try. They might be competent and even enjoy it, expanding the number of players for those activities and shortening queue times for everyone.

AlnilamE

I'm going to run Malestrom and maybe DSA for this.

But my guildies yesterday got a group together to run 1 dungeon, as they figured one a day was the way to go, and they ended up running all seven almost in one go, by doing pledges on a couple of characters.

RNGeeze

Alendrin wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Complete 5 battlegrounds

Complete 7 dungeons

Complete 2 arenas.

•••

So I guess we will see a spike in fake tanks/healers? And a spike in afkers in bgs?

Fantastic.

I really wish zos thought this things through..

This week is about as easy as things can get. What are you looking for?

Likely always having one overland option would quash a lot of the issues even if the last world boss one raised some eyebrows at the sheer amount needed. There’s a great many players who likely never touch group instances, pvp or push themselves in solo arenas.

You’ll never please everyone and I won’t pretend to have answers to problems I’m still not convinced are actual problems but I wouldn’t be against them keeping the amount you can complete the same but add more tasks say 10 total. 3/10 sounds extremely safe but then you realize there’s not actual people on their end selecting the daily/weekly tasks so you could still end up with things people complain about thanks to rng.

Good luck to the team that has to put up with all the complaints and spin about how this was never for the players just a sly way around the loot box fiasco; you don’t often hear thanks for adding a way we can get stuff through the game. Though the costs are kinda asinine atm lol, it was a nice gesture but needs more time in the oven.

* Also why does it seem people expect the weekly endeavors to be quick, they are tasks meant to be completed over multiple days if you can’t do it in the first night that’s perfectly acceptable.

Sephyr

Vevvev wrote: »

I just did the 5 BG matches. I was actually wondering if it'd be faster to do the two arenas instead.

I did a timer, I think it really depends on the arenas, skill level, and what mode you have it on (nMA would probably be the fastest for me). For my five BGs, it took me about half an hour give or take to complete counting the waiting, where nMA could net me a little over if I included the wait time to have a second go (if I was groupless to reset the instance manually). Not sure about nDSA or nBRP since I never timed myself on those.

AcadianPaladin

I'm fine with this week's weekly. As a soloist, there are a fair number of non-DLC dungeons I can solo and I know Maj and Redbeard's schedule cold (and load up my chars on the appropriate pledges). So I did 2 solo pledges Monday, 2 more today and will plan on just doing one a day now and more than get my 7 dungeons this week.

Linaleah

BlueRaven wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

[snip] ...don’t have the dps to pull off an arena.

I think you may have overestimated the difficulty of the 4-man Arenas on Normal.

I interpreted the challenge as the solo arenas. Although if I am mistaken in my interpretation, I apologize.

its any arena, but even so, Maelstrom is pretty doable even with potato dps. I've been able to do it. it takes me longer then people with decent dps, but I could still do it. for reference I have aiming issues and when stationary, I think the most I've gotten was 24k dps... on multiple targets while putting down AoE ultimate. so not sustained dps and certainly not single target dps. more often then not, when doing maelstrom my dps is 5-6k..ish according to the addon. as long as you generally follow mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff for too long, normal Malestrom is doable. Vateshran hollows... I haven't decided yet, as I'm having some issues with second boss of green area. I did go in completely blind (and as a result messed up the order of the portals, I started with blue and then went into green), but.. yeah... up until that point I was doing pretty ok and now that i'm more aware of what i'm supposed to be doing, I'm going to try again and see if it goes better. otherwise, might just do Maelstrom.

Linaleah

Alendrin wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Complete 5 battlegrounds

Complete 7 dungeons

Complete 2 arenas.

•••

So I guess we will see a spike in fake tanks/healers? And a spike in afkers in bgs?

Fantastic.

I really wish zos thought this things through..

This week is about as easy as things can get. What are you looking for?

last week was easier TBH. at least if your playtime is flexible AND you have an alt in every alliance. doesn't have to be max level alt. I finished last week on alt account in like... 40 minutes? and I was not rushing. on a DC character, I just did the cropsford dailies. this week.... no matter which weekly I pick its going to take me a lot longer. battlegrounds have wait time and each one lasts 15ish minutes usually? so best case scenario hour and a half, twice as long as last week. Maelstrom tends to take me about an hour or so to finish on normal. and even doing fungal grotto takes me about 15-20 minutes per run (and you need 7) the only lengthy weekly last week was world bosses (and even then, because plenty of people were running them, they were easy to do). other 2 were pretty quick even if you are a potato. this week, if you are dps master, yeah, sure 2 maelstroms on normal will be quick for you. but if you are not..... which a lot of us are not? no, I much preferred last week personaly.

Minyassa

My friend and I are just knocking out a couple of quick Fungal Grottos for a few days. Doesn't matter which dungeon you do, and when I had to do one dungeon the other day for an endeavor I just did FG by myself with a Companion healer just in case. And I'm not even a very strong player.

SydneyGrey

Ratzkifal wrote: »

20 Transmute gems? Are you serious? So PvPers who are usually at max transmute gems anyway essentially just get 50 seals of endeavors less for a currency you can only have a certain maximum amount of that you can also get easily from pledges, rewards of the worthy and daily random dungeons and battlegrounds.
And just when I thought this system can't disappoint me further.

If you do PvE you hardly get any transmute gems at all, so 20 gems is a LOT for a PvEer.

Amottica

Since the endeavor does not require using the GF to find a random group of players then no one has to be subjected to fake tanks. Form your own group or as someone else suggested, do normal dungeons.

BlueRaven

Amottica wrote: »

Since the endeavor does not require using the GF to find a random group of players then no one has to be subjected to fake tanks. Form your own group or as someone else suggested, do normal dungeons.

Do you honestly believe the common ESO player can solo a dungeon? Even FG1?

Because the constant complaints about fake tanks, fake healers, and even fake dps paint, to me, a very different story.

oterWitz

Linaleah wrote: »

its any arena, but even so, Maelstrom is pretty doable even with potato dps. I've been able to do it. it takes me longer then people with decent dps, but I could still do it. for reference I have aiming issues and when stationary, I think the most I've gotten was 24k dps... on multiple targets while putting down AoE ultimate. so not sustained dps and certainly not single target dps. more often then not, when doing maelstrom my dps is 5-6k..ish according to the addon. as long as you generally follow mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff for too long, normal Malestrom is doable. Vateshran hollows... I haven't decided yet, as I'm having some issues with second boss of green area. I did go in completely blind (and as a result messed up the order of the portals, I started with blue and then went into green), but.. yeah... up until that point I was doing pretty ok and now that i'm more aware of what i'm supposed to be doing, I'm going to try again and see if it goes better. otherwise, might just do Maelstrom.

I haven't tested specifically, but VH should be faster than MA since you can run past any non-gatekeeper mob. Heck, for fun tomorrow I may slap a Ring of the Wild Hunt on and see how fast I can do it.

oterWitz

BlueRaven wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Since the endeavor does not require using the GF to find a random group of players then no one has to be subjected to fake tanks. Form your own group or as someone else suggested, do normal dungeons.

Do you honestly believe the common ESO player can solo a dungeon? Even FG1?

Because the constant complaints about fake tanks, fake healers, and even fake dps paint, to me, a very different story.

I could be wrong, but I think that people who are capable of soloing dungeons are also the ones most often seen intentionally queueing for the wrong role. I would agree that these endeavors would run the risk of bad behaviors if they asked for more of our time, like complete 20 dungeons/BGs or something. As it stands, it's possible for more experienced players to do with very little hassle while less experienced players are incentivized to try group content. I'm guessing the dungeon finder will see more low level players this week than usual, and this and other threads show that people are trying battlegrounds who never have before (I'll be among them when I can play during primetime). It's still early, but we've yet to have a fake tank/healer or afk bg thread so it seems that this week's endeavors are innocuous enough that it isn't an issue, though I can see how it could become one if they asked people to grind these activities beyond their normal levels of play.

starkerealm

BlueRaven wrote: »

Complete 5 battlegrounds

Complete 7 dungeons

Complete 2 arenas.

•••

So I guess we will see a spike in fake tanks/healers? And a spike in afkers in bgs?

Fantastic.

I really wish zos thought this things through..

NMA is a 30 minute cakewalk, maybe 45 if you're learning or rusty. It's way easier to just wander in there and roll the dice for some of those 5pc set weapons that never drop, than running 7 random normals.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

WiseSky wrote: »

I wish next Week is Get 10 " Awesome" on forums.

That would be the only way people would not complain here

People would still complain it's too easy (or too hard for some people.).


All you'd have to do is throw up a couple of cat pictures and you'll get your 10 Awesomes in a few hours.

Jem_Kindheart

Complete 5 BGs = some people love BG's or some kinda do em once in awhile. I dislike them strongly but I love that the option is there for my fellow players . It helps the general experience to be good at BGs but it's ok to be trash at them. I've experienced a couple elitist jerks in there but you just eyeroll and move on. This is probably the easiest and fastest tbh.

Complete 7 dungeons = omg seriously lol. This can't possibly be a problem lol. I take my level 10 characters in FG1 solo for the undaunted quest with white level 10 gear. Yeah it can be a lil slow that way but doable. Option 2: queue for FG1 or some dungeon you want gear from. Option 3: ask some guildies or zone if they wanna queue for a random norm or a pledge. Option 3: my fav option, make a lowbie character whose sole purpose is lowbie random norms, they unlock at level 10 and you can get through pretty fast and smooth on those first dungeons in any role. Can maybe try out legit tanking or healing or whatever.

Complete 2 Arenas = if I'm reading this right, it just says complete. It doesn't say you need to do Veteran No Death lol. Normal Maelstrom Arena is astonishingly easy. I take my below-50 characters in there with white or green gear for the XP and skill point. Just to prove to guildies who are scared to death of the place, I did it on a level 6 character with gear you buy from the town npc vendors with no traits or enchantments lol. It can be done with very, very little grief even if never done before. On a Champion character with ok or good gear it can be done in about 22-25 minutes. Option 2: normal Dawnstar is pretty darn easy also, it can be done with 2 people, 3 people, or the max 4. On normal you really don't need a healer or tank, and can be done in about 30-60 minutes depending.

None of these options compromises the future of ESO or behavior patterns of its playerbase lol.