BG group finder seems suddenly unbalanced?

GreasyDave

I've been running BG's for the last couple of months, solo or with a friend. Not sure what kind of balancing algorithm they use for placing players into groups but until this week I felt it worked sort of OK. I've been mostly in mixed skill groups and up against groups with roughly the same mix. Some matches I'd win, some we'd come second, some we'd lose. But it was nearly always closely run. Occasionally I'd end up in a match which seemed to have a pre-made in and we'd be totally outclasssed but that was the exception. This week it's all changed. Something seems completely off in the group assignments. I've been queuing solo and I've been put in groups with players of my skill level or worse (from looking at our scores at the end of the game) but we've been set up against teams which outclass us by miles - I can't prove that they're pre-mades but the skill levels of the complete group seem to point at it. Sometimes it's just one group, sometimes its both opposing groups. But my teams will die and die and die. My friend I often play with was telling me I just need to git gud (true). But he joined me today and we were completely outclassed when queuing together. We figured it might be because we queued as a group and tried queuing solo. We ended up in the same match but in opposing teams. This time, our teams were about the same level as each other (scores and kills at end of the game)..... but the third team was way beyond both our teams.

I don't mind losing. I don't mind getting a beat down. But when it's every single match it is not fun.......this seems like something is not working right. I'm certain it's not that I've scored so high that now I've been put into the big boys pool - my scores weren't great. More than that, the folks I've been put into the big boys pool with, definitely don't belong there anymore than I do

So I guess I'm writing hoping that ZOS will take a look see and see if something is not working as intended?

Elo106

Pretty sure its just the amount of BGs played, you can keep losing and get ranked higher

GreasyDave

Elo106 wrote: »

Pretty sure its just the amount of BGs played, you can keep losing and get ranked higher

So, if I play a lot, score low, die a lot, I'm still going to end up playing against better and better teams and players? That is brutal

IF that's true then I'm a bit lost for words because it fails on so many levels...

Draevik

GreasyDave wrote: »

Elo106 wrote: »

Pretty sure its just the amount of BGs played, you can keep losing and get ranked higher

So, if I play a lot, score low, die a lot, I'm still going to end up playing against better and better teams and players? That is brutal

IF that's true then I'm a bit lost for words because it fails on so many levels...

You are not alone, I go into some matches and feel like a god then others just completely smacked down like a gnat.

Some people are just insanely good at this game, but probably also running the most meta set/class combo which statistically gives them the best odds of winning.

Waffennacht

Welcome to high MMR.

You're also correct you're teammates are not so good.

As far as I can tell it places high MMR players in opposing teams, this means if you have 5 high MMR players queue then 2 teams will have 2 high MMR players and one will have 1, the rest of the slots will be filled with lesser MMR players.

Unfortunately you probably got the only high mmr slot on your team.

Also most players in ESO are not very good. You're right to say the people that joined you probably arent any better than yourself.

My experience is extremely similar. Ive had matches where I end at 17-1 but the rest of my team is 0-10 2-6 3-3 etc

I only solo queue, and i pay attention to whom I'm facing. Those "uber" teams are usually just a good random pairing for them in the queue.

Kory

Waffennacht wrote: »

My experience is extremely similar. Ive had matches where I end at 17-1 but the rest of my team is 0-10 2-6 3-3 etc

Same. That's called just having fun. I've seen people just standing around camping flags not doing anything. Hiding around like they want to avoid combat and end up getting killed 10 times anyway Lol

All you can do is get your kills in at that point and see how your kill death ratio is.

GreasyDave

Thanks for feedback.

Waffennacht wrote: »

Welcome to high MMR.

You're also correct you're teammates are not so good.

As far as I can tell it places high MMR players in opposing teams, this means if you have 5 high MMR players queue then 2 teams will have 2 high MMR players and one will have 1, the rest of the slots will be filled with lesser MMR players.

Unfortunately you probably got the only high mmr slot on your team.

Also most players in ESO are not very good. You're right to say the people that joined you probably arent any better than yourself.

My experience is extremely similar. Ive had matches where I end at 17-1 but the rest of my team is 0-10 2-6 3-3 etc

I only solo queue, and i pay attention to whom I'm facing. Those "uber" teams are usually just a good random pairing for them in the queue.

You describe how I experienced it prior to last week - good players spread in with weaker players. There seemed to be a certain logic to it and fairness to it. And I enjoyed it.

Last week definitely felt different - from a subjective viewpoint:

Even when I'm on a losing team, there's always been a couple of players in the winning team who I'd manage to cc and get a combo on. Last week, I was unable to cc ANYBODY in the winning teams. These groups were so far ahead of me in speed and debuffs it was humbling.

In the weeks before I might get between 8-15 kills in a match. Last week, I was lucky if I got 4. My friend who's a better player than me, had the same experience.
And the thing is, this was for every BG. I didn't win single one. I was lucky to get second place. And I ran about 20.

It truly felt like at least 3 good players were being put together in one group. Or, the algorithm was placing pre-mades in with solo because there wasn't enough people queuing.

If I've suddenly made "high" MMR status and am now being placed as a "high" skill player, then the system is really taking the michael. I feel sorry for all the beginners I'm being placed with.

Here's to hoping this week is better

Waffennacht

Yeah it just pays attention to matches played afaik.

The CC thing is because of ZoS. The position desync is so off right now you can CC them and your may not get a visual.

Its not that they didnt get CC'd its that they CC broke and the game was too far behind to catch the animation.

I dunno if it has become any better since blackwood release, but it was/is super off

Grimlok_S

That feeling when you have sub-CP160 players on your team and recognize a pair of regulars on the opposing team.