queue with companions

xv1_me

can you please implement the idea that if i have my companion out, i can set her role and queue for random norm/dungeon (maybe queue for trial finder soon?) for the remaining 2 players?

also can we have our alts as house guests in our houses? thanks

Nastassiya

They did not intend for them to replace human players. This is the very reason why their damage output and ability to tank are severely handicapped. Companions can not even work around boss mechanics.

Amottica

Nastassiya wrote: »

They did not intend for them to replace human players. This is the very reason why their damage output and ability to tank are severely handicapped. Companions can not even work around boss mechanics.

While I have no idea what their intentions are, I would agree with the sentiment that it is best to leave the queue for real players.

Nastassiya

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-gb/news/post/60009

Philip Draven, ESO’s Lead Systems Designer wrote:

they are not intended to replace or be as powerful as other players

PigofSteel

Amottica wrote: »

Nastassiya wrote: »

They did not intend for them to replace human players. This is the very reason why their damage output and ability to tank are severely handicapped. Companions can not even work around boss mechanics.

While I have no idea what their intentions are, I would agree with the sentiment that it is best to leave the queue for real players.

I think their intention was that you dont feel solo in mmo and marketing for blackwood.

Amottica

PigofSteel wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Nastassiya wrote: »

They did not intend for them to replace human players. This is the very reason why their damage output and ability to tank are severely handicapped. Companions can not even work around boss mechanics.

While I have no idea what their intentions are, I would agree with the sentiment that it is best to leave the queue for real players.

I think their intention was that you dont feel solo in mmo and marketing for blackwood.

I was speaking to the specifics of the topic of this thread. If they are queueing for a dungeon, companions or not, they are choosing to play with others, not solo.

Nastassiya

Yes, and their only option is to travel directly to the dungeon and enter manually, forgoing to bonus experience for a completion. That is how they can enter with their companion and another real life live player.

xv1_me

All im suggesting is that if we have companions out, they shouldnt be auto kicked when found queue..that only leaves us to explore and rp with our companions rather than use them, even 10k dps is cool as long as they are useable in dungeons if we choose.

Nastassiya

The acceptable method: Ask guild members to queue with you and then leave
or
The trashy method: Conspire with the 3rd person to kick the 4th person out and then you and your friend kick out the 3rd person you conspired with.

These are the only ways you and your friend will ever get the random dungeon bonus experience as a pair. The queue is designed for a 4 person party; the random bonus reward is because you're helping three other players.

Companions are not people. They are crowd control, DOTs, and health replenishment tools. They are NOT people.

xv1_me

Nastassiya wrote: »

The acceptable method: Ask guild members to queue with you and then leave
or
The trashy method: Conspire with the 3rd person to kick the 4th person out and then you and your friend kick out the 3rd person you conspired with.

These are the only ways you and your friend will ever get the random dungeon bonus experience as a pair. The queue is designed for a 4 person party; the random bonus reward is because you're helping three other players.

Companions are not people. They are crowd control, DOTs, and health replenishment tools. They are NOT people.

hahahah

and yea i know the ways of doing it but in the end i only got like 3k xp from a random for my companion so not worth it i guess

Nastassiya

I just go into public dungeons and throw out AOE buffs on people as they run around trying to get as much Mothers Sorrow as possible. It's quick exp, for both myself and my companion, plus profitable.

xv1_me

also if they arent gonna count as "people" then why not allow us use them in dungeons with full groups? i mean..its only pve

Nastassiya

Because that causes more problems.

You can't change the dungeon bosses because it hurts people that do not have Blackwood. If you cant change that then it makes the fight a bit easier because you essentially have the 4 combined companions doing 40k dps, if they even live 20 seconds into the encounter. The only way the game changes bosses is going from vet to hardmode via the scroll/book.

XxCaLxX

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

kargen27

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

XxCaLxX

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Yeah I know what is it for but does it really work that way? Day in and day out you see ppl complaining about fake roles, and what are ppl's advice? "Join a guild" or "only run with pre-mades". So how is that helping players run a specific dungeon with a Q? Let ppl play how they want if it isn't effecting other ppl's play so 2 ppl agreeing to q'ing with 2 companions isn't hurting anyone else.

Nastassiya

No, you are hurting other players because not everyone has, or wants, to buy this DLC. Not enough people are tanks and healers and that is the problem. Companions are not meant to replace humans. Going in a dungeon, with a companion, is a human replacement. You're trying to replace a player with a companion and ZOS does not want that to happen.

xv1_me

Nastassiya wrote: »

No, you are hurting other players because not everyone has, or wants, to buy this DLC. Not enough people are tanks and healers and that is the problem. Companions are not meant to replace humans. Going in a dungeon, with a companion, is a human replacement. You're trying to replace a player with a companion and ZOS does not want that to happen.

In no way does my post hurt players without dlc.

xv1_me

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Not it doesn’t?

Nastassiya

xv1_me wrote: »

Nastassiya wrote: »

No, you are hurting other players because not everyone has, or wants, to buy this DLC. Not enough people are tanks and healers and that is the problem. Companions are not meant to replace humans. Going in a dungeon, with a companion, is a human replacement. You're trying to replace a player with a companion and ZOS does not want that to happen.

In no way does my post hurt players without dlc.

My reply was directed at XxCaLxX

If you and someone else queue up with companions then that takes away two other players from running that same random. The bonus for doing random dungeons is a reward for participating with other players and providing them with access to content. Nothing is preventing you, and your friend, from teleporting directly to the dungeon and completing it with companions. The reward is an incentive to play with 3 other persons.

kargen27

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Yeah I know what is it for but does it really work that way? Day in and day out you see ppl complaining about fake roles, and what are ppl's advice? "Join a guild" or "only run with pre-mades". So how is that helping players run a specific dungeon with a Q? Let ppl play how they want if it isn't effecting other ppl's play so 2 ppl agreeing to q'ing with 2 companions isn't hurting anyone else.

Yes it works that way. I use it to get pledges done when none of my guild mates are available or if the pledges are easy. Fake roles are a different problem having little to do with why the random daily was created. There have been viable suggestions made in other threads on ways to help alleviate players queueing on fake roles. You can play how you want when it doesn't affect other players. Queuing with a companion does affect other players especially DPS as it could increase wait times.

redspecter23

I think if you have a full group of 4, whether they are players or companions, you should be able to instant queue. I've heard the counter argument that players in the random are meant to fill in for those looking for a specific dungeon and I'd counter that by saying that my friend and I have no desire to group with others all the time. The ability to do a random normal dungeon with a player companion mix that adds up to 4 should be a possibility.

I do agree completely that queueing with a companion and yourself alone is definitely not cool.

etchedpixels

redspecter23 wrote: »

I do agree completely that queueing with a companion and yourself alone is definitely not cool.

For non randoms you can walk in the door in any sized group up to four, and you can make it up to four with companions but you might want to wait until the disappearing gear problem is hotfixed. In a dungeon group if someone quits you can pull out a companion - in fact if you had one at the point you got ported in they'll pop straight up.

For randoms I really wish they'd add the ability to queue in undersized groups, companions or otherwise so that all the toxic speedrunners out for crystals just ran them solo, instead of basically running them solo whilst ruining it for 3 other people.

redspecter23

etchedpixels wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I do agree completely that queueing with a companion and yourself alone is definitely not cool.

For non randoms you can walk in the door in any sized group up to four, and you can make it up to four with companions but you might want to wait until the disappearing gear problem is hotfixed. In a dungeon group if someone quits you can pull out a companion - in fact if you had one at the point you got ported in they'll pop straight up.

For randoms I really wish they'd add the ability to queue in undersized groups, companions or otherwise so that all the toxic speedrunners out for crystals just ran them solo, instead of basically running them solo whilst ruining it for 3 other people.

I agree. I think the benefits far outweigh the negatives if we were allowed to queue for a random normal (or even vet) with a premade, non standard group. If someone wants to zerg, they can do that on their own and get the queue pop instantly. If you just want to queue with friends, you can. If you're a new player and need a solid group for that random normal, you don't want that zerger or anyone else that doesn't really want to be there anyway. You deserve to group with others that actually want to be there.

Nastassiya

But what you're saying is you want eat your cake and your ice cream too.

You and your friend can already go to any dungeon directly and use companions.

But you should never get the bonus completion experience that is meant for doing the random in a full group of actual players. The reward isn't just for "doing it" else they would have allowed you to queue with what ever group makeup you wanted, including just the solo people.

Is you look at post #4, which I provided a source link, companions are not suppose to ever replace a player. So no, they shouldn't be able to supplement a player because they very much intended them to never have that role.

XxCaLxX

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Yeah I know what is it for but does it really work that way? Day in and day out you see ppl complaining about fake roles, and what are ppl's advice? "Join a guild" or "only run with pre-mades". So how is that helping players run a specific dungeon with a Q? Let ppl play how they want if it isn't effecting other ppl's play so 2 ppl agreeing to q'ing with 2 companions isn't hurting anyone else.

Yes it works that way. I use it to get pledges done when none of my guild mates are available or if the pledges are easy. Fake roles are a different problem having little to do with why the random daily was created. There have been viable suggestions made in other threads on ways to help alleviate players queueing on fake roles. You can play how you want when it doesn't affect other players. Queuing with a companion does affect other players especially DPS as it could increase wait times.

I thought I was being clear on what I meant but if not explain to me how me and a buddy with our companions q’ing for a dungeon effect others? If it were allowed is what I mean. I know companions don’t replace real players so it cannot be done but if it could it would be an auto Q. How would that effect another DD that is q’d?

Elrond87

prob end up with people in pairs using group finder to kick the other 2 out and use their companions i bet

Nastassiya

Elrond87 wrote: »

prob end up with people in pairs using group finder to kick the other 2 out and use their companions i bet

It takes 3 people to kick out the 4th person out so it wont be so easy to do.

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I thought I was being clear on what I meant but if not explain to me how me and a buddy with our companions q’ing for a dungeon effect others? If it were allowed is what I mean. I know companions don’t replace real players so it cannot be done but if it could it would be an auto Q. How would that effect another DD that is q’d?

The hypothetical is pointless because it the lead developer won't let that happen since they are adamant against replacing players with a companion. This literally happened in EverQuest with their followers. I ran two accounts, an enchanter and necromancer. One account had a tank follower and the other had a cleric and I never needed a group again for anything other than raid content. ESO devs make sure to keep the view of life in the game by not allowing merchant allies to repair your gear, so you need to go to town. If you want to manage a guild store then you need to go to town, instead of using the banker ally. They are not going to reward you with random dungeon bonus experience when it's against their vision of encountering new people.

kargen27

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Yeah I know what is it for but does it really work that way? Day in and day out you see ppl complaining about fake roles, and what are ppl's advice? "Join a guild" or "only run with pre-mades". So how is that helping players run a specific dungeon with a Q? Let ppl play how they want if it isn't effecting other ppl's play so 2 ppl agreeing to q'ing with 2 companions isn't hurting anyone else.

Yes it works that way. I use it to get pledges done when none of my guild mates are available or if the pledges are easy. Fake roles are a different problem having little to do with why the random daily was created. There have been viable suggestions made in other threads on ways to help alleviate players queueing on fake roles. You can play how you want when it doesn't affect other players. Queuing with a companion does affect other players especially DPS as it could increase wait times.

I thought I was being clear on what I meant but if not explain to me how me and a buddy with our companions q’ing for a dungeon effect others? If it were allowed is what I mean. I know companions don’t replace real players so it cannot be done but if it could it would be an auto Q. How would that effect another DD that is q’d?

If there is a person looking for a specific dungeon you and your friend queueing with companions take away one chance of him landing his group. Same with four people who group together and then queue for a random. I don't think that should be allowed either but it is at least four players taking the spots and not two players taking four slots.

XxCaLxX

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

XxCaLxX wrote: »

I think it would be ok if 2 ppl had a group and both had companions out. I mean if both ppl want to do a random with other 2 being companions then would work fine. I would do it, it would definitely make getting a random done faster. It would also keep some of the higher end players out of the normal q's as tanks/healers that everyone complains about.

The queue is to help players that want to run a specific dungeon fill their group. Allowing players to queue with their companion takes away from the reason the random daily exists.

Yeah I know what is it for but does it really work that way? Day in and day out you see ppl complaining about fake roles, and what are ppl's advice? "Join a guild" or "only run with pre-mades". So how is that helping players run a specific dungeon with a Q? Let ppl play how they want if it isn't effecting other ppl's play so 2 ppl agreeing to q'ing with 2 companions isn't hurting anyone else.

Yes it works that way. I use it to get pledges done when none of my guild mates are available or if the pledges are easy. Fake roles are a different problem having little to do with why the random daily was created. There have been viable suggestions made in other threads on ways to help alleviate players queueing on fake roles. You can play how you want when it doesn't affect other players. Queuing with a companion does affect other players especially DPS as it could increase wait times.

I thought I was being clear on what I meant but if not explain to me how me and a buddy with our companions q’ing for a dungeon effect others? If it were allowed is what I mean. I know companions don’t replace real players so it cannot be done but if it could it would be an auto Q. How would that effect another DD that is q’d?

If there is a person looking for a specific dungeon you and your friend queueing with companions take away one chance of him landing his group. Same with four people who group together and then queue for a random. I don't think that should be allowed either but it is at least four players taking the spots and not two players taking four slots.

Randoms most likely were made for the points you bring up but whether they were or not randoms are done for 2 things, XP and transmutes. People want to get in and get them done ASAP. I accept that allowing Comapanions to count toward group in Q isn't the best idea but I would still take advantage of the feature as most people would to get randoms done faster and maybe you're right it wouldn't be good for the game but to say you don't think a group of 4 players q'ing for random shouldn't be allowed is a bit much.