What are humanoids? (Endeavor)
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xv1_me
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I’ve killed tons of enemies that were and looked like humans still I can’t find which enemies give me credit for this endeavor.
Anyone actually know what are considered humanoids for this endeavor?
Thanks.
Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 16, 2024 11:08AM Anyone actually know what are considered humanoids for this endeavor?
Thanks.
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TootieTazzy✭✭✭Check you haven't done 3/3 for the day already.Edited by TootieTazzy on June 17, 2021 8:31PM6 -
rootkitronin✭✭✭✭✭I was in Deshaan killing zombies in Muth Gnaar and they didn't seem to count towards the endeavor.
Killing the hostile Ashlanders there did count towards it though.0 -
Vanathil✭✭✭Zombies are undeads. Humanoids are like bandits, vampires, cultists, any hostile opposite alliances, etc. I just mostly went to do the daily pledges and got it while running the dungeon. If you dont feel like doing dungeons, the delves near Daggerfall is one filled with bandits, the other one with dominion soldiers, just running one of that will do the job.If you're lucky, you'll even get treasure chests and collect some set items in sticker book.Edited by Vanathil on June 17, 2021 9:28PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭Zombies are undeads. Humanoids are like bandits, vampires, cultists, any hostile opposite alliances, etc. I just mostly went to do the daily pledges and got it while running the dungeon. If you dont feel like doing dungeons, the delves near Daggerfall is one filled with bandits, the other one with dominion soldiers, just running one of that will do the job.If you're lucky, you'll even get treasure chests and collect some set items in sticker book.
If vampires count, so should zombies. "Humanoid" generally means "human-shaped" (just like ovoid means "egg-shaped"). Now if it said "human," then zombies might not count, but arguably vampires might not either.8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I know that Dremora (although they are obviously humanoids) do not count... weird, right ?
They are probably considered as Daedra or something like that. 0 -
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✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »I know that Dremora (although they are obviously humanoids) do not count... weird, right ? They are probably considered as Daedra or something like that.
They're considered as Daedra.
Humanoids in this context are anything that are usually the playable races that aren't undead (or a werewolf) or at least I'm assuming when comparing to other systems in other games. I'm unsure if the various sub-races of Khajiit count, but if you stick to the base 10 that aren't undead/werewolves you'll be fine.Edited by Sephyr on June 17, 2021 9:54PM2 -
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They're considered as Daedra.
Humanoids in this context are anything that are usually the playable races that aren't undead (or a werewolf) or at least I'm assuming when comparing to other systems in other games. I'm unsure if the various sub-races of Khajiit count, but if you stick to the base 10 that aren't undead you'll be fine.
By that definition, vampires would be excluded from the humanoid category. Do they count for the endeavor? Mine completed before I could think to check.
And if we're going to exclude daedra, zombies, and vampires, then the endeavor really should read "human," not "humanoid." Daedra in human shapes are humanoids, as are zombies and vampires.4 -
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By that definition, vampires would be excluded from the humanoid category. Do they count for the endeavor? Mine completed before I could think to check.
And if we're going to exclude daedra, zombies, and vampires, then the endeavor really should read "human," not "humanoid." Daedra in human shapes are humanoids, as are zombies and vampires.
Vampires are undead, so yeah. I'd assume they'd be excluded if they're an NPC. Player characters I'm not sure.
The reason why they don't read as Human as Mer/Khajiit/Argonians aren't technically "human" by conventional definitions and terminology, the latter two being beast races, but well in the confines of being considered 'humanoid' as they're integrated into the stereotype of 'human society'.Edited by Sephyr on June 17, 2021 9:57PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭TwinkleNoze wrote: »Just go and dummy hump the 3 mill skelly for a while
If that works, then perhaps the Precursor does too? He'd be less time consuming to farm.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Vampires do not count and neither do goblins. I was questing in reach, and after killing a bunch of grey hols vamps? the meter didn't move. also, harrowed do not count either. or skeletons (I guess they count as undead?)Edited by Linaleah on June 17, 2021 10:03PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭✭I think that the definition someone gave here was great (playable races that didnt turn vamp/ww), the endeavor I dont like though, is the chest one, why? because dungeon chests dont count
Edited by zvavi on June 17, 2021 10:18PM0 -
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✭I got my 3 in Ilessan Tower in Glenumbra, kill 10 humanoids, 15 foes with class abilities, as well as the 2 treasure chests...1 -
xv1_me✭✭✭TootieTazzy wrote: »Check you haven't done 3/3 for the day already.
Oh is that why the whole endeavor screen is grayed out?
I couldn’t remember if it was like that by default.0 -
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That sounds like an oversight. The only reason I can think of that they wouldn't count is that they're shared between players, but that's true of a lot of quest objectives when you do them in group...0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »
Dolmen chests count.
kinda sad that dolmen chests count, but dungeon chests didnt. maybe it is dungeon specifiit was vSCP, can someone confirm for other dungeons?0 -
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Vampires are undead, so yeah. I'd assume they'd be excluded if they're an NPC. Player characters I'm not sure.
The reason why they don't read as Human as Mer/Khajiit/Argonians aren't technically "human" by conventional definitions and terminology, the latter two being beast races, but well in the confines of being considered 'humanoid' as they're integrated into the stereotype of 'human society'.
The divide between human/mer versus undead/daedra is fair enough, but "humanoid" is not the correct term for that distinction. If something has human form, regardless of dead/undead/man/mer status, it is humanoid. The term refers to physical shape, not to essential qualities of being "human" (e.g. being alive as opposed to undead or neither alive nor dead).
They probably ought to say "human or mer." They should not, at any rate, be trying to redefine "humanoid" to suit their tastes without explaining that they're using it to mean something other than its established definition. That only causes confusion (case in point), and understandably so.0 -
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The divide between human/mer versus undead/daedra is fair enough, but "humanoid" is not the correct term for that distinction. If something has human form, regardless of dead/undead/man/mer status, it is humanoid. The term refers to physical shape, not to essential qualities of being "human" (e.g. being alive as opposed to undead or neither alive nor dead).
They probably ought to say "human or mer." They should not, at any rate, be trying to redefine "humanoid" to suit their tastes without explaining that they're using it to mean something other than its established definition. That only causes confusion (case in point), and understandably so.
In the conventional form of the term, however this isn't a conventional setting — ergo, definitions change for what the game needs the term to be; not what you think or want it to be.
Edit: And for clarity, I do agree it's misleading. However I'm giving the OP an answer rather than derailing the thread about the complaints of it — which doesn't help answer their question. If you have a problem with it, take it up with ZoS - not me.Edited by Sephyr on June 17, 2021 11:23PM1 -
Vanathil✭✭✭If vampires count, so should zombies. "Humanoid" generally means "human-shaped" (just like ovoid means "egg-shaped"). Now if it said "human," then zombies might not count, but arguably vampires might not either.
Ahh, you're right, I just checked the bestiary and it's indeed undead. Well, they do seem a lively folk to me xD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If vampires count, then the answer is probably anything that is rigged off the playable character models. This probably also includes Maomer.
Fake Edit: Actually, I know it includes Maomer, because I unlocked it killing maomer, now that I think about it.
Vampires are just standard racial models with a skin effect applied to them.
Zombies are not just a skin. There is a zombie skin and personality, but the normal zombies you encounter are a distinct mesh.
The achievements group Vampires into undead, but it also groups goblins and giants into humanoids. So, if those two don't count, then there's some serious idiosyncracies going on here.
It's possible that the game considers most vampires as undead and humanoid (never really tested this), in which case, specific vampires, like the blood scions, may not count, but normal ones might. This could be really idiosyncratic.2 -
PigofSteel✭✭✭✭A humanoid (/ˈhjuːmənɔɪd/; from English human and -oid "resembling") is a non-human creature or being, or a robot, with human form or characteristics. The earliest recorded use of the term, in 1870, referred to indigenous peoples in areas colonized by Europeans. By the 20th century, the term came to describe fossils which were morphologically similar, but not identical, to those of the human skeleton.[1]1
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By that definition, vampires would be excluded from the humanoid category. Do they count for the endeavor? Mine completed before I could think to check.
And if we're going to exclude daedra, zombies, and vampires, then the endeavor really should read "human," not "humanoid." Daedra in human shapes are humanoids, as are zombies and vampires.
Khajit, Argonians, Elves, and Humans.Edited by spartaxoxo on June 18, 2021 2:13AM0
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