Hardcore Server

Ippokrates

Well, many of us would love to see overland content getting harder but lets be honest -that would not happen. So, maybe instead offer something else?

WHAT IF the gameplay would be kept exactly as it is, but ZOS could offer us a new server - with one small change: you can have only one character. One global server for everyone.

So... everyone starts from zero, and have only one char to complete all: overland content, dungeons, arenas, trials, crafting, pvp... You get the idea? So probably you can think of consequences of that, so for example, if everyone goes Sorc or NB, PUGS life would get much more... interesting

Sounds fun or not?

TequilaFire

PS4/5 NA/EU
Xbox NA/EU
PC NA/EU

That is six servers.

Stratti

Bud... they can barely manage this server.

Blood_again

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

Let's go further in the direction of your idea:
- no skills reset
- no stats reset
- no champion points reset
- no appearance changes
- no group role changes (you've chosen to be somebody... forever. Hahaha)
That would've made the consequences of your choice real. Makes sense?

Honestly, there are some games of that kind have been made in the past. I don't see any reason to bring it to ESO.
Also I can't see any reason to do it for ZOS. There are lots of expenses as consequences, but no efforts.

I enjoy my alts. I use all of them to play PvP, trials, crafting and questing. Yes, the whole activity list by each of them.
So I don't need any factor forcing me to do something I already do. Why do you need so?

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

Blood_again wrote: »

Let's go further in the direction of your idea:
- no skills reset
- no stats reset
- no champion points reset
- no appearance changes
- no group role changes (you've chosen to be somebody... forever. Hahaha)
That would've made the consequences of your choice real. Makes sense?

Honestly, there are some games of that kind have been made in the past. I don't see any reason to bring it to ESO.
Also I can't see any reason to do it for ZOS. There are lots of expenses as consequences, but no efforts.

I enjoy my alts. I use all of them to play PvP, trials, crafting and questing. Yes, the whole activity list by each of them.
So I don't need any factor forcing me to do something I already do. Why do you need so?

Lets not go strawman...

lolo_01b16_ESO

Not too excited about having to level riding, do crafting research and repeat some of the boring grinds.
But if the hardcore server actually deserves it's name and requires multiple experienced players to defeat overland bosses and buffs base game dungeons to a level comparable to stonegarden, sure, I'll create a new character.
However, if difficulty stays the same or only gets slightly increased, I won't join that server.

DonHardstyle

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

It sounds interesting. And will be an interesting experiment to, but i would keep it next to my normal account then.

RuneScape has something similar. You can't trade, you cant buy stuff and when you die you're dead dead. So no respawn. Can't remember how they called it iron mode or something ?

Blood_again

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

Ippokrates wrote: »

Lets not go strawman...

Hey, I haven't offered a permadeath yet!

Really, what's a hardcore thing in playing the only character and no any other gameplay changes?
Sorry, it's not about the hardcore but boredom I think.

The only thing for ZOS in this idea is creating an alt there = buying the game again. Doubt that would work.

Stevie6

I’m not going to flame or bait this thread. Your idea is a good one but you have to recognize that other players need the opposite as well. The current server gets progressively harder with more difficult content. Why not give the players a choice. Three modes of play : Easy, Normal, and Hard (hard mode)?

furiouslog

I'd rather that the current servers worked properly than add a new server with features I don't care about.

It would also create outrage any time ZOS nerfs a class and shifts the balance of power, which happens about every three months or so. That's the primary reason we all have alts in the first place.

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

Blood_again wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Lets not go strawman...

Hey, I haven't offered a permadeath yet!

Really, what's a hardcore thing in playing the only character and no any other gameplay changes?
Sorry, it's not about the hardcore but boredom I think.

The only thing for ZOS in this idea is creating an alt there = buying the game again. Doubt that would work.

But you know that you play at both NA & EU servers and even keep you crafting bag active (plus crowns are shared).

You said boredom. But for me a reality where player can't go full meta and must carefully balance between different types of activity (especially pve vs pvp) is quite interesting.

And due to limited grinding disparity between players wouldn't be so massive as now.

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

Stevie6 wrote: »

I’m not going to flame or bait this thread. Your idea is a good one but you have to recognize that other players need the opposite as well. The current server gets progressively harder with more difficult content. Why not give the players a choice. Three modes of play : Easy, Normal, and Hard (hard mode)?

Sure, that's the whole point. Content (mainly dungeons) is getting harder, but it seems that players capabilities (mainly equipment) are slightly ahead of those changes (and now we'll have a massive nerf to all procs).

So maybe go in other direction and instead of nerfing sets limit amount of resources & transmutes players have, so they would need to be more carefully about their gameplay.

But of course only those who like that kind of challenge. And yes, overland content could be little more challenging, cause I don't think that any (reasonable) new player would start game from hardcore

rumple9

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

Just take your armour off and equip a level 1 weapon if you want more difficulty

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

furiouslog wrote: »

I'd rather that the current servers worked properly than add a new server with features I don't care about.

It would also create outrage any time ZOS nerfs a class and shifts the balance of power, which happens about every three months or so. That's the primary reason we all have alts in the first place.

Maybe such server with smaller and more specialized community would be more suitable to balance things... Of course if any "communications" would exist.

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

rumple9 wrote: »

Just take your armour off and equip a level 1 weapon if you want more difficulty

Nah, selecting and keeping different types of armours for different activities is much more fun.

furiouslog

Ippokrates wrote: »

furiouslog wrote: »

I'd rather that the current servers worked properly than add a new server with features I don't care about.

It would also create outrage any time ZOS nerfs a class and shifts the balance of power, which happens about every three months or so. That's the primary reason we all have alts in the first place.

Maybe such server with smaller and more specialized community would be more suitable to balance things... Of course if any "communications" would exist.

I'm sure that if all of you were willing to sub for $100/month, ZOS would make it happen.

Blood_again

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

Ippokrates wrote: »

You said boredom. But for me a reality where player can't go full meta and must carefully balance between different types of activity (especially pve vs pvp) is quite interesting.

Respec and time isolated activities make keeping full meta just more expensive but still easy. That's why I told about "no respec" from start.

Ippokrates wrote: »

And due to limited grinding disparity between players wouldn't be so massive as now.

Disparity problem would be back in less then half a year then.
Opening a new server... Wipe of characters... Those are solutions of old MMO. I don't believe ZOS would use something like this.

JKorr

Ippokrates wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Let's go further in the direction of your idea:
- no skills reset
- no stats reset
- no champion points reset
- no appearance changes
- no group role changes (you've chosen to be somebody... forever. Hahaha)
That would've made the consequences of your choice real. Makes sense?

Honestly, there are some games of that kind have been made in the past. I don't see any reason to bring it to ESO.
Also I can't see any reason to do it for ZOS. There are lots of expenses as consequences, but no efforts.

I enjoy my alts. I use all of them to play PvP, trials, crafting and questing. Yes, the whole activity list by each of them.
So I don't need any factor forcing me to do something I already do. Why do you need so?

Lets not go strawman...

Why not one step farther? Your character dies, the game erases itself from your hard drive and you have to download it again. That would be totally hardcore....tryhards and wanna-be fakes need not apply.

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

JKorr wrote: »

Ippokrates wrote: »

Blood_again wrote: »

Let's go further in the direction of your idea:
- no skills reset
- no stats reset
- no champion points reset
- no appearance changes
- no group role changes (you've chosen to be somebody... forever. Hahaha)
That would've made the consequences of your choice real. Makes sense?

Honestly, there are some games of that kind have been made in the past. I don't see any reason to bring it to ESO.
Also I can't see any reason to do it for ZOS. There are lots of expenses as consequences, but no efforts.

I enjoy my alts. I use all of them to play PvP, trials, crafting and questing. Yes, the whole activity list by each of them.
So I don't need any factor forcing me to do something I already do. Why do you need so?

Lets not go strawman...

Why not one step farther? Your character dies, the game erases itself from your hard drive and you have to download it again. That would be totally hardcore....tryhards and wanna-be fakes need not apply.

Sure, it works for Diablo (to some extend, cause you can always replace saved ) but in case of ESO answer is simple and well known: because of lags such a solutions is out of question.

colossalvoids

I already could delete all other chars other than my main and all I'll lose is dolls to dress and daily writ crafter's, not that much of a deal tbh.

Tandor

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

Blood_again wrote: »

Let's go further in the direction of your idea:
- no skills reset
- no stats reset
- no champion points reset
- no appearance changes
- no group role changes (you've chosen to be somebody... forever. Hahaha)
That would've made the consequences of your choice real. Makes sense?

Honestly, there are some games of that kind have been made in the past. I don't see any reason to bring it to ESO.
Also I can't see any reason to do it for ZOS. There are lots of expenses as consequences, but no efforts.

I enjoy my alts. I use all of them to play PvP, trials, crafting and questing. Yes, the whole activity list by each of them.
So I don't need any factor forcing me to do something I already do. Why do you need so?

The reasons for ZOS not to do it are (a) you couldn't have one server across all platforms and regions so the cost of multiple servers for this would be prohibitive and (b) there's simply not the demand for it to be viable. What does it add other than restricting an account to a single character? I don't call that "hardcore".

Solid_Metal

Ippokrates wrote: »

Well, many of us would love to see overland content getting harder but lets be honest -that would not happen. So, maybe instead offer something else?

WHAT IF the gameplay would be kept exactly as it is, but ZOS could offer us a new server - with one small change: you can have only one character. One global server for everyone.

So... everyone starts from zero, and have only one char to complete all: overland content, dungeons, arenas, trials, crafting, pvp... You get the idea? So probably you can think of consequences of that, so for example, if everyone goes Sorc or NB, PUGS life would get much more... interesting

Sounds fun or not?

so....whats the point then ?, whats the difference it is from the current server ?, only that everyone start from 0 ?, what if other people enter the server 3 months after it open ?, can they enter the server or not ?

lets touch about "veteran" overland difficulty, my idea is, just gave a toggle button on character screen, choose your difficulty level there, click apply, then the game will apply debuff to your character (ex: receive higher damage, decrease damage output, disabling CP), i think its much feasible than this

Chips_Ahoy

How about this:

Every time you die ZOS will send someone to your house to hit you with a mace.

Urzigurumash

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

No UI

No 3rd Person

Delete your toon if you die

WiseSky

Add Perma Death, All of Tamriel is Full Loot PVP and I am IN !

Tandor

Nah, stupid idea (I am altoholic)

WiseSky wrote: »

Add Perma Death, All of Tamriel is Full Loot PVP and I am IN !

Good luck to you and the person agreeing with you on finding each other in the whole of Tamriel - will you take it in turns to kill and loot each other (like it would have been with PvP added to the Justice System) ?

Goregrinder

If it's a PVP server with open world PVP, then I'd do it. Otherwise if it's just a hardcore PVE server, then it's just...meh.

francesinhalover

The servers we have aren't even that good, imagine them wasting money on a new server.


They could add a hard mode achievement for doing X content without cp.

Amottica

TequilaFire wrote: »

PS4/5 NA/EU
Xbox NA/EU
PC NA/EU

That is six servers.

and the many who would love it are probably not enough for it to be economically feasible. I noticed that there are not even servers geographically located for OCE/SEA players which says a lot about the possibility for hardcore servers.

Sylvermynx

Amottica wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

PS4/5 NA/EU
Xbox NA/EU
PC NA/EU

That is six servers.

and the many who would love it are probably not enough for it to be economically feasible. I noticed that there are not even servers geographically located for OCE/SEA players which says a lot about the possibility for hardcore servers.

Not to mention further fragmenting the player base....

Ippokrates

I would like to try that kind of challenge.

Urzigurumash wrote: »

No UI

No 3rd Person

Delete your toon if you die

yeah, fighting without UI is so much better fun then with all those addons