Toxicity breeds toxicity.

PrimeSeptim

This is a little rant I guess but I would like to hear your thoughts!

- Have you experienced this or similar?
- What was/would be your reaction?
- Did it change your approach?
- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

So, Midyear Mayhem is here!

I hop onto my below 50 character for some good, old fashioned below 50 PvP action.

I find it's usually more fun than Vet PvP...

Anyway, I search for a group but receive zero response, even though I know there's a
group up. OK, no problem I guess, so I'll just watch chat, find the zerg and lend a hand
where I can. I do this for about an hour, helping them capture keeps/resources, healing
them, supporting, etc. Once or twice, I was the only thing between them and death.

Still no invite to group... OK, I guess it's whatever. No biggie.

Then I ride on over to the next keep and as I was about to set up my trebuchet, I somehow
pull aggro on two mobs and they start pounding my ass. I wasn't prepared for this abuse.
Now the whole point of this post is because while this was happening, none of the 20+
players participating in this siege ever bothered to step in and help. There was even a
group of 4 people just standing there (one even on their mount literally (spectating) following
me and the mobs) mocking me.

Why be like that? It's just scummy. I genuinely feel used. They were quick enough to take
all my heals/support and that's how they repay me? Really? I truly went beyond the call of
duty. I can't emphasise that enough. But despite that, I'm just left to fend for myself.

You know, I usually just lurk, keep to myself and try to have fun - most of the time I just do
whatever is best for me. I don't care about you. But then there's times, both in game and out
where I want to be a bit nicer and little less scrooge-like. It's nice to be nice. Do unto others
as you would them unto you. But then stuff like this happens and it reminds me that being
nice is never the way to go because you'll just be used and taken advantage of. Nice guys
finish last, right? Almost every time I try to be a nice person, it backfires. It's never worth it,
unless you gain something in return. You're either the predator or the prey. A sad truth.

This obviously isn't the worst thing to happen but anyway...

That's OK. Afterwards, I just leeched... I stood there spectating while they did all the
work. I still got my AP and rewards and that's how it'll be from now on. Why should I continue
to exert myself? Why should I be a team player? What do I get out of it? Nothing. That's
obviously how everyone else feels so I guess I'll just conform to the community's selfish
attitude and screw everyone else, right? Unless, of course, I can use them... Isn't that the META?

Toxicity breeds toxicity.

Casul

Congrats, you have successfully continued the cycle.

Greasytengu

you know the guards have a very short leash distance right? you can just walk away.

VaranisArano

Honestly, if you want a guaranteed group who'll look out for you in combat, you want to look for a PVP guild.

PUG raids can be decent, but it's hit and miss since ZOS lowered the group size to 12. The good PUG leaders just can't pick up as many people as they used to, which makes it harder to find decent groups.

And if you aren't part of their group, I'm not surprised that no one in the group peeled off to help you with your NPCs. No offense, but when I played in a guild, my Crown would've been furious if I stopped healing my guild to go help out some random struggling with the guards.

It's my experience in PVP that if you want a guaranteed group of people who'll have your back and you'll have theirs, you really need a PVP guild, not a PUG raid and definitely not zerg-surfing.


Finally, you ask what my reaction would be.

Well, respectfully, rather than getting aggravated at the people who didn't help me, my reaction would be that I need to work on fighting the NPC guards if it was causing me so much trouble.

Have you considered learning to solo a resource? I treat that as a base test for any build I bring into Cyrodiil because if it can't handle soloing a resource, I'll struggle in battle too.

TequilaFire

I would kill the guards, as to others I realize they are in their own groups doing their thing and probably don't even realize I am there or rightly assume I should be able to handle the guards.
Getting into a group is harder now that there is a 12 player limit.
This is hardly toxic or post worthy.

alberichtano

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

This is a little rant I guess but I would like to hear your thoughts!

- Have you experienced this or similar?
- What was/would be your reaction?
- Did it change your approach?
- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

So, Midyear Mayhem is here!

I hop onto my below 50 character for some good, old fashioned below 50 PvP action.

I find it's usually more fun than Vet PvP...

Anyway, I search for a group but receive zero response, even though I know there's a
group up. OK, no problem I guess, so I'll just watch chat, find the zerg and lend a hand
where I can. I do this for about an hour, helping them capture keeps/resources, healing
them, supporting, etc. Once or twice, I was the only thing between them and death.

Still no invite to group... OK, I guess it's whatever. No biggie.

Then I ride on over to the next keep and as I was about to set up my trebuchet, I somehow
pull aggro on two mobs and they start pounding my ass. I wasn't prepared for this abuse.
Now the whole point of this post is because while this was happening, none of the 20+
players participating in this siege ever bothered to step in and help. There was even a
group of 4 people just standing there (one even on their mount literally (spectating) following
me and the mobs) mocking me.

Why be like that? It's just scummy. I genuinely feel used. They were quick enough to take
all my heals/support and that's how they repay me? Really? I truly went beyond the call of
duty. I can't emphasise that enough. But despite that, I'm just left to fend for myself.

You know, I usually just lurk, keep to myself and try to have fun - most of the time I just do
whatever is best for me. I don't care about you. But then there's times, both in game and out
where I want to be a bit nicer and little less scrooge-like. It's nice to be nice. Do unto others
as you would them unto you. But then stuff like this happens and it reminds me that being
nice is never the way to go because you'll just be used and taken advantage of. Nice guys
finish last, right? Almost every time I try to be a nice person, it backfires. It's never worth it,
unless you gain something in return. You're either the predator or the prey. A sad truth.

This obviously isn't the worst thing to happen but anyway...

That's OK. Afterwards, I just leeched... I stood there spectating while they did all the
work. I still got my AP and rewards and that's how it'll be from now on. Why should I continue
to exert myself? Why should I be a team player? What do I get out of it? Nothing. That's
obviously how everyone else feels so I guess I'll just conform to the community's selfish
attitude and screw everyone else, right? Unless, of course, I can use them... Isn't that the META?

Toxicity breeds toxicity.

I hear you and I feel you. I always try to res people when I can (and that is far from always the case, sadly), and if I notice someone nearby in trouble, i try to help if possible. Not always easy in mid battle. But to mistreat someone, just watch them get killed for no reason is just sad. :-/

TequilaFire

NVM lol

Amerises

So this is just a game, why bring this attitude real life? You don't help people in game, or out, for them. Just a life tip I guess...

Soraka

I haven't been in the other campaigns, but I find Grayhost (cp high level) is usually not as unfriendly as you have described and I often see low level players running around.

alberichtano

Amerises wrote: »

So this is just a game, why bring this attitude real life? You don't help people in game, or out, for them. Just a life tip I guess...

Football/soccer is also just a game. People beat each other up constantly over it.

Games are serious business you know.

Indigogo

If I felt the need for revenge (?!?!?!) or be toxic and selfish in return for any minor slight, I'd just switch off the game and work on my personal issues.

I experience similar every day.

Couple of hours ago we went to liberate sej back from filthy yellow hands and 12 or so tanky xers bounced around the porch doing nothing and if I wanted to get in, my paper thin solo squishblade would have to siege.
So I did. It was painful, no one had my back. I was countersieged, attempted ganked, but I got us in.
Then, they all bounced off.
I didn't do it for them, I did it for me. Did it FTP.

Their behaviour can't turn me toxic because I wasn't toxic to begin with.

Amottica

Run with your guild. That is really the best option regardless of PvP, dungeons, or raids.

Jem_Kindheart

Of the hundred+ probably times I experienced this, it never crossed my mind that it was "toxic" lol.

I follow along with the fights as best I can, every 15 or 20 mins post LFG to chat in case maybe a spot has opened up. Kill the guards if you get aggro, heal the random players nearby, siege the door, then try to follow where the fight is going. No biggie.

Some important things:
1.) group size is small and especially in a PvP event, most are gonna be full or guildies.
2.) those guards do like no damage lol, especially when you're on siege
3.) those guards are easy to kill even on a healer and even on a resto staff bar.. this is a non problem.
4.) the guy on the mount spectating could like be the group leader coordinating with other guild groups or who knows what, planning the next keep attack, lots of possible things.
5.) it's a PvP event, things are gonna be happening and shifting very rapidly, just gotta do your best, no worries.

Some tips to ease the pain a bit: as others mentioned, maybe you wanna join a PvP guild even if it's just for the event. I and many others have an okay time with the "follow along and try" Cyrodiil playstyle but if it's causing you this much distress then running with a guild group will help.

Keep a healing skill on one or both bars for when the guards finally get ya low on health. You can use a siege, and in between shots while it's reloading, use a heal skill and work on the guards that have aggroed. I usually get two or three shots in pausing to work on the guards before they die. They don't hurt much so it's really not any rush to get them down.

Jeremy

VaranisArano wrote: »

And if you aren't part of their group, I'm not surprised that no one in the group peeled off to help you with your NPCs. No offense, but when I played in a guild, my Crown would've been furious if I stopped healing my guild to go help out some random struggling with the guards.

He said they were just sitting there watching him and mocking him while he got his ___ kicked by the guards, though. They weren't doing anything aside from that. Not healing others, not playing with others... just sitting there laughing at him because he was getting whipped by guards.

I see no excuse for that kind of behavior. They sound like ___ _____ to me. So I can't blame the OP for being annoyed. Honestly it would have pissed me off too. lol

dem0n1k

How dare they accept your heals but not kill your mobs!?! Bad PVPrs! lol

Dude. Wait until you are fighting a losing battle at your gate keeps, against an enemy Emperor & die & the Emp drops the bags on you.. then a group (of the same faction as you) turn up & ignore the Emp & also drop the bags on you! Then it's time to come to the forums to complain! lol (actually I just respawned at the gate & rode back before the group could flip the flags so I could get some Otick.)

Chadak

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

This is a little rant I guess but I would like to hear your thoughts!

- Have you experienced this or similar?
- What was/would be your reaction?
- Did it change your approach?
- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

So, Midyear Mayhem is here!

I hop onto my below 50 character for some good, old fashioned below 50 PvP action.

I find it's usually more fun than Vet PvP...

Anyway, I search for a group but receive zero response, even though I know there's a
group up. OK, no problem I guess, so I'll just watch chat, find the zerg and lend a hand
where I can. I do this for about an hour, helping them capture keeps/resources, healing
them, supporting, etc. Once or twice, I was the only thing between them and death.

Still no invite to group... OK, I guess it's whatever. No biggie.

Then I ride on over to the next keep and as I was about to set up my trebuchet, I somehow
pull aggro on two mobs and they start pounding my ass. I wasn't prepared for this abuse.
Now the whole point of this post is because while this was happening, none of the 20+
players participating in this siege ever bothered to step in and help. There was even a
group of 4 people just standing there (one even on their mount literally (spectating) following
me and the mobs) mocking me.

Why be like that? It's just scummy. I genuinely feel used. They were quick enough to take
all my heals/support and that's how they repay me? Really? I truly went beyond the call of
duty. I can't emphasise that enough. But despite that, I'm just left to fend for myself.

You know, I usually just lurk, keep to myself and try to have fun - most of the time I just do
whatever is best for me. I don't care about you. But then there's times, both in game and out
where I want to be a bit nicer and little less scrooge-like. It's nice to be nice. Do unto others
as you would them unto you. But then stuff like this happens and it reminds me that being
nice is never the way to go because you'll just be used and taken advantage of. Nice guys
finish last, right? Almost every time I try to be a nice person, it backfires. It's never worth it,
unless you gain something in return. You're either the predator or the prey. A sad truth.

This obviously isn't the worst thing to happen but anyway...

That's OK. Afterwards, I just leeched... I stood there spectating while they did all the
work. I still got my AP and rewards and that's how it'll be from now on. Why should I continue
to exert myself? Why should I be a team player? What do I get out of it? Nothing. That's
obviously how everyone else feels so I guess I'll just conform to the community's selfish
attitude and screw everyone else, right? Unless, of course, I can use them... Isn't that the META?

Toxicity breeds toxicity.

You've learned the most important lesson there is to learn in these games - most people are jerks. That's the norm.

Exceptions certainly exist, but they're exactly that - exceptions to what is an otherwise unchanging standard.

Expect it. Adapt. You don't have to be a jerk yourself, but if you decide to be, don't bother feeling bad about it.

They don't, and they never, ever will. You can't do a thing about that. So, look out for yourself, don't expect anything but inconsistency, indifference and petty aggravation from John Q Public and try not to feed the trolls.

They cry when they're starving and their tears are extremely entertaining.

Ringing_Nirnroot

You should make a bomber and get your revenge

Chips_Ahoy

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

alberichtano wrote: »

Amerises wrote: »

So this is just a game, why bring this attitude real life? You don't help people in game, or out, for them. Just a life tip I guess...

Football/soccer is also just a game. People beat each other up constantly over it.

Games are serious business you know.

In my 20s I was ultra of a team, like many, (It's not something I'm proud of) when it was the derby we used the forums to agree with the rival team, we saw each other in a place far from civilization and we fought.

The rule was: you fall, you lost, and the rule was respected, sometimes we won, other times we lost, but no one was going to cry on the forums.

That was real PVP, this is nothing.

zvavi

So long story short you met people that leech? Those are not the PvPers...

anitajoneb17_ESO

Go PvP if you're in a self-centered, thick-skinned and have-fun-don't-care state of mind.
Don't go PvP if you're looking for some sort of teamwork, helping each other out and feel the complicity among comrades.

Simple as that.
Being in a guild may help, but it's not the alpha and omega, because it all depends on the people in the guild and the way it's run. Many guilds are pretty tooxic too.

People do not react the way you'd like them to react ? Well, you're not going to change them. Don't let it go under your skin.
Don't be as "bad" as you think they are, just go for what's fun for you.

Regardless, you could have misinterpreted their actions in many ways - and they could have misinterpreted yours, too.

PrimeSeptim

Thanks for the replies.

I'm glad that there are people out there that understand my frustration.

I'm somewhat over it now but like I said this was mostly just a rant and an opportunity to vent my frustrations.

Some have missed the point entirely though but that's OK. I understand where you're coming
from and your input will be valuable for future reference under different circumstances.

You can stop reading here if you like as the below is just one big reply/adding on to what I've already said.

I'm not a hardcore PvP'r, therefore I haven't considered joining a guild.

I play casually, to have some fun, to RP... Not literally but just immersing myself in the battle and being on
the frontlines fighting for my faction. Maybe that's the problem. I like to think other people are this way and
not just all about RL competition, numbers, getting one over on another player, t-bagging, getting all sweaty,
tryharding, etc. I like to believe that others enjoy working as a team, even with non-guild/group members.
Embrace and promote camaraderie, as it would be if you were a real soldier. I like to think that I can just put
my faith in my fellow players and trust them to be at least somewhat kind, thoughtful and be willing to utilise
teamwork to achieve victory. That means sticking together, supporting each other, communicating and just
sometimes going out of your way to do what's best for your faction or fellow player, like reporting enemy zergs
or keeps under attack but not yet tagged or if you happen to see a fellow player struggling, assist them. If you're
on the offensive, ride together. Strength in numbers. Anything but thinking only about yourself. Maybe I expect
too much from folk. I don't understand the need for a guild or a group really. This is about common decency.

I also know about the leash and aggro radius. My character is only level 34 I think, I could've handled them
if absolutely necessary but they reset before I got the chance. I was just caught off guard and then shocked
by the other player's actions or lack thereof. But that's not the point. Sure there's plenty of ways to handle this
but my point is they just stood there doing nothing. I understand the majority were focusing on the siege
and breaching the main gate (though if I was one of them, I would have better situational awareness and
be looking over my shoulder to make sure there's no enemies sneaking up from behind or any players in
distress) but there were a good hand full of players just standing in a group doing nothing, or mounted and
following me and the mobs. Why couldn't they help- Was it too much trouble? Or do they just take pleasure
in other people's misfortunes? This is what gets me. It's trying to understand why. I refuse to believe there's
any rational explanation. I think they were just being idiots, standing by and laughing at the noob. It's sad.

I'm not a sorry sod. I don't mind dying to enemy players. I don't alt-f4. I just brush it off and return to the
battle and regroup with other players. I'm making a big deal out of nothing maybe with the above but
this example is one that could've left me very much KIA and I very much doubt any of those players would've
revived me. If they had just lifted a finger? No issues. However, I do have to say, this is one small part of a
much larger problem that exists in-game (and out! But shhh). It's not just PvP. It's everywhere. Selfishness,
self-interest, greed, etc. I guess I'm going a bit off topic and into philosophy and Human nature... Personally,
I try to resist giving into those tendencies. But it's hard and seemingly impossible for the vast majority of people.
Unfortunately, due to this sad reality, if I continue to be part of the 1%- being nice, lending a hand (even if get
nothing out of it), giving out freebies, etc, I'm at a serious disadvantage and at high risk of being taken
advantage of. You've got give to get and all I ever seem to do is give. I receive no thanks. This post is the
result of this and past frustrations caused by similar happenings. But so I don't stray any more off topic, I'll
just finish with this; I suppose it is what it is and some things will never change. I'll just try to remain optimistic
and seek out the elusive 1% of nice guys/gals. God only knows how many times I've reached this conclusion.

jaws343

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

Thanks for the replies.

I'm glad that there are people out there that understand my frustration.

I'm somewhat over it now but like I said this was mostly just a rant and an opportunity to vent my frustrations.

Some have missed the point entirely though but that's OK. I understand where you're coming
from and your input will be valuable for future reference under different circumstances.

You can stop reading here if you like as the below is just one big reply/adding on to what I've already said.

I'm not a hardcore PvP'r, therefore I haven't considered joining a guild.

I play casually, to have some fun, to RP... Not literally but just immersing myself in the battle and being on
the frontlines fighting for my faction. Maybe that's the problem. I like to think other people are this way and
not just all about RL competition, numbers, getting one over on another player, t-bagging, getting all sweaty,
tryharding, etc. I like to believe that others enjoy working as a team, even with non-guild/group members.
Embrace and promote camaraderie, as it would be if you were a real soldier. I like to think that I can just put
my faith in my fellow players and trust them to be at least somewhat kind, thoughtful and be willing to utilise
teamwork to achieve victory. That means sticking together, supporting each other, communicating and just
sometimes going out of your way to do what's best for your faction or fellow player, like reporting enemy zergs
or keeps under attack but not yet tagged or if you happen to see a fellow player struggling, assist them. If you're
on the offensive, ride together. Strength in numbers. Anything but thinking only about yourself. Maybe I expect
too much from folk. I don't understand the need for a guild or a group really. This is about common decency.

I also know about the leash and aggro radius. My character is only level 34 I think, I could've handled them
if absolutely necessary but they reset before I got the chance. I was just caught off guard and then shocked
by the other player's actions or lack thereof. But that's not the point. Sure there's plenty of ways to handle this
but my point is they just stood there doing nothing. I understand the majority were focusing on the siege
and breaching the main gate (though if I was one of them, I would have better situational awareness and
be looking over my shoulder to make sure there's no enemies sneaking up from behind or any players in
distress) but there were a good hand full of players just standing in a group doing nothing, or mounted and
following me and the mobs. Why couldn't they help- Was it too much trouble? Or do they just take pleasure
in other people's misfortunes? This is what gets me. It's trying to understand why. I refuse to believe there's
any rational explanation. I think they were just being idiots, standing by and laughing at the noob. It's sad.

I'm not a sorry sod. I don't mind dying to enemy players. I don't alt-f4. I just brush it off and return to the
battle and regroup with other players. I'm making a big deal out of nothing maybe with the above but
this example is one that could've left me very much KIA and I very much doubt any of those players would've
revived me. If they had just lifted a finger? No issues. However, I do have to say, this is one small part of a
much larger problem that exists in-game (and out! But shhh). It's not just PvP. It's everywhere. Selfishness,
self-interest, greed, etc. I guess I'm going a bit off topic and into philosophy and Human nature... Personally,
I try to resist giving into those tendencies. But it's hard and seemingly impossible for the vast majority of people.
Unfortunately, due to this sad reality, if I continue to be part of the 1%- being nice, lending a hand (even if get
nothing out of it), giving out freebies, etc, I'm at a serious disadvantage and at high risk of being taken
advantage of. You've got give to get and all I ever seem to do is give. I receive no thanks. This post is the
result of this and past frustrations caused by similar happenings. But so I don't stray any more off topic, I'll
just finish with this; I suppose it is what it is and some things will never change. I'll just try to remain optimistic
and seek out the elusive 1% of nice guys/gals. God only knows how many times I've reached this conclusion.

Players just standing there may not actually be doing nothing. Maybe they have text chat open and are coordinating their team. Or cleaning up their group. Or fixing their gear/skills. Plenty of reasons why someone may just be standing at the fight and not paying attention to what is happening around them. And to be honest, even if that is not the case, I am rarely going to help someone fight the guards at a keep siege unless those guards are at the front door. Now if it were enemy players, that'd be another story, but guards, nah.

Amottica

I do have a question. As a healer in Cyrodiil does OP have offensive skills?

I ask, as someone new, it seems that it is a good idea to have damaging skills to handle attacks from players or, as in this case, NPCs.

Tinyfangs

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

(snip)

However, I do have to say, this is one small part of a
much larger problem that exists in-game (and out! But shhh). It's not just PvP. It's everywhere. Selfishness,
self-interest, greed, etc. I guess I'm going a bit off topic and into philosophy and Human nature... Personally,
I try to resist giving into those tendencies. But it's hard and seemingly impossible for the vast majority of people.
Unfortunately, due to this sad reality, if I continue to be part of the 1%- being nice, lending a hand (even if get
nothing out of it), giving out freebies, etc, I'm at a serious disadvantage and at high risk of being taken
advantage of. You've got give to get and all I ever seem to do is give. I receive no thanks.
(snip)

It's way more than 1% of nice people out there, but we ourselves will also many times miss the good deeds of others. How often do you know if a player saw you fight a mob by a node and did not come steal it? We will never know, but we will notice those who are rude, opportunistic, even down right mean, and the experiences we have with them end shaping our world view. I worry to come over ungrateful if someone rezzes me in the Imperial city, but the game does not allow to post a message while dead, and once rezzed Iwill not waste the time and risk ending killed again and having that good deed by the other player immediately undone. Most I am sure will know this, but some may think 'I just risked my own pixel death for this player, and they don't even say thank you!'

Our ability to know what's going on with another player is extremely limited, we basically only have written text, no body language, no facial expression, and no way to actually shout 'help!' while same time text can very easily be missed. I have no doubt it's possible those players were actual jerks, but could also be they honestly had not noticed your situation, and would feel totally bad knowing they gave you such distress. Next, they may possibly were kids... I am not dissing kids, but having raised two boys myself, I watched them go through phases where I was seriously worried and asked myself 'how can they be mine?!' They appeared selfish, rude, lacking empathy.. but now they are amazing grown men, showing all what I sought.

Many kids play, and many pvp. They are not fully fledged, they are still finding their way and their place in this world, and instead of feeling you are putting yourself into a position of disadvantage, look at it that your deeds may help them see one can be more than just a jerk. It takes little effort to be uncaring, but real strength to stick to being kind. Take pride in it, don't abandon it

Greasytengu

Amottica wrote: »

I do have a question. As a healer in Cyrodiil does OP have offensive skills?

I ask, as someone new, it seems that it is a good idea to have damaging skills to handle attacks from players or, as in this case, NPCs.

if you are running in a group you could possibly get away with not having any offensive abilities slotted. Generally you will want to at least have some form of CC or damage.

If you are pugging or zergsurfing then you will need some reliable damaging skills along with a CC. Without a group, you have no safety net, and while you might lack the damage to kill someone outright you can still put up enough of a fight that you are not worth the effort of killing.

generalmyrick

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

This is a little rant I guess but I would like to hear your thoughts!

- Have you experienced this or similar?
- What was/would be your reaction?
- Did it change your approach?
- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

So, Midyear Mayhem is here!

I hop onto my below 50 character for some good, old fashioned below 50 PvP action.

I find it's usually more fun than Vet PvP...

Anyway, I search for a group but receive zero response, even though I know there's a
group up. OK, no problem I guess, so I'll just watch chat, find the zerg and lend a hand
where I can. I do this for about an hour, helping them capture keeps/resources, healing
them, supporting, etc. Once or twice, I was the only thing between them and death.

Still no invite to group... OK, I guess it's whatever. No biggie.

Then I ride on over to the next keep and as I was about to set up my trebuchet, I somehow
pull aggro on two mobs and they start pounding my ass. I wasn't prepared for this abuse.
Now the whole point of this post is because while this was happening, none of the 20+
players participating in this siege ever bothered to step in and help. There was even a
group of 4 people just standing there (one even on their mount literally (spectating) following
me and the mobs) mocking me.

Why be like that? It's just scummy. I genuinely feel used. They were quick enough to take
all my heals/support and that's how they repay me? Really? I truly went beyond the call of
duty. I can't emphasise that enough. But despite that, I'm just left to fend for myself.

You know, I usually just lurk, keep to myself and try to have fun - most of the time I just do
whatever is best for me. I don't care about you. But then there's times, both in game and out
where I want to be a bit nicer and little less scrooge-like. It's nice to be nice. Do unto others
as you would them unto you. But then stuff like this happens and it reminds me that being
nice is never the way to go because you'll just be used and taken advantage of. Nice guys
finish last, right? Almost every time I try to be a nice person, it backfires. It's never worth it,
unless you gain something in return. You're either the predator or the prey. A sad truth.

This obviously isn't the worst thing to happen but anyway...

That's OK. Afterwards, I just leeched... I stood there spectating while they did all the
work. I still got my AP and rewards and that's how it'll be from now on. Why should I continue
to exert myself? Why should I be a team player? What do I get out of it? Nothing. That's
obviously how everyone else feels so I guess I'll just conform to the community's selfish
attitude and screw everyone else, right? Unless, of course, I can use them... Isn't that the META?

Toxicity breeds toxicity.

something like this happens from time to time...
1st time i threw a tantrum and kept playing.
had a lot of fun...
2nd,
3rd,
4th
etc times it happened = just play...they are losers. :-) don't let them bring you down.

someday you'll ride along and help someone like you and they will be so happy!

Sephyr

Jeremy wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

And if you aren't part of their group, I'm not surprised that no one in the group peeled off to help you with your NPCs. No offense, but when I played in a guild, my Crown would've been furious if I stopped healing my guild to go help out some random struggling with the guards.

He said they were just sitting there watching him and mocking him while he got his ___ kicked by the guards, though. They weren't doing anything aside from that. Not healing others, not playing with others... just sitting there laughing at him because he was getting whipped by guards.

I see no excuse for that kind of behavior. They sound like ___ _____ to me. So I can't blame the OP for being annoyed. Honestly it would have pissed me off too. lol

It's really interesting too because they won't stop to help someone, but the moment you don't stop to help them? It's the end of the world meltdown in zone chat.

Soulshine

To be honest I think you set yourself up for this, so I don't have a lot of sympathy here.

If you are going out to Cyro solo, you need to have a completely clear idea of what to expect.

I main heal on multiple classes for pve so I've spent many solo hours out there and in BGs as well to make alliance rank for the skills I wanted in my builds for pve. Have seen a lot, learned more, and know I have still way much to improve when it comes to pvp in general. I am not expert or mean to come off as one.

But one thing I do know is that you cannot ever count on random people out there to look out for you if you chose to go out there alone in the first place.

Another, is that if you cannot handle even the NPCs coming after you, then you probably had better rethink your build. It's unlikely that if a group did take you in, you would contribute as much to a fight for them as you think you can if you cannot even handle the NPCs.

Regarding them, I have grown pretty fond of flipping resource locations for my faction when I solo. Have gone out to the little farms near a conflict many times since pretty often people forget about them after they are taken. I flip, set up a forward camp and help the fighters that die have a closer place to get back to it. It's honestly not that difficult to kill all the NPC there when you have even minimal dmg skills on your bars let alone some decent gear and a few CP slottables moved around to be more survivable.

In general, being a real support for a pvp group is not just spamming heals anymore than it is for a pve group. And setting up seige without the ability to defend it yourself is just a wasted resource because eventually someone will take it and you - out.

That all said, I get that it seemed rude to you the person on their mount was not helping, but to be fair - you chose to go out there alone into a scene like this so you have to be prepared for all and any reactions.

Being in Cyro alone can be pretty darn fun and rewarding if you adjust your attitude and expectations. If you cannot, I would advise you get in a pvp guild so you can have a group to go with and ppl to teach you how to do your role out there within the group's needs.

cynicalbutterfly

PrimeSeptim wrote: »

This is a little rant I guess but I would like to hear your thoughts!

- Have you experienced this or similar?
- What was/would be your reaction?
- Did it change your approach?
- Did you forgive and forget or plot your revenge?

So, Midyear Mayhem is here!

I hop onto my below 50 character for some good, old fashioned below 50 PvP action.

I find it's usually more fun than Vet PvP...

Anyway, I search for a group but receive zero response, even though I know there's a
group up. OK, no problem I guess, so I'll just watch chat, find the zerg and lend a hand
where I can. I do this for about an hour, helping them capture keeps/resources, healing
them, supporting, etc. Once or twice, I was the only thing between them and death.

Still no invite to group... OK, I guess it's whatever. No biggie.

Then I ride on over to the next keep and as I was about to set up my trebuchet, I somehow
pull aggro on two mobs and they start pounding my ass. I wasn't prepared for this abuse.
Now the whole point of this post is because while this was happening, none of the 20+
players participating in this siege ever bothered to step in and help. There was even a
group of 4 people just standing there (one even on their mount literally (spectating) following
me and the mobs) mocking me.

Why be like that? It's just scummy. I genuinely feel used. They were quick enough to take
all my heals/support and that's how they repay me? Really? I truly went beyond the call of
duty. I can't emphasise that enough. But despite that, I'm just left to fend for myself.

You know, I usually just lurk, keep to myself and try to have fun - most of the time I just do
whatever is best for me. I don't care about you. But then there's times, both in game and out
where I want to be a bit nicer and little less scrooge-like. It's nice to be nice. Do unto others
as you would them unto you. But then stuff like this happens and it reminds me that being
nice is never the way to go because you'll just be used and taken advantage of. Nice guys
finish last, right? Almost every time I try to be a nice person, it backfires. It's never worth it,
unless you gain something in return. You're either the predator or the prey. A sad truth.

This obviously isn't the worst thing to happen but anyway...

That's OK. Afterwards, I just leeched... I stood there spectating while they did all the
work. I still got my AP and rewards and that's how it'll be from now on. Why should I continue
to exert myself? Why should I be a team player? What do I get out of it? Nothing. That's
obviously how everyone else feels so I guess I'll just conform to the community's selfish
attitude and screw everyone else, right? Unless, of course, I can use them... Isn't that the META?

Toxicity breeds toxicity.

I always solo and never ask for a group. However, on occasion, I do come across another of my alliance and if they're fighting I do jump in to lend a hand. Whether they need it or not doesn't matter.

What they did was just rude. I don't blame you for not helping out after them not helping you. But don't let them ruin your outlook on things. Not everyone out there is as rude as them.

shadyjane62

What the OP describes it what I see in pvp all the time now. I swear it didn't use to be this way. I do my dailies ignore all the cries for help (remembering these were the people who ran by and left me on the ground in the middle of nowhere) and gather my ap and rewards.

I will heal, but not petsorcs ever.

Jeremy

shadyjane62 wrote: »

What the OP describes it what I see in pvp all the time now. I swear it didn't use to be this way. I do my dailies ignore all the cries for help (remembering these were the people who ran by and left me on the ground in the middle of nowhere) and gather my ap and rewards.

I will heal, but not petsorcs ever.

I've seen players sit out of fights with other players and not help. But I've never seen other players not help with gate guard NPCs... lol, and then to add insult to injury, sit back and mock the player while they die to them. That's a special kind of meanness right there.

That would have soured me too. I don't know what alliance the OP is in, but I hope it wasn't the Pact.