Wardens - something doesn't add up
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Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭ThePianist wrote: »If you get killed by a Stamden in an open field, with no trees or rocks, you’re mediocre lol. Go around them, avoid them, don’t fight them, ect...pick your battles. Stamden is the king of tight corners and spaces. Just like how magsorc is the the king of wide open spaces.
I can't help but think that when the suggestion (I agree with you btw) is avoid them, don’t fight them it can only confirm that the class is greatly overtuned
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Jameson18✭✭✭✭✭Greasytengu wrote: »
Warden has always been a 'jack of all trades but master of none' class. Its good at everything, but great at almost nothing.
Personally I think the warden toolkit is better with group play than it is with solo play, and people mistake its success in groups with it being overpowered.
I think this is pretty on point.1 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭ThePianist wrote: »If you get killed by a Stamden in an open field, with no trees or rocks, you’re mediocre lol. Go around them, avoid them, don’t fight them, ect...pick your battles. Stamden is the king of tight corners and spaces. Just like how magsorc is the the king of wide open spaces.
I can't help but think that when the suggestion (I agree with you btw) is avoid them, don’t fight them it can only confirm that the class is greatly overtuned
Well, you could say the same about avoiding NB that stealth/shade away every time health is getting low, Sorc that doing the same with streak, any class that uses mist from, vamps ulti with cost reduction builds, ulti generation build with resto ulti, and the list goes on and on. I usually don't avoid meta Warden on purpose.1 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kill Counter stats?
Wildly divergent depending on how people play. Though somehow on most of my characters templars happened to be the most often killed class while also being the one with the least kills on me.0 -
Rhaegar75✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »ThePianist wrote: »If you get killed by a Stamden in an open field, with no trees or rocks, you’re mediocre lol. Go around them, avoid them, don’t fight them, ect...pick your battles. Stamden is the king of tight corners and spaces. Just like how magsorc is the the king of wide open spaces.
I can't help but think that when the suggestion (I agree with you btw) is avoid them, don’t fight them it can only confirm that the class is greatly overtuned
Well, you could say the same about avoiding NB that stealth/shade away every time health is getting low, Sorc that doing the same with streak, any class that uses mist from, vamps ulti with cost reduction builds, ulti generation build with resto ulti, and the list goes on and on. I usually don't avoid meta Warden on purpose.
I cannot dispute that each class (well most of them
) have strengths and perks that make them hard to counter.:
streaking magsorcs are a pain in the neck but super predictable
stam sorcs, gosh I hate them so much cause they are so fast but they tend to be squishy.........
templars..... they can heal but struggle to emerge once pushed into their defensive stance
NBs are annoying as hell for the constant cloaking but but when you catch them they are practically dead if they miss their combo
Wardens: good mobility, very tanky, cheap buffs and lots of them, purge like skill, good damage, good healing, very versatile when it comes to moving from defence to offence and vice versa.....no ifs, no buts...just an OP class0 -
Lughlongarm✭✭✭✭✭Lughlongarm wrote: »ThePianist wrote: »If you get killed by a Stamden in an open field, with no trees or rocks, you’re mediocre lol. Go around them, avoid them, don’t fight them, ect...pick your battles. Stamden is the king of tight corners and spaces. Just like how magsorc is the the king of wide open spaces.
I can't help but think that when the suggestion (I agree with you btw) is avoid them, don’t fight them it can only confirm that the class is greatly overtuned
Well, you could say the same about avoiding NB that stealth/shade away every time health is getting low, Sorc that doing the same with streak, any class that uses mist from, vamps ulti with cost reduction builds, ulti generation build with resto ulti, and the list goes on and on. I usually don't avoid meta Warden on purpose.
I cannot dispute that each class (well most of them ) have strengths and perks that make them hard to counter.:
streaking magsorcs are a pain in the neck but super predictable
stam sorcs, gosh I hate them so much cause they are so fast but they tend to be squishy.........
templars..... they can heal but struggle to emerge once pushed into their defensive stance
NBs are annoying as hell for the constant cloaking but but when you catch them they are practically dead if they miss their combo
Wardens: good mobility, very tanky, cheap buffs and lots of them, purge like skill, good damage, good healing, very versatile when it comes to moving from defence to offence and vice versa.....no ifs, no buts...just an OP class
Well, predictable or not, you just cannot outrun sorc an BN using streak/stealth/shade. If they wish to reset the fight they will reset the fight. dying is only optional for these classes in many cases. This is what I referred to when I meant that many times you will just avoid fighting these kind of play styles.
Regarding Wardens - Class is obviously up there, especially stamdens for PvP. However things are not as great as you make them appear.
Stamdens is probably one of the only classes still going heavy armor which is inferior to medium armor this patch. Why? Because you need 38k+ health to get a reasonable 8k artic wind tooltip. This change alone makes the offensive capabilities of Stamden much lower compared to many other stam builds(due to heavy armor and taking stamina into health attribute). due to heavy armor, mobility sucks as well. Basically Pariah medium setup>Alchemist heavy setup this patch. This results that all around, Stamden are much weaker compared to last patch. It has also been discovered that Stamdens got carried over the last mouth by the health steal bug which is part of the normal stamden skill kit. Many were not even aware that life steal is bugged and could trigger off cool down. This bug has been just fixed and you will see that impact on every stamden.
Edited by Lughlongarm on June 24, 2021 10:42AM2 -
Alienoutlaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭thing is you will always remember what kills you and not always remember what you have killed, if you focus on one group then you will only recall that group when it comes to deaths.
or better still make a warden and join the revolt0