What attracts you to a guild?/ What helps you stay?

Khenarthi

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

A cool name...I leave guilds with nonsensical names

I don't even consider joining unless the name is lore-friendly .

I look for friendly casual guilds, possibly with a small trader out of the way, where people have a sense of humour and are respectful of one another. I love reading chatty in-game conversations and will participate occasionally, but I cannot be bothered getting on discord unless there is an event.

SirPaws

A guild with a trader in a good location and a guildmaster who tolerates long periods of inactivity knowing I'll make up for it with donations. I'm not a particularly social guildie so chat and regular events don't really appeal. I tend to get kicked from guilds because I fail to participate or because of inactivity. I swear, when I join guilds with those sort of reqs it's with the very best of intentions, but I suck at being social or maintaining commitments.

DarcyMardin

Friendly, no-drama people who treat each other kindly.

No politics, religion, sexism, racism, or any other types of intolerance.

No dues would be nice, but I’m down with modest weekly contributions or participating in fund-raisers like raffles if the guild has a fully-equipped guild house with all sets for doing master writs.

I tend to prefer large guilds with plenty of members online for the selfish reason that it makes my own travel around the maps easier.

I know how difficult it is to run a guild and I have a lot of respect for the folks who dedicate themselves to this task. Thank you!

Danikat

Annoyingly I've got a new one to add to the list (not from ESO thankfully): people who understand that other people existing is a not a political statement.

A woman mentioning her girlfriend, a woman mentioning that she's a woman (OMG! a girl on the internet!), a man mentioning that he's always going to have to go afk when the kids need something because he's a single parent, someone mentioning their immigration status is uncertain so their time zone might change etc. is not someone talking about politics or trying to start a political debate, it's just people living their lives.

If you really want to ensure there's no "politics" it's probably better to just say no mentions of real life at all, but also accept sometimes that will be impractical and it will stop your guild members getting to know each other. Take the guy in the above example, if he's not allowed to explain that sometimes he has to go afk in the middle of a dungeon because he's the only adult in the house and has to take care of the kids his only option is to go afk with no explanation at all, which is not really fair to anyone.

If some idiot is constantly "joking" that he should make his wife do it and she needs to understand that gaming time is "man time" and not to be interrupted then he's the one who should be kicked for starting a debate about whether men are allowed to be single parents (along with the people who say if she left she should have taken "her" kids with her), not the guy who unexpectedly finds himself having to justify his existence to a bunch of semi-strangers online.

Most importantly I think the rules need to be equal for everyone. If a lesbian can't mention her girlfriend because that's political then no one is allowed to mention the gender of their partner. Singling out people you think are unusual and banning only them from what would otherwise be a normal conversation is not keeping "politics" out of the guild, it's discrimination.

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Great insights. It should be obvious to some I am considering making a guild. Trying to do some research before I launch it. Make sure my bases are covered.

In that case I'd say you're doing it backwards. There are a lot of people in ESO and they're all going to be slightly different. There's no way to make a guild which suits everyone so it's not worth trying to do that.

Instead start from the point that this is your guild. Why are you starting your own guild instead of joining an existing one? What do you expect it to provide that you haven't been able to find elsewhere?

Whatever the answer is, whether it's one thing or a combination of things, it's a safe assumption there will be other people in the same situation or looking for the same things, and 'all' you need to do is find them. That may be easier said than done if it's something quite specific but then the important thing is to consider how you're likely to find them and what would effectively get your recruitment message where they're likely to find it. Oh and making sure your recruitment message explicitly says why your guild is different and why they'd want to join. There are literally thousands of "friendly helpful PvE guild with regular events and a Discord" or whatever, you could swap their recruitment messages around and no one would notice the difference. A good guild has something to make it stand out from the crowd, even if the same thing would put other people off - that's not a bad thing, it just means they're not right for your guild.

Dagre2

I haven't done guilds in years. not really my thing. i prefer to do whatever i feel like doing and if i need a hand i put together or join a PUG. you can get some rather interesting times with PUGs, its a good roll of the dice when you aren't obsessed with clearing the content yesterday.

the only reason i'd join a guild in eso is for guild trader. guild trader system is both good and so horrible all in one package.

@Danikat should also mention that leaving 'politics' out of a guild, which is actually political in itself, is just ridiculous. i'm not sure people know what politics actually are. just agreeing to make the rule 'no politics' is politics. kicking people out because of X reason, IS politics. then you have guild ranks, and so on... i get a giggle out of it. just make a discord channel that's a free for all, where people can all go to chat and be themselves, then have the rest of the discord be all 'serious business'. problem solved, people can enter the free for all at their own risk or stay out of it if they're so easily offended by humans being human.

SickleCider

1. Active but doesn't require me to devote every waking moment. Bonus points if they actually manage to complete content (dungeons, trials) and don't ask me to "put in the hours" if I want to participate.
2. Respects my personal space. I'm in a few where I'll emerge after several days being AWOL, I guess kind of like a stray cat that visits, and people are like "Oh, hey, it's you :D" and it's chill. I appreciate that.
3. An ACTUAL zero tolerance for drama and creepy behavior. I appreciate when guild leaders just boot people instead of picking at the scab.
4. Per the above, not misogynistic, racist, homophobic, etc., shouldn't even have to be said but here we are.
5. I prefer guilds that skew older in its members, but that works best when it's something that happens organically. When you exclude young people it sets a certain tone that I don't like.
6. Finally, this'll be redundant, but respect is so important. My guilds respect my time, my knowledge, capabilities and limitations, my input, my being a woman with feminine qualities but also a certain amount of my own machismo (basically being treated as an individual rather than a "type"), my comfort zone, and my fashion game. 👀

Lucozade85

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Just curious. We all have had guild issues. I’m curious. What do you look for and what keeps you around?

Generally either trading or vet trials. If there's toxicity in either then I won't be staying.

Starlight_Whisper

Khenarthi wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

A cool name...I leave guilds with nonsensical names

I don't even consider joining unless the name is lore-friendly .

I look for friendly casual guilds, possibly with a small trader out of the way, where people have a sense of humour and are respectful of one another. I love reading chatty in-game conversations and will participate occasionally, but I cannot be bothered getting on discord unless there is an event.

Doesn't even have to be lore related for just some names are just well bad, like gross, no sense of style, just wierd like undies in name.

Chaos2088

• Nice people
• Relaxed atmosphere even if around end game content
• Help eachother out

FantasticFreddie

Active in the content I want to do
No politics etc in guild chat. I'm here to talk about the game, not the election.
A discord with a robust meme channel
Positive atmosphere.
A robust officer core, and a gm that doesn't step on their toes.
This one is hard to explain, because there is a fine line between letting your officers go on a power trip and constantly undermining them
An example is a guild where the gm meddles with the trial rosters/requirements above the actual raid leads head. I hate that. I'll leave a guild and discord if I see it happen on the regular.

Dropstitch

1. It needs to be active.
2. It needs to be reasonable. I dislike rudeness/edgelordiness and I dislike overreaction/ feigned offence. I just want normal people to talk normally.
3. A relaxed atmosphere.
4. That's about it.

ixthUA

1. Guildhall with crafting stations, trader, banker, mundus stones, dps dummies.
2. Lots of experienced players who can answer my questions.
3. Vampires and werewolves if i decide to become one.

Icy_Waffles

I’m seeing good things when being specific in guild “mission statement” so that members can be added/ sign up who know what they are looking for.

JoDiMageio

I'm only in it for trade (after bad experiences in social guilds) so.... the quieter and more efficient, the better. Don't hound me for lotteries or other fundraising events, just let me trade and if it goes well, you can always count on donations as a thank you for the time and work that I know goes in to running the guild.

Icy_Waffles

Danikat wrote: »

Annoyingly I've got a new one to add to the list (not from ESO thankfully): people who understand that other people existing is a not a political statement.

A woman mentioning her girlfriend, a woman mentioning that she's a woman (OMG! a girl on the internet!), a man mentioning that he's always going to have to go afk when the kids need something because he's a single parent, someone mentioning their immigration status is uncertain so their time zone might change etc. is not someone talking about politics or trying to start a political debate, it's just people living their lives.

If you really want to ensure there's no "politics" it's probably better to just say no mentions of real life at all, but also accept sometimes that will be impractical and it will stop your guild members getting to know each other. Take the guy in the above example, if he's not allowed to explain that sometimes he has to go afk in the middle of a dungeon because he's the only adult in the house and has to take care of the kids his only option is to go afk with no explanation at all, which is not really fair to anyone.

If some idiot is constantly "joking" that he should make his wife do it and she needs to understand that gaming time is "man time" and not to be interrupted then he's the one who should be kicked for starting a debate about whether men are allowed to be single parents (along with the people who say if she left she should have taken "her" kids with her), not the guy who unexpectedly finds himself having to justify his existence to a bunch of semi-strangers online.

Most importantly I think the rules need to be equal for everyone. If a lesbian can't mention her girlfriend because that's political then no one is allowed to mention the gender of their partner. Singling out people you think are unusual and banning only them from what would otherwise be a normal conversation is not keeping "politics" out of the guild, it's discrimination.

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Great insights. It should be obvious to some I am considering making a guild. Trying to do some research before I launch it. Make sure my bases are covered.

In that case I'd say you're doing it backwards. There are a lot of people in ESO and they're all going to be slightly different. There's no way to make a guild which suits everyone so it's not worth trying to do that.

Instead start from the point that this is your guild. Why are you starting your own guild instead of joining an existing one? What do you expect it to provide that you haven't been able to find elsewhere?

Whatever the answer is, whether it's one thing or a combination of things, it's a safe assumption there will be other people in the same situation or looking for the same things, and 'all' you need to do is find them. That may be easier said than done if it's something quite specific but then the important thing is to consider how you're likely to find them and what would effectively get your recruitment message where they're likely to find it. Oh and making sure your recruitment message explicitly says why your guild is different and why they'd want to join. There are literally thousands of "friendly helpful PvE guild with regular events and a Discord" or whatever, you could swap their recruitment messages around and no one would notice the difference. A good guild has something to make it stand out from the crowd, even if the same thing would put other people off - that's not a bad thing, it just means they're not right for your guild.

So I have my goals and what the guild will function as. Purpose of this is to be open to others opinions/ ideas. The guild isn’t designed to be for gm vanity, or be problematic if at all possible.

I like seeing what others are saying. I am not planning an all compassing guild. I see posts that wouldn’t want to be in my guild, and some that may.

Austacker

What attracts you to a guild?/ What helps you stay?

Good Seller Location.

Dead serious, the fact ZOS doesn't have a unified Auction house in this game is the primary reason why I feel the need to be in 5 different guilds.

It's ridiculous, rubbish game design and clearly just a gold sink for this MMO.

I hate it.

Cadbury

All 5 of the guilds I'm in give me exactly what I need: good trader locations and a quiet chat.

Doc45

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

An example is a guild where the gm meddles with the trial rosters/requirements above the actual raid leads head. I hate that. I'll leave a guild and discord if I see it happen on the regular.

I get where you're coming from, but, for a guild scheduled trial (or other event), the GM and event leader really shouldn't be at odds over their approaches as it reflects poorly on the GM. The GM is going to hear the complaints from guildies when an event leader is doing something that would result in the complaint, and they have to deal with any fallout. The fallout may include an event lead leaving the guild and their discord channel, but that's not a bad outcome if the two can't agree after private discussions. If the "meddling" is visible publicly, that's another issue entirely and reflects worse on the GM, but between officers, it's fair enough to just say "We're not able to come to an agreement that is satisfactory to both of us, so I'll pursue my vision elsewhere".

FantasticFreddie

Doc45 wrote: »

FantasticFreddie wrote: »

An example is a guild where the gm meddles with the trial rosters/requirements above the actual raid leads head. I hate that. I'll leave a guild and discord if I see it happen on the regular.

I get where you're coming from, but, for a guild scheduled trial (or other event), the GM and event leader really shouldn't be at odds over their approaches as it reflects poorly on the GM. The GM is going to hear the complaints from guildies when an event leader is doing something that would result in the complaint, and they have to deal with any fallout. The fallout may include an event lead leaving the guild and their discord channel, but that's not a bad outcome if the two can't agree after private discussions. If the "meddling" is visible publicly, that's another issue entirely and reflects worse on the GM, but between officers, it's fair enough to just say "We're not able to come to an agreement that is satisfactory to both of us, so I'll pursue my vision elsewhere".

I'm talking about situations like:
Lead posts requirements. Say, 75k dps and a previous clear for a fast farm run.
Random person: "Hey my dps is 65k, can I join?"
GM: "Sure! No problem!"
Raid Lead: "uh. Have you cleared before? Do you know the trial?"
Random person: "nope. Is that an issue?"
Gm: "Not at all! We love teaching new people!"
This annoys the HECK out of me. Let the leads set their own requirements for the trials they are running, and DON'T override them in open chat.

colossalvoids

If guilds description is intelligent and friendly enough, preferably with name being not "mccheese warriors" or something. Trading guild should maintain their spot and that's probably the most important one in that kind of guilds.

Atmosphere matters, remember being in one pretty big and famous pceu pve guild and was really trying hard to ignore frequent guild chat idiocy going on, when self proclaimed pro players were going against some people they've disliked. Met most of them in content and only a few were actually able players which pretty much made me leave the guild finally after another case of them shaming some guy in chat. Otherwise good guild for finding a group or filling some raids can be spoiled by couple of big mouths easily.