What is the most difficult/annoying class to fight in Cyrodiil? (Blackwood Meta Edition)

Kikazaru

So, we are about a week into the Blackwood chapter with the return of all the conditional sets in Cyrodiil. I want to see what your thoughts are regarding the type of opponents you are fighting!

Regarding the meta, it feels a lot different from the previous "proc meta" that we had now that these sets scale with our SD/WD. I haven't seen many of the multi-proc high health builds over the course of the week. But! I have seen many powerful stat based builds that can hit astronomically high numbers! Sometimes I just can't process what just occurred until I re-watch the footage. I have been a victim of 30k+ combos even with respectable amount of crit resistance and physical/spell resistances that did little to mitigate the hits! It's Elder Scrolls Online: COD: Modern Warfare Edition! TTK is so short!

There has been a surge of bombers in Cyrodiil right now, since lot of players who were/are complacent of not having to worry about getting bombed when they are all bunched up at a choke point or flag are now paying a heavy price! I would admit that it feels like 50% of Cyrodiil are just bombers, specifically magicka nightblade bombers!

Bomber nation rise up! For the blood of those poor players shall fall at the feet of your devastating proxy/vicious death combos!

So, back to my topic at hand, I have yet to put my hands on what classes are difficult, since the changes to the procs, all classes so far feels almost equal in difficulty. Wardens still feels hard, but they feel a lot closer to the other classes, imo!

Scallan

Templar

As a magblade/stamblade main I can't stand Templars.

Since we have like no real defensive options besides teleport and cloak, all they do is spam jabs on you and make it impossible to stealth out of a fight. Nothing makes me rage hard than dying to jab spam lol.

Rhaegar75

Warden

Stamina Wardens remain over tuned in my opinion: still too easily able to excel in too many key areas of the game ...... ie: damage, defence, healing

The other p2w class, necromancer, is very close performance wise

LightYagami

Warden

Always Wardens.

Proc or no proc, Cyrodiil or IC or BG, CP or no CP, Blackwood or Graymoor or other patches.

Wardens.

JayKwellen

Warden

Wardens will always be the most annoying for me personally. Every other class has some weakness that can be exploited to your benefit, but wardens are just so generally well rounded with a lot of intrinsic tankiness built in that it's difficult to find a weak point to go in on. I can dodge beetles all day, but at some point they gotta die if you want the fight to end.

Wing

Warden

lol, poor DK :C

xv1_me

All twenty of them blur into one class.

ResidentContrarian

Wing wrote: »

lol, poor DK :C

I am sure someone will post DK.

Anyone playing a mag DK now and winning knows how angry Wardens, Necros, and gank NBs get when they lose to one. Also that players playing those classes that lose to a DK claim DK is "op" and godmode in hate tells...

At least one of them will appear!

Marcus_Aurelius

Ball group spamming Heals and Aoe all the time .
Every other class I can try to fight, sometime I win, sometime I lose.

Janus_Cruenti

Necromancer

Never had an issue with wardens in Cyro. NB are sometimes annoying, especially those one that apparently can be faster than any horse with their teleport-attack plus they just can go invisible if you fight back and delay the fight. But they can be countered pretty effectively, and at least play the way the class was intended. With that argument in mind, I despite those extremely tanky necros. Their damage output is usually medicore (enough to kill mindless randoms in lfg groups), but if they decide to go in definsive, they are pretty much unkillable to even small groups. They don't really pose a big threat, but are just annoying to deal with, especially when they run arround towers at resources or keeps. Mostly you can simply ignore them but again, it is just not fun to play against them with builds that I find questionable if it were ever intended that you could play like this.

CaperGuy

How are tanky werewolves to fight, now?

xylena_lazarow

Nightblade

The constant threat of stealth one shots is the most annoying thing to me now, even if those NBs aren't actually that hard to kill. I've seen relatively few Wardens or Necros, and while their tanky healy thing is annoying, they usually don't feel threatening. Seems like all the meta hoppers have rerolled to NB, gotta be the most played Cyro class now.

L_Nici

Warden

Warden by far, they are just so insanely powerful no matter if Stamina or Magicka, both are best in their field.
I am a little surprised that we see so few Necros currently, they were so powerful and only came out of fashion as Procs got disabled, maybe they come back in the next few weeks.

Wing

Warden

Krulzuk wrote: »

How are tanky werewolves to fight, now?

i have only seen 1 WW recently.

everyone was so worried that they would be OP again but soo far proc sets are far worse.

Wing

Warden

L_Nici wrote: »

Warden by far, they are just so insanely powerful no matter if Stamina or Magicka, both are best in their field.
I am a little surprised that we see so few Necros currently, they were so powerful and only came out of fashion as Procs got disabled, maybe they come back in the next few weeks.

most people that play necro did so because it was meta at the time, currently warden is meta. there are still necro's but i do recognize names and its always quite obvious when you see the meta humpers all jumping to one class or another.

Earthewen

The Troll ... period.

xylena_lazarow

Nightblade

Wing wrote: »

but soo far proc sets are far worse.

What proc sets are giving you trouble?

Vevvev

Warden

ResidentContrarian wrote: »

Wing wrote: »

lol, poor DK :C

I am sure someone will post DK.

Anyone playing a mag DK now and winning knows how angry Wardens, Necros, and gank NBs get when they lose to one. Also that players playing those classes that lose to a DK claim DK is "op" and godmode in hate tells...

At least one of them will appear!

"Your proc set carried you." - Templar

"Okay I won't use it then." - Me on my magDK

Still wins

They also love to say Fossilize is OP due to how much stamina it drains and all that. Why I personally never dodge roll out of immobilizations unless I have to. I typically use something like Race Against Time or Mistform instead.

Wing

Warden

isnt anyone scurd of dk . . . :C

BASIClyGOD

Sorcerer

Wing wrote: »

isnt anyone scurd of dk . . . :C

Why should they be? We are outclassed in almost every category. Stam Dk sucks and Mag Dk requires more attentiveness than any other Mag class to succeed at. We have zero maneuverability and more than half of our class skills don't even see use outside pve. What is there to be scared of?

BASIClyGOD

Sorcerer

BASIClyGOD wrote: »

Mag Dk requires more attentiveness than any other Mag class to succeed at.

*except Magblade

monkiie

Necromancer

imagine saying warden is more annoying to fight than a necro

Jules

Necromancer

Honestly tough call between warden and necro but the targetable BB chunking 10k+ really seals the deal for me.

Fawn4287

Nightblade

Stamblade, wardens and necro are all hard to fight but stamblade is by far the most annoying, being able to be 1 hit whilst they can choose when and if they want to reengage, and nearly never be able to get heavy attacks off to get resources back. Magblade is very weak and magdk is pitiful to say the least, I actually feel sorry and bad fighting them the class is outright garbage.

Jameson18

Necromancer

I feel like warden is still on top of this list right now because of encounter frequency.

Wait until everyone figures out the templar changes.

Warden's reduced heal will put necro over it now. Especially with the increasing commonality of people realizing the power of scythe and resistant flesh after the 1k spell damage and max stat increases from FoA.

After the health recovery gimping, Blighted blastbones, although having its moments, will now be king. Scythe with its HoT are now higher healing than Arctic Blast/Polar Wind.

Stam DK is in a solid place with the FoA increases and is underrated. More balance will become noticeable as people start to migrate away from whatever it is that they're complaining about being nerfed.

I have all of them, so no, its not favoritism. I have a stam and mag of each class. I spend most of my time class and build testing. I did at one point feel warden and necro were overtuned, so I parked them to play the others. Between some patches and just getting experience with the other classes and builds, everything pretty much leveled out, with the exception of Necro. Its still a bit above the fold. We'll see how it develops out of this update and the subsequent patches we're about to see.

gamma71

Warden

Jameson18 wrote: »

I feel like warden is still on top of this list right now because of encounter frequency.

Wait until everyone figures out the templar changes.

Warden's reduced heal will put necro over it now. Especially with the increasing commonality of people realizing the power of scythe and resistant flesh after the 1k spell damage and max stat increases from FoA.

After the health recovery gimping, Blighted blastbones, although having its moments, will now be king. Scythe with its HoT are now higher healing than Arctic Blast/Polar Wind.

Stam DK is in a solid place with the FoA increases and is underrated. More balance will become noticeable as people start to migrate away from whatever it is that they're complaining about being nerfed.

I have all of them, so no, its not favoritism. I have a stam and mag of each class. I spend most of my time class and build testing. I did at one point feel warden and necro were overtuned, so I parked them to play the others. Between some patches and just getting experience with the other classes and builds, everything pretty much leveled out, with the exception of Necro. Its still a bit above the fold. We'll see how it develops out of this update and the subsequent patches we're about to see.

I only saw 2 changes to DK coagulating blood and molten armaments. There's a reason DK is the bottom of the list it's become a clunky to play uninspired mess in pvp. I wanna get my 5 star finished with my DK and trust me that's the only reason I play him.

Jameson18

Necromancer

gamma71 wrote: »

I only saw 2 changes to DK coagulating blood and molten armaments. There's a reason DK is the bottom of the list it's become a clunky to play uninspired mess in pvp. I wanna get my 5 star finished with my DK and trust me that's the only reason I play him.

Everyone was given an extra 1k spell and weapon damage in either Markarth or FoA. This synergizes incredibly for stam dk.

I don't know. I don't have any issues on either of my DK's. Although I would say I wouldn't mind some cost updates on mag skills a bit.

Fragmented shield and Cauterize is one of the best combinations in the game right now. I wonder if people don't know that it goes off on activation, before it starts its 5 second cycle.

In a nutshell, I think a good 80% of class balance discussions or complaints are based on someone getting smoked by something.

I'll bite though. If you look at it analytically, the original classes are based on a rock/paper/scissors setup, while the 2 classes introduced later are more "jack of all trades". Its easy enough to have it be off putting or scream imbalance when most of the folks making the complaints haven't actually spent any palpable time truly playing or learning the other classes. Learning strengths, weaknesses, animations and cues, etc.

Vevvev

Warden

Someone finally voted DK.

Andre_Noir

Warden

The bugs still invisible and hits from 1st floor to 3d

Solariken

Warden

Werewolves not on the list - easily the dumbest thing I encounter. I wish zos would nerf the survivability (by a lot) and buff the killing power a little.

Dojohoda

I've not entered pvp areas since the patch (yet), but based on the poll so far ....