Magicka Warden - any decent solo pvp builds?

Torbschka

Hey,

well, imo magicka warden is super bad this patch, since there offensive power is super lackluster and was carried by procsets. Since u cant really do that anymore, at least u could kill ur typical stamina heavy armor player, are there any other viable 1vX builds out?

For me stamina damage seems out of control, no matter what I do, I get shredded in 1 sec to 30%-0% hp.

Tried
5x ice furnace
1x Master lighnting
1x vateshran ice
2x pirate / Malu / grothdarr/ balorgh
1x malacath
2x trainee

And a lot of other variants. Yet, i do kill bad players no matter what set, but ive never struggled that much 1vX. Of there is 1 decent stamina Player dmg is so high I cant do ***. Im I Build Tanky, I do have 0 dmg or resources..

Maybe we can Come up with some good magicka warden builds…

ESO_Nightingale

Feels like total crap this patch. We have no decent self burst heal anymore and none of our actual problems were fixed. We're pretty much group healers at the moment. Procs were also heavily nerfed as well for magicka.

Lughlongarm

-The Magden build puzzle this patch is how to manage brust healing+ CC after artic blast nerf. You either find a way to manage with artic by increasing health or using other methods or removing artic blast altogether, looking for other options. If you take the second option it puts some pressure on your skill bar as you usually will have to replace artic blast with 2 different skills, 1 for healing and one for CC.

Several options/tips to consider.

The good old max magicka build - The new mythic "Death Dealer's Fete" really buff this play style increasing both magicka and health, which increases shield size(if you go 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy). So something like 5 necro, 2 trainee, 1 Death Dealer's Fete, Master lighnting front bar, 2 balorgh , defensive back bar, use the vamp CC or the fighters guild CC.


The good old clever alchemist back bar setup, 5 heavy, 2 light, but this time with 5 Heartland Conqueror, Master lighnting, 2 balorgh. Front bar is sharpened, back bar decisive. Concept of this build is to use Dawnbreaker of Smiting as your main CC for your burst combo and resto ulti when you are in a pinch. The combo of Heartland decisive + the minor heroism potion + Shimmering Shield, will restore your ulties extremely fast.

You can probably go deep into a vamp build using the vamp spammble and even the vamp ulti with sets like "mark of the pariah"+ vamp stage 3 for very high tankyness.

ESO_Nightingale

Lughlongarm wrote: »

-The Magden build puzzle this patch is how to manage brust healing+ CC after artic blast nerf. You either find a way to manage with artic by increasing health or using other methods or removing artic blast altogether, looking for other options. If you take the second option it puts some pressure on your skill bar as you usually will have to replace artic blast with 2 different skills, 1 for healing and one for CC.

Several options/tips to consider.

The good old max magicka build - The new mythic "Death Dealer's Fete" really buff this play style increasing both magicka and health, which increases shield size(if you go 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy). So something like 5 necro, 2 trainee, 1 Death Dealer's Fete, Master lighnting front bar, 2 balorgh , defensive back bar, use the vamp CC or the fighters guild CC.


The good old clever alchemist back bar setup, 5 heavy, 2 light, but this time with 5 Heartland Conqueror, Master lighnting, 2 balorgh. Front bar is sharpened, back bar decisive. Concept of this build is to use Dawnbreaker of Smiting as your main CC for your burst combo and resto ulti when you are in a pinch. The combo of Heartland decisive + the minor heroism potion + Shimmering Shield, will restore your ulties extremely fast.

You can probably go deep into a vamp build using the vamp spammble and even the vamp ulti with sets like "mark of the pariah"+ vamp stage 3 for very high tankyness.

Shields are still absolutely garbage on magden. Tried running several different healing/defensive settups. Nothing was good.

Lughlongarm

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

-The Magden build puzzle this patch is how to manage brust healing+ CC after artic blast nerf. You either find a way to manage with artic by increasing health or using other methods or removing artic blast altogether, looking for other options. If you take the second option it puts some pressure on your skill bar as you usually will have to replace artic blast with 2 different skills, 1 for healing and one for CC.

Several options/tips to consider.

The good old max magicka build - The new mythic "Death Dealer's Fete" really buff this play style increasing both magicka and health, which increases shield size(if you go 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy). So something like 5 necro, 2 trainee, 1 Death Dealer's Fete, Master lighnting front bar, 2 balorgh , defensive back bar, use the vamp CC or the fighters guild CC.


The good old clever alchemist back bar setup, 5 heavy, 2 light, but this time with 5 Heartland Conqueror, Master lighnting, 2 balorgh. Front bar is sharpened, back bar decisive. Concept of this build is to use Dawnbreaker of Smiting as your main CC for your burst combo and resto ulti when you are in a pinch. The combo of Heartland decisive + the minor heroism potion + Shimmering Shield, will restore your ulties extremely fast.

You can probably go deep into a vamp build using the vamp spammble and even the vamp ulti with sets like "mark of the pariah"+ vamp stage 3 for very high tankyness.

Shields are still absolutely garbage on magden. Tried running several different healing/defensive settups. Nothing was good.

These builds were tested mainly on PTS so no 1vsX action, however both felt quite solid. Things are not as grim as you make them sound. Sure, its not stamden but its very viable.

The suggested build pushes over 50k magicka(with northen storm active) and 30k health without CP. We'r talking 15k-16k+ shield size. How is it garbage? Trick is to find room for it on the front bar. You can resto staff back bar.

Torbschka

I will definitaly test the max mag build, i played like that when warden was released oft.

I do quite well with the following right now:

- 5x torugs (always)
- 5x Medusa (only Front)
- Mythic or monster set u like (I use snowtreaders with swift jewelry)
- Vateshran / brp ice staff backbar , elemental blockade is needed in both.
- 1x slimecraw

Kajhit
Shadow
Frost glyph front (+10% another crit dmg if chilled, almost permanent),
(Magicka dmg + Health / magicka backbar or the shield glyph, u get every 3 second a 3,2k (u can buff it with cp, I didn’t yet) dmg shield).
Crit dmg cps

Enchants armor Tristat
Jewelry as u like
I run vines and arctic front, so both have around 40% crit chance with 32% crit healing.

Works so far, ofc still no stamden for 1vX, still working around mythic or monster sets.

But will test the max mag build, oh and I also use dawnbreaker front and northern back.

Lughlongarm

Torbschka wrote: »

I will definitaly test the max mag build, i played like that when warden was released oft.

I do quite well with the following right now:

- 5x torugs (always)
- 5x Medusa (only Front)
- Mythic or monster set u like (I use snowtreaders with swift jewelry)
- Vateshran / brp ice staff backbar , elemental blockade is needed in both.
- 1x slimecraw

Kajhit
Shadow
Frost glyph front (+10% another crit dmg if chilled, almost permanent),
(Magicka dmg + Health / magicka backbar or the shield glyph, u get every 3 second a 3,2k (u can buff it with cp, I didn’t yet) dmg shield).
Crit dmg cps

Enchants armor Tristat
Jewelry as u like
I run vines and arctic front, so both have around 40% crit chance with 32% crit healing.

Works so far, ofc still no stamden for 1vX, still working around mythic or monster sets.

But will test the max mag build, oh and I also use dawnbreaker front and northern back.

This is the build I have tested:

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=357283

With Northen strom, magicka is over 50k, SD is over 5k, pen is like 19k with deep fissure.

The attached is without CP.

There is tons of room for personal modifications.

ESO_Nightingale

Lughlongarm wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Lughlongarm wrote: »

-The Magden build puzzle this patch is how to manage brust healing+ CC after artic blast nerf. You either find a way to manage with artic by increasing health or using other methods or removing artic blast altogether, looking for other options. If you take the second option it puts some pressure on your skill bar as you usually will have to replace artic blast with 2 different skills, 1 for healing and one for CC.

Several options/tips to consider.

The good old max magicka build - The new mythic "Death Dealer's Fete" really buff this play style increasing both magicka and health, which increases shield size(if you go 5 light, 1 medium, 1 heavy). So something like 5 necro, 2 trainee, 1 Death Dealer's Fete, Master lighnting front bar, 2 balorgh , defensive back bar, use the vamp CC or the fighters guild CC.


The good old clever alchemist back bar setup, 5 heavy, 2 light, but this time with 5 Heartland Conqueror, Master lighnting, 2 balorgh. Front bar is sharpened, back bar decisive. Concept of this build is to use Dawnbreaker of Smiting as your main CC for your burst combo and resto ulti when you are in a pinch. The combo of Heartland decisive + the minor heroism potion + Shimmering Shield, will restore your ulties extremely fast.

You can probably go deep into a vamp build using the vamp spammble and even the vamp ulti with sets like "mark of the pariah"+ vamp stage 3 for very high tankyness.

Shields are still absolutely garbage on magden. Tried running several different healing/defensive settups. Nothing was good.

These builds were tested mainly on PTS so no 1vsX action, however both felt quite solid. Things are not as grim as you make them sound. Sure, its not stamden but its very viable.

The suggested build pushes over 50k magicka(with northen storm active) and 30k health without CP. We'r talking 15k-16k+ shield size. How is it garbage? Trick is to find room for it on the front bar. You can resto staff back bar.

How is it garbage? We don't have a solid burst heal to counteract incoming burst anymore. Most magicka classes do. It's not enough to have a tiny bit more healing on our HoTs than some other classes, when our best burst option is blessing of restoration. Shields do not help against execute spam at all not like healing does. We cannot block cast enough heals to save ourselves. Because in order to have access to decent healing we need the restoration staff which means we can't block well. We also cant block especially well while running shields either, because that requires running light armor which got totally screwed over recently. Most other magicka classes are far better at healing/protecting themselves than magicka wardens. Save for magblade.

Crystallized Shield and it's morphs certainly are handy against projectiles, but they don't make us immune as there is a cooldown between each shield proc, and i don't have any room to slot it either because all of my flex spots are now dedicated to healing. Because i cannot save myself anymore no matter what i try.

Waffennacht

Didn't read the replies just gonna mention the meta

Have u tried pariah alchemist bal malacath?

Torbschka

Waffennacht wrote: »

Didn't read the replies just gonna mention the meta

Have u tried pariah alchemist bal malacath?

I actually dont really like 1 bar pariah.

Torbschka

Whenever you remove a harmful effect from yourself or an ally, you sancitify the ground beneath them and heal them and allies within 8 meters for 1305 Health per stage. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds. (5 stages, 50 pts)

This one CP star, salve of renewal - does that also heal yourself if u remove an effect from yourself?

Waffennacht

Torbschka wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Didn't read the replies just gonna mention the meta

Have u tried pariah alchemist bal malacath?

I actually dont really like 1 bar pariah.

True, but with a slight tweak u just double bar it and drop malacath.

rumple9

War maiden, new moon acolyte and skoria

Lughlongarm

Torbschka wrote: »

Whenever you remove a harmful effect from yourself or an ally, you sancitify the ground beneath them and heal them and allies within 8 meters for 1305 Health per stage. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds. (5 stages, 50 pts)

This one CP star, salve of renewal - does that also heal yourself if u remove an effect from yourself?

Ya, but as a self heal star, it doesnt worth, even with the netch combo. 6k Heal on 10 sec CD.

gariondavey

Alchemist + armor master can work if you don't want to 1 bar pariah

Torbschka

Thx for the suggestions, will try them probably if I have the armor / resources. Thought most of the builds would work well better on other classes.

What do you guys think of a Frost crit build, I mean, if we chill someone we literally get +20% bonus dmg for free? We could pair it with frost glyph Torug, which can also crit (as a kinda proc set).

ESO_Nightingale

Torbschka wrote: »

Thx for the suggestions, will try them probably if I have the armor / resources. Thought most of the builds would work well better on other classes.

What do you guys think of a Frost crit build, I mean, if we chill someone we literally get +20% bonus dmg for free? We could pair it with frost glyph Torug, which can also crit (as a kinda proc set).

there are 2 problems with this kind of build atm, first is we have a lack of frost damage skills that are decent, 2nd problem is the crit chance was nerfed heavily in pvp, so in order to get the most out of it we'd really gimp ourselves, or we'd have to use mechanical acuity. this also comes before magden's survival and sustain issues as well.

Kartalin

Currently working with this build in no cp: https://youtu.be/cx8iYWnxiiQ

It’s not too bad so far. Have already replaced malacath with wild hunt.

Instead of Torugs I would like to try winterborn flame staff front with vateshran ice back, with heartland conqueror and wild hunt with either 1 trainee or 1 monster piece. This is completely dependent on me being able to get a winterborn destro though. (Flame staff b/c I use flame clench for cc).

Previously I used winterborn and torugs, which should still be not bad.
https://youtu.be/2tq9D3SiePY

Waffennacht

I wouldnt necessarily recommend Winterborn with torug, seems like the spell damage would be too low to make good use of winterborn

Kartalin

True that was from markarth

ESO_Nightingale

Kartalin wrote: »

Currently working with this build in no cp: https://youtu.be/cx8iYWnxiiQ

It’s not too bad so far. Have already replaced malacath with wild hunt.

Instead of Torugs I would like to try winterborn flame staff front with vateshran ice back, with heartland conqueror and wild hunt with either 1 trainee or 1 monster piece. This is completely dependent on me being able to get a winterborn destro though. (Flame staff b/c I use flame clench for cc).

Previously I used winterborn and torugs, which should still be not bad.
https://youtu.be/2tq9D3SiePY

why are you using enchanted growth over blessing of restoration on that build? it literally costs far less and heals far more than mushrooms while increasing your armor, not like it saves you, but it's much MUCH better than mushrooms.

Kartalin

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

why are you using enchanted growth over blessing of restoration on that build? it literally costs far less and heals far more than mushrooms while increasing your armor, not like it saves you, but it's much MUCH better than mushrooms.

Hmm good point. Mainly for minor intellect and endurance, but 1k less cost is pretty tempting.

Torbschka

Any ideas for decent backbar only set? Tanky, sustain or dmg doesn’t matter, I’ll adjust the rest. Lich still best backbar set for regen?

Torbschka

Steadfest hero sounds good on warden with great uptime