Highest DPS class Tier List

gamerguy757
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I have a necroTank that I use for dungeons/trials, but I’m trying to figure what Magicka and Stamina class I should roll for DPS.
Can I get suggestions?
  • xeNNNNN
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    Magblade is always a strong bet. Though can be a little hard to master if you aren't used to it. Good execute, Good sustain, Juicy execute.
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  • Suna_Ye_Sunnabe
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    "The highest dps" will be with a class you resonate with. I'd recommend just watching a few different builds and rotations for certain classes and see which appeals to you, but realistically they're all very similar in dps output.
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  • trackdemon5512
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    "The highest dps" will be with a class you resonate with. I'd recommend just watching a few different builds and rotations for certain classes and see which appeals to you, but realistically they're all very similar in dps output.

    Yeah. Pretty sure we are beyond the point where it really matters and every class can hit with enough force to clear anything unlike several years ago. Highest DPS is where you get comfortable.
  • DonHardstyle
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    Tbf, you do not need the highest DPS, and you will never need the highest DPS. You can pick an build that says it does 100k DPS, but there changes are big you won't do that DPS with it.

    For example : i do 98k with my stamsorc, someone else with the same skills, gear and higher CP doesn't. But he does more with an magblade then me.

    The higstest DPS class is the one you like, and are most familiar with.

    I have the idea that sorcerer's, necro's and night blades are "safe" classes to play with.

    Being an DPS is not all about doing DPS, keep that in mind
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    Is a funny thing because even though my magblade has the highest DPS potential I consistently do better with my magsorc and my magden.

    I never seem to get the rhythm right with my magblade.

    The weakest link here is not the class or the build, in my experience the weakest link is me.
  • francesinhalover
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    People care too much about dps man, Remember you are a TEAM on both trials and dungeons. not dying and actualy doing good rotations matters more than pulling 10k more than another class that you dislike and just play for meta.
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  • Septimus_Magna
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    Each class has advantages and disadvantages, for the magicka side: necro are very strong in group but its a difficult playstyle. Sorcerer is more selfish but easier to play, magblade is fast paced but has very good survivabilty.

    For the stamina side I can only say that stamplar makes it very easy to reach decent dps numbers, some do find it boring because its only 3 DOTs and jabs. Stamcro works well in groups but due to blastbones and tether its more difficult to play. For high-end groups stamina DDs (expect stamcro) are lacking penetration so in actual raids their dps is usually lower than magicka groups.

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  • gamerguy757
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    Each class has advantages and disadvantages, for the magicka side: necro are very strong in group but its a difficult playstyle. Sorcerer is more selfish but easier to play, magblade is fast paced but has very good survivabilty.

    For the stamina side I can only say that stamplar makes it very easy to reach decent dps numbers, some do find it boring because its only 3 DOTs and jabs. Stamcro works well in groups but due to blastbones and tether its more difficult to play. For high-end groups stamina DDs (expect stamcro) are lacking penetration so in actual raids their dps is usually lower than magicka groups.

    What makes MagCro difficult? I had one but deleted it. It felt super clunky like it the rotation didn’t feel smooth as a Stam or a petsorc.
    Speaking of which….are Heavy Attack pet sorc still a thing
  • dcmgti
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    I'm with the other posters here, I have several dps characters/classes(and tanks) that I play. I tend to perform my best on magcro, I want to love magblade but I'm just not that good on it. I play with people that play lots of classes and each usually has their own benefit, even if the benefit is just lots of damage. A good magden can hit pretty hard in content, templars are easy to get good damage out of, sorc and magblade single target damage really good. Templar, magcro and warden are all really good AOE classes. Magdk is also fun and can be fairly versatile in setting up for single target or AOE. I mostly dps on mag so I don't really have experience with stam dps.

    If you're on pc I would recommend getting on pts and creating some max level toons to see which classes you like.
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    Some classes only unlock their true highest DPS with the help of another class's buffs. Why trial groups try to get the perfect combination of certain classes and roles figured out when tackling certain challenges. Like for example if the group has a lot of magDPS with plenty of flame damage bringing a magDK with Engulfing Flames to boost all that fire by another 10% is a really good idea.
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  • WrathOfInnos
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    If in doubt, I’d recommend Necro DPS for group content. The rotations are easy, and the class is always in demand for Major Vuln uptime. It’s a little clunky, and not the most fun IMO, but your allies will be happy.
  • gamerguy757
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    dcmgti wrote: »
    I'm with the other posters here, I have several dps characters/classes(and tanks) that I play. I tend to perform my best on magcro, I want to love magblade but I'm just not that good on it. I play with people that play lots of classes and each usually has their own benefit, even if the benefit is just lots of damage. A good magden can hit pretty hard in content, templars are easy to get good damage out of, sorc and magblade single target damage really good. Templar, magcro and warden are all really good AOE classes. Magdk is also fun and can be fairly versatile in setting up for single target or AOE. I mostly dps on mag so I don't really have experience with stam dps.

    If you're on pc I would recommend getting on pts and creating some max level toons to see which classes you like.

    So when I play the game, I have 8 toon slots:
    1. Harvester/Crafter
    2. Tank
    3. Healer
    4. StamDPS
    5. MagDPS
    6. StamPVP
    7. MagPVP
    8. ???

    So I’ve got spots 1-3 filled. Just trying to figure out what my Stam and Mag will be.
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



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  • gamerguy757
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire
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    Stats from last patch I found to be informative.
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  • katorga
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)

    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    Personally...hard to play, especially compared to sorcerer.
    • buffs and pets are short duration, and there are a lot of pre-casting and recasting required
    • Skills don't stack functions optimally, so you need more barspace and barswaps than you think
    • dps rotation is not smooth
    • skills are SLOW. Really noticable when you get into a random daily and the group "speed" runs it.

    That said, my magcro provides 15% crit damage and 10% damage to the group, so very desired. It is a very good tank, decent healer so you can easily change roles if you get bored with playstyles over time.
  • SidraWillowsky
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    As others have said, it's more about what class YOU can pull the highest DPS on and the one that feels best to you at this point, because there isn't really a class that's underperforming to the point of being unambiguously the worst (though I've not heard much about stamDK in a while...). When I started playing about three years ago, stamblade was outputting the highest DPS and I happened to make one as my first character bc stealth archer. I eventually became decent at it, but I was never super comfortable. Magblade was really strong for a while too, but I've never been able to pull even half-decent DPS on one.

    It wasn't until I made a magwarden that I realized how uncomfortable I'd been with my NBs. It was the weakest class by quite a bit at that point, but I was almost immediately able to come within 2-3k DPS of my stamblade when I got her leveled because the rotation felt so natural to me.

    All classes seem to have a skill that you cast and then wait for several seconds/meet some criteria for it to hit: Wardens have shalks, NBs have Grim Focus, Templars have Backlash, Necros have blastbones, Sorcs have haunting curse/crystal frags/the stam dagger throw thingy; DKs have... I'm not sure. Poop rock? Anyway. I think it depends on how well you can balance the timing of those sorts of class skills with the rest of the rotation. I like wardens the best, I think, because you don't need a target to cast shalks and that a missed cast isn't going to tank your DPS as much as not being diligent about your spectral bow on magblade, for example.... which I am *not*. Others have zero issues making that work.

    tl;dr play whatever class you like the best.
  • Amerises
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    People care too much about dps man, Remember you are a TEAM on both trials and dungeons. not dying and actualy doing good rotations matters more than pulling 10k more than another class that you dislike and just play for meta.

    Well if you're only doing 10k, and extra 10k is a big deal.

    As others have said, whatever you're proficient with. However some classes have higher potential, magcro and magsorc being highest, followed by magblade, but a lot of people can't reach that potential on magblade due to needing a dynamic rotation. I love playing a magplar, but I can do higher dps on other classes.
  • dcmgti
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    I don't find it that hard, I usually run the "dot" rotation. I use a spammable on trash but for most vet trial bosses or vet dungeons I use BB as a semi spammable without an actual one. It can sometimes be tough to keep rotation up while dealing with mechs on the dot rotation. Blastbones is sometimes amazing and sometimes I can't target with it or he's just chillin....enjoying the breeze. I personally find magcro a lot of fun.

    I'm leveling a stamcro but will be doing the 2h/dw setup.
  • gamerguy757
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    What has happened to Heavy Attack petsorc? That was my main dps when I played on console
  • LashanW
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    What has happened to Heavy Attack petsorc? That was my main dps when I played on console
    ZoS changed how the damage output of sorc pets scaled, now you need both high spell damage and max magicka to max out their damage. Afaik, old heavy attack sorcs used to stack max magicka only and they were able to deal good damage that way, those builds do less damage now.
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  • LashanW
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    If you have access to PTS, you can try out any class for no cost. See what you like.

    Magsorc is my favorite because their rotation is easy to learn and fairly straightforward, their rotation is more engaging for me. It's not about managing a dozen buffs/DoTs (like magcro), it's about keeping a couple of DoTs up and playing with the spammable and/or semi-spammable attack. I love this playstyle.

    Magsorcs have insanely high single target damage and excellent survivability (very easy to solo stuff), only drawback is you need to use their pets to max out damage.
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  • Everest_Lionheart
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    How hard or easy it played depends on you. How comfortable are you bar swapping and animation cancelling? How good are you at hitting all your synergies because with Magcro you get an additional synergy with boneyard? Are you comfortable managing several dots or dealing with a couple skills that may take a bit longer to land than most other classes?

    The key to Necro to be honest is to slow down a little bit and let the magic happen. When all the dots tick away and the blastbones, siphon and wall all explode in order the enemies will literally melt. It takes a few seconds to build up to that but the payoff is worth the effort.

    You’ve also got one hell of a toolkit at your disposal like summoners armor if you like to run all the Necro pets which pairs well with necrotic potency and gives you a crazy amount of colossus uptime. For content like vBRP you can run some utility skills like agony totem or enduring undeath to give your group some additional buffs and survivability. The hungry scythe can be great on large trash packs.

    Necro has great utility if you know how to use it. There is a learning curve but it’s well worth it if you put in the effort.
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    The one huge, enormous, glaring advantage over sorcerers...no flapping matriarch obscuring your view. :)

  • gamerguy757
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    How hard or easy it played depends on you. How comfortable are you bar swapping and animation cancelling? How good are you at hitting all your synergies because with Magcro you get an additional synergy with boneyard? Are you comfortable managing several dots or dealing with a couple skills that may take a bit longer to land than most other classes?

    The key to Necro to be honest is to slow down a little bit and let the magic happen. When all the dots tick away and the blastbones, siphon and wall all explode in order the enemies will literally melt. It takes a few seconds to build up to that but the payoff is worth the effort.

    You’ve also got one hell of a toolkit at your disposal like summoners armor if you like to run all the Necro pets which pairs well with necrotic potency and gives you a crazy amount of colossus uptime. For content like vBRP you can run some utility skills like agony totem or enduring undeath to give your group some additional buffs and survivability. The hungry scythe can be great on large trash packs.

    Necro has great utility if you know how to use it. There is a learning curve but it’s well worth it if you put in the effort.

    Can you explain why everyone uses the EXPLODING wall now and not the one that last longer? I thought the one that lasts longer when paired up with the VMA staff was better?

    Also why do MagCro use the Poison Morph of siphon?
  • katorga
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    How hard or easy it played depends on you. How comfortable are you bar swapping and animation cancelling? How good are you at hitting all your synergies because with Magcro you get an additional synergy with boneyard? Are you comfortable managing several dots or dealing with a couple skills that may take a bit longer to land than most other classes?

    The key to Necro to be honest is to slow down a little bit and let the magic happen. When all the dots tick away and the blastbones, siphon and wall all explode in order the enemies will literally melt. It takes a few seconds to build up to that but the payoff is worth the effort.

    You’ve also got one hell of a toolkit at your disposal like summoners armor if you like to run all the Necro pets which pairs well with necrotic potency and gives you a crazy amount of colossus uptime. For content like vBRP you can run some utility skills like agony totem or enduring undeath to give your group some additional buffs and survivability. The hungry scythe can be great on large trash packs.

    Necro has great utility if you know how to use it. There is a learning curve but it’s well worth it if you put in the effort.

    Can you explain why everyone uses the EXPLODING wall now and not the one that last longer? I thought the one that lasts longer when paired up with the VMA staff was better?

    Also why do MagCro use the Poison Morph of siphon?

    Unstable wall adds damage explosion when it runs out, if you recast early or you can use as a spammable if you need.

    The same applies on necro, the stam morph explodes when it ends or you recast early. It does more dps even on a mag toon. When I played my necro in stam mode, if there were lots of corpses, I'd spam it as a free aoe burst.
  • Morgha_Kul
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    I don't have any test dummies, but according to combat metrics, I average around 5k dps, and top out at around 10-12k, depending on the character.

    When I see people saying they're doing anything near 100k dps, I have to ask myself WHY they want to be doing that much? I mean, at 5-10k, I find much of the game pretty close to trivial. I can't imagine how boring the game would be if I was just obliterating everything without any kind of challenge.
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  • Everest_Lionheart
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    My highest hitting DD's are my magcro and my magblade. I've had other players tell me I 'melt' enemies. >:)



    Is MagCro as hard as people say it is?
    TBH I have a StamCro and the skills are kinda…clunky sometimes. Like I like to
    Weave LA and rapid strikes, but BB and Siphon sometimes don’t fire

    How hard or easy it played depends on you. How comfortable are you bar swapping and animation cancelling? How good are you at hitting all your synergies because with Magcro you get an additional synergy with boneyard? Are you comfortable managing several dots or dealing with a couple skills that may take a bit longer to land than most other classes?

    The key to Necro to be honest is to slow down a little bit and let the magic happen. When all the dots tick away and the blastbones, siphon and wall all explode in order the enemies will literally melt. It takes a few seconds to build up to that but the payoff is worth the effort.

    You’ve also got one hell of a toolkit at your disposal like summoners armor if you like to run all the Necro pets which pairs well with necrotic potency and gives you a crazy amount of colossus uptime. For content like vBRP you can run some utility skills like agony totem or enduring undeath to give your group some additional buffs and survivability. The hungry scythe can be great on large trash packs.

    Necro has great utility if you know how to use it. There is a learning curve but it’s well worth it if you put in the effort.

    Can you explain why everyone uses the EXPLODING wall now and not the one that last longer? I thought the one that lasts longer when paired up with the VMA staff was better?

    Also why do MagCro use the Poison Morph of siphon?

    Dot builds use them specifically when all dots are up and they have a GCD available because they don’t have a spamable so when recast it explodes and adds to the DPS. All other Magicka builds use the 10 seconds wall for the additional explosion damage as well. The only class I use the 14 second wall on is my MagDK because it lines up neatly with all of the other class dots and simplifies the rotation making it one less dot to manage especially if you are running Zen’s.

    Edit: If you are running Catalyst on Magcro you should stick with the shock damage morph in my opinion because the uptime for All 3 criteria of Catalyst should be near 100%. Otherwise you will need to use force pulse as a spamable to maintain good uptimes on the shock damage portion of the buff.
    Edited by Everest_Lionheart on June 11, 2021 8:57PM
  • LashanW
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    When I see people saying they're doing anything near 100k dps, I have to ask myself WHY they want to be doing that much? I mean, at 5-10k, I find much of the game pretty close to trivial. I can't imagine how boring the game would be if I was just obliterating everything without any kind of challenge.
    It's simple. In overland content basic enemies have 30k/60k health, in vet hm trials they have millions of health. And there's stuff like speedrun and trifecta achievements. You can't get them with 10k dps, unless you are a support role.
    And yes, once you master the combat system in this game, much of the game becomes an incredibly boring walk and talk simulator. It is what it is.
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  • Goregrinder
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    I don't think there is a consensus on a trial DPS tier list for Blackwood yet. I imagine all of the raiders who didn't hop on PTS, are going through their normal theory-crafting process trying to find the best setups for each trial boss. I figure in about a week or so, once more raiders finish initial testing, we'll have some reliable data that can be put towards what class setup comes on top, and what class setup is at the bottom.

    Just keep in mind that the gap between the best and worse has shrunk the past few patches, so they will probably within 8k DPS of each other. However, empirically only one can be at the top, I just don't know what it is yet. I think last patch that was Magblade? But based on what I am seeing so far, they have dropped, probably to A or B tier. Again, I have no real answer for you currently, but in a few weeks we will definitely have an answer.
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