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Could we please never have a lead with a drop rate as low as the tide beads again

QuantumPie
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I finally got the lead from a node but got hit by a wamasu and another player took it before I could loot. Could we please never have anything with such a low droprate as this again? There is so many things I would rather be doing in this game, but instead I've thrown 10 hours down the drain clicking nodes, and will probably need to spend another 10 just to see it again.

What makes this even worse is not just the drop rate but players have to compete for it. There is only one instance of Shadowfen for everyone in the game and there isn't a whole lot of node spawn point, which just makes this a breeding ground for toxicity and trolling. At the very least respawn times could have been increased so players aren't just running along a path with someone looting everything further up ahead.

Thank you for reading my TED rant.
  • Dalsinthus
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    OMG. I’m genuinely sorry to read this. That is terrible.
  • QuantumPie
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    OMG. I’m genuinely sorry to read this. That is terrible.

    Thank you for you're sympathy! Zone chat was not as kind. At this point I'm just going to wait until either the drop rate is buffed (which is sadly unlikely) or most people have it and I can farm nodes without much competition. It does suck though that it's such a big DPS increase :(
  • Dalsinthus
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    OMG. I’m genuinely sorry to read this. That is terrible.

    Thank you for you're sympathy! Zone chat was not as kind. At this point I'm just going to wait until either the drop rate is buffed (which is sadly unlikely) or most people have it and I can farm nodes without much competition. It does suck though that it's such a big DPS increase :(

    Thanks. I mean it - this is just horrible misfortune. Honestly there’s a lot wrong with this set in both how you obtain it and that it is such a huge buff that it become must have. Seems destined for a nerf after all this work.

    I’m 7-8 hours into farming this one lead with no luck so far. I even had a great run this morning in the public dungeon where I looted tons of nodes but still... nothing.

  • Starlight_Whisper
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    I only do support 99.9 percent of the time, but you have my sympathies my dear dps friends
  • xeNNNNN
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    The fact you're on the forum right now....I commend your patience. If that happened to me, I would of quit. That much time, that much effort and just like that its gone. Horrendous.
    Edited by xeNNNNN on June 14, 2021 12:34AM
    Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.
  • Edaphon
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    Could we please never have anything with such a low droprate as this again?

    As long as there are enough people going for stuff with drop rates like that we will continue to get it.

    If you want it to change then stop going after things like that. You're part of the problem.
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    I did quit. Farming nodes for leads and Antiquities in total. Also Shadowfen is now my forgotten zone.
  • phaneub17_ESO
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    Next popular mythic lead, from white rabbit critters who are only found where it snows, in Eastmarch.
  • Shantu
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    I finally got the lead from a node but got hit by a wamasu and another player took it before I could loot. Could we please never have anything with such a low droprate as this again? There is so many things I would rather be doing in this game, but instead I've thrown 10 hours down the drain clicking nodes, and will probably need to spend another 10 just to see it again.

    Man, it hurts just to read that. :(

    I was hoping ZOS would show a little understanding for the short-sighted, utter mess they created in Shadowfen. But nope...it's just business as usual. Pathetic.
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    That's terrible. I wonder if they even thought about how this would affect people.
  • Ackwalan
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    The lead was instanced to you. Probably won't make you feel any better, but the person that sniped the node, didn't get the lead either.
  • Nephthys
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    I feel terrible for the people who have been farming this. I just point blank refuse to. For the content I do it won't make a zip of difference.

    The thing is that if everyone boycotted this sort of stuff, the developers would have to come up with a more agreeable way of keeping people in the game. Yes I know it is difficult, and I understand folk wishing to have meta and be BIZ... but you refuse to do it and it will all go away.
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  • Digibrax
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    I wanted to see what was all the fuss wuth Shadowfen, and that lead everyone was talking about. So I went into the zone and the chat was just crazy lol. Also people were camping at nodes everywhere.
    So, I was just running arround and went to some secluded place (I have no idea where). There were no players nearby, and there was only one lone water hycinth. I picked it up and got the lead...
    The moral of this story is: I am the RNG GOD!!! :p (just kidding)

    I guess I was lucky? But, I think that problem is in people. You don't have to farm for 10 or whatever hours, you have a choice. I would love to see more rare things like leads, motifs, sets... But it would be more fun if it was set in PvP zones, so that people would really fight over it, and not only in chat.
    Edited by Digibrax on June 14, 2021 9:35AM
  • Nephthys
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    Digibrax wrote: »
    But it would be more fun if it was set in PvP zones, so that people would really fight over it, and not only in chat.

    Hahahaha that is just plain wicked. I don't PvP but would be happy to just lay on the ground dead and watch the action.

    Dunmer magicka Necromancer DPS/Healer
  • Wolfster
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    Boycotting content doesn't change a thing.

    There are literally dozens and dozens of unfarmed sets in this game. One more unfarmed set is of absolutely zero consequence.

    There is competitive PvE in this game and the only way to affect change in the supporting game systems is to participate and provide feedback.
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    OMG. I’m genuinely sorry to read this. That is terrible.

    Thank you for you're sympathy! Zone chat was not as kind. At this point I'm just going to wait until either the drop rate is buffed (which is sadly unlikely) or most people have it and I can farm nodes without much competition. It does suck though that it's such a big DPS increase :(

    I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news but it has been more than a year and BMH is still painfully overfarmed.

    I don't expect Shadowfen to get better any time soon.

    Arguably this mythic is not as versatile as the Pale Order ring so demand will eventually taper off but unless it gets the Thrassian Strangler treatment or the devs rethink their intent regarding the lead farming for it is always going to be a chore for most players.
  • Artemis_X_
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    I think we all secretly know how this will be 'fixed'. The odds will be improved, but as a way to balance it cos will reduce its effectiveness,annoying both those who did get the lead, and those who still habnt
    Edited by Artemis_X_ on June 14, 2021 10:33AM
  • aussie500
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    I had wondered what all the node wars thing was about in Shadowfen, some seemed to take it real serious. Eventually worked it out last night and went and competed with the crowd to get my lead. Anyone willing to spend 10 hours doing that only to get sniped at the last minute after they had seen it, has my sympathy. I am no where near enthusiastic enough to do even half that time.

    The drop rate is probably fine, it is actually getting enough nodes to get it which would be the problem. I got mine up the top, far northern end, where all the flowers are. I wondered all over the place before that. My water, nirnroot and water hyacinth collection has never been so bountiful.
  • gemmill1b16_ESO
    QuantumPie wrote: »
    I finally got the lead from a node but got hit by a wamasu and another player took it before I could loot. Could we please never have anything with such a low droprate as this again? There is so many things I would rather be doing in this game, but instead I've thrown 10 hours down the drain clicking nodes, and will probably need to spend another 10 just to see it again.

    What makes this even worse is not just the drop rate but players have to compete for it. There is only one instance of Shadowfen for everyone in the game and there isn't a whole lot of node spawn point, which just makes this a breeding ground for toxicity and trolling. At the very least respawn times could have been increased so players aren't just running along a path with someone looting everything further up ahead.

    Thank you for reading my TED rant.

    Ouch' Guess i was just lucky' took me around 30 mins to get it' after an hr i woulda said [snip]

    [edited for profanity bypass]
    Edited by ZOS_Icy on November 12, 2023 6:39PM
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    Nephthys wrote: »
    Digibrax wrote: »
    But it would be more fun if it was set in PvP zones, so that people would really fight over it, and not only in chat.

    Hahahaha that is just plain wicked. I don't PvP but would be happy to just lay on the ground dead and watch the action.

    And the devs just got an idea
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    instead I've thrown 10 hours down the drain clicking nodes, and will probably need to spend another 10 just to see it again.

    It took me approximately 40 hours of play - and that's a minimum, as I some days I played longer - to get the pale order lead from bad man's hallows.

    I don't know what tide beads are but it seems I should skip them.

    And Zos wants me to trust RNG to equip companions.
    Edited by cyberjanet on June 14, 2021 3:23PM
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    Mostly PC-EU , with a lonely little guy on NA.
  • kmontywrwb17_ESO
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    I have no problem with reasonable criticism of devs and bad design. I'm probably guilty of a fair amount of unreasonable criticism, in that I'm overly critical. However...the level of petulance being displayed by the player base over this lead is embarrassing - or should be.

    I got mine in 3 fairly easy days. Others have taken much less, and some even longer. The rest of the leads for the item took another 2 days or so. That was 5 decent days off targeted gameplay. The kilt was worth it.

    I really don't know what you guys want. Handouts? Participation mythics? What? It's a powerful item. It should take some effort to get. I don't think what it takes currently is unreasonable. In the end all it requires is time, when it could have been gated behind raid content.
    Edited by kmontywrwb17_ESO on June 14, 2021 3:51PM
  • Dalsinthus
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    I have no problem with reasonable criticism of devs and bad design. I'm probably guilty of a fair amount of unreasonable criticism, in that I'm overly critical. However...the level of petulance being displayed by the player base over this lead is embarrassing - or should be.

    I got mine in 3 fairly easy days. Others have taken much less, and some even longer. The rest of the leads for the item took another 2 days or so. That was 5 decent days off targeted gameplay. The kilt was worth it.

    I really don't know what you guys want. Handouts? Participation mythics? What? It's a powerful item. It should take some effort to get. In the end all it requires is time, when it could have been gated behind raid content.

    I've seen your posts in this and other threads and the my understanding is that you feel that players want rewards, right now, without having to work for them. OK fair enough. I'm curious though, how long of a grind is too long for you? 10 hours? 20 hours? 30 hours? 40 hours? Does the task matter?

    Here the complaint is a combination of the time it takes due to low drop rate, the lack of engaging gameplay in the task, and the fact that players are competing for nodes. I know people that put in over 20 hours doing a frankly boring and menial task yet still haven't received the lead. Doesn't that seem like a bit much to you? It does to me.

    For the record, I did get the lead last night after 9-10 hours of farming over the past 7 days.
  • kmontywrwb17_ESO
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    I'm curious though, how long of a grind is too long for you? 10 hours? 20 hours? 30 hours? 40 hours? Does the task matter?

    That depends on the item though, doesn't it? The kilt is BiS for a lot of builds, especially in raids (as I understand it). How much effort do you think should be required for a BiS endgame item? Because I can tell you, in no other game I've played are endgame items as easy to get as the kilt is.

    The game needs chase items. Ideally they should be powerful i.e. BiS. If it's too easy to get them it trickles down and effects the whole game, which ends up being so easy it lacks any challenge and becomes boring.

    How much effort do you think should be required?

    This is a reasonable discussion I think, with points on both sides. But my question is more about the anger, bitterness, and outraged entitlement being displayed by players (their own words in zone chat BTW, not just mine). And it got downright vitriolic in zone chat. It was bizarre. Where does this idea come from that just because I show up to play I should get everything I want ASAP, and if I don't I have the unquestioned right to tantrum over it - spitting invective at anyone and everyone who gets in my way?

    I'm not the only one asking this.
    Edited by kmontywrwb17_ESO on June 14, 2021 4:24PM
  • Dalsinthus
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    I'm curious though, how long of a grind is too long for you? 10 hours? 20 hours? 30 hours? 40 hours? Does the task matter?

    That depends on the item though, doesn't it? The kilt is BiS for a lot of builds, especially in raids (as I understand it). How much effort do you think should be required for a BiS endgame item? Because I can tell you, in no other game I've played are endgame items as easy to get as the kilt is.

    But also, the game needs chase items. Ideally they should be powerful i.e. BiS. If it's too easy to get them it trickles down and effects the whole game, which ends up being so easy it lacks any challenge and becomes boring.

    How much effort do you think should be required?

    I think it depends heavily on the task. I have no problem farming dungeons or arenas or pvp areas for leads or other rewards. I think it is a little weird that these even drop on normal. For example, I ran vMA well over 500 times farming weapons from back in the days where drops were not guaranteed and you couldn't save progress, so I have no problem with farming or repeating content a lot to get what I want.

    That said I have a problem with the current node farming wars where the task is so menial and the setup encourages toxicity among players. Anything more than an hour or two of that seems excessive to me. And I find it odd that the other drops for this item seem to come so easily but this one takes considerable time. But that's just my opinion and we'll all have different tolerances for this. I'd gladly do the 10 hours it took me for the lead if the gameplay was engaging. The 10 hours or so I spent on Shadowfen nodes just felt like a thankless chore.

    Now I'll ask again, how many hours of farming nodes in Shadowfen would be unreasonable from your perspective?


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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    OMG. I’m genuinely sorry to read this. That is terrible.

    I second this, this mess sucks and players who think it's fine are terrible too.
    Hoping for more playable races
  • kmontywrwb17_ESO
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    Dalsinthus wrote: »
    Now I'll ask again, how many hours of farming nodes in Shadowfen would be unreasonable from your perspective?

    I'm probably the wrong person to ask, as you won't like my answer. I once watched a zone for a rare spawn that had a rare drop that was only one part needed for a reasonably powerful item. It took me a year of gameplay to get just this one part, on and off obviously. It was hard to kill the mob that had the chance of dropping it, and that mob pathed directly through other dangerous mobs. When I *did* get it, the satisfaction was overwhelming.

    For an item like the kilt, I think the drop could be three times as rare and still be reasonable. I understand the issue of player toxicity in regards to the actual node mechanic (this game is bipolar in that regard - it has among both the kindest and nastiest players I've experienced in any online game). That element could be mitigated by greatly increasing the spawn rate of the nodes, or moving it to another mechanic that is less griefable. But honestly, I don't think that would solve the real problem, which is player expectation and behaviour.

    The only other way to change it would be to gate the drops behind true endgame content. That would mean the item was not available to most players, and maybe that's actually the "correct" answer.



    Edited by kmontywrwb17_ESO on June 14, 2021 4:46PM
  • Vonkarolinas
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    QuantumPie wrote: »
    I finally got the lead from a node but got hit by a wamasu and another player took it before I could loot. Could we please never have anything with such a low droprate as this again? There is so many things I would rather be doing in this game, but instead I've thrown 10 hours down the drain clicking nodes, and will probably need to spend another 10 just to see it again.

    What makes this even worse is not just the drop rate but players have to compete for it. There is only one instance of Shadowfen for everyone in the game and there isn't a whole lot of node spawn point, which just makes this a breeding ground for toxicity and trolling. At the very least respawn times could have been increased so players aren't just running along a path with someone looting everything further up ahead.

    Thank you for reading my TED rant.

    Two words..Auto Loot.
  • tc91101
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    It's a Kilt. The drop rate should suck. Then if you get the Kilt you should be kicked in the ding ding for wearing it. All jokes aside, just wait a month or so and people will quit competing on the farm grind.
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    I'm probably the wrong person to ask, as you won't like my answer.

    Not at all; I can handle someone having a different opinion and I was genuinely curious. I can't agree with you on taking 3 times as long but definitely agree on putting it with end game content. Thanks for responding.
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