Shadowstrike, what is the point?

Jeremy

When you kill an enemy with Blade of Woe, you become invisible for 5 seconds after a short delay while distracting nearby enemies or potential witnesses. While under this effect you can cast Blade of Woe.

So I tried this out today, and the invisible doesn't seem to kick in in time to avoid nearby enemies or potential witnesses from seeing you. So unless I am missing something (which I may) this seems useless? What is the point of turning invisible for 5 seconds after using Blade of Woe if it doesn't do it in time to avoid being seen? Why would someone want to spend 75 points on this?

Warstory

I tried it out for a couple of weeks and the only thing it does that's even slightly useful is keeping you from getting attacked by npcs if you move away fast enough after using Blade of Woe. It's doesn't stop you from getting a bounty or npcs aggroing to you, but if you move away fastest enough they will de-aggro after the invis kicks in as long as they are not close to you (around 10 meters). It's worthless 95% of the time.

Jeremy

Warstory wrote: »

I tried it out for a couple of weeks and the only thing it does that's even slightly useful is keeping you from getting attacked by npcs if you move away fast enough after using Blade of Woe. It's doesn't stop you from getting a bounty or npcs aggroing to you, but if you move away fastest enough they will de-aggro after the invis kicks in as long as they are not close to you (around 10 meters). It's worthless 95% of the time.

I see.

I guess maybe it's for non Night Blades then or ones who don't use shadowy disguise who want to drop aggro with invisible right after getting caught using Blade of Woe. Think I'll put my 75 points elsewhere. ^^

OlumoGarbag

The passive only works if you weren't detected. If you slot 7 medium armor and stay a couple of meters away from the next NPC you can blade of woe one of the then be invisible (undetected) and kill the next in any class not only nightblade

Jeremy

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

The passive only works if you weren't detected. If you slot 7 medium armor and stay a couple of meters away from the next NPC you can blade of woe one of the then be invisible (undetected) and kill the next in any class not only nightblade

I think tried that strategy but it was too much trouble to line up. You have to have two targets practically perfectly positioned so you can blade of woe your first target, which has to be completely isolated so you can't be seen, then a second target you can somehow manage to get behind and blade of woe in a span of 5 seconds. I don't know, but it just seemed like a lot of work for a couple hundred gold to me.

My point about none Night Blades was in reference to Warstory's post, which was to take advantage of the invisible to escape aggro after you are seen, which obviously a Night Blade can do naturally. So that's what I was meaning with that comment.

Everstorm

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

The passive only works if you weren't detected. If you slot 7 medium armor and stay a couple of meters away from the next NPC you can blade of woe one of the then be invisible (undetected) and kill the next in any class not only nightblade

But if you aren't detected when using Blade of Woe you automatically go back into to stealth. I don't see the point, certainly not for 75 cps.
I'm also surprised that they put in a CP ability that requires a specific DLC. I always play with ESO+, that's not my point, it just feels strange.

OlumoGarbag

Nbs cant do that either. Cloak isnt a magic get out of jail card. Guards can easily decloak you. Besides it take 1 sec between BoW and cloak so you will be detected as well.

If you would instantly cloak undetected after every BoW kill it would be super overpowered. You could farm all towns kill all the npcs and not get a single bounty.

Jeremy

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

Nbs cant do that either. Cloak isnt a magic get out of jail card. Guards can easily decloak you. Besides it take 1 sec between BoW and cloak so you will be detected as well.

If you would instantly cloak undetected after every BoW kill it would be super overpowered. You could farm all towns kill all the npcs and not get a single bounty.

You can cloak to escape aggro from guards and NPCs as a Nightblade. I do it frequently dozens of times a day. So yes, they can do that. ^^ if your Night Blade cannot do this, then it must be bugged or something. I would consider calling a GM and reporting it.

I also never said you could use Blade of Woe while cloaked to avoid detection. You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.

This is what I said to you:

My point about none Night Blades was in reference to Warstory's post, which was to take advantage of the invisible to escape aggro after you are seen, which obviously a Night Blade can do naturally. So that's what I was meaning with that comment.


How did you interpret that comment to mean I said you could use Blade of Woe while cloaked? I clearly say in that comment after you are seen.

The invisible from Shadow Strike only lasts for 5 seconds, and it does not prevent you from being detected during the initial Blade of Woe you have to use to trigger it. So unless you have a situation perfectly lined up where there is one isolated NPC and then another NPC nearby you can get behind and stab in 5 seconds that invisible from Shadow Strike is not going to help you use Blade of Woe without getting caught. That's what I was talking about.

And Warstory was talking about using the invisible from Shadow Strike to escape aggro. He was not talking about using it to use Blade of Woe undetected. And that's what I was suggesting was of little use to a Night Blade. Hopefully that clears things up some.

We also disagree that being able to use Blade of Woe without being detected would be "super overpowered". It's not even that good. It mostly just looks cool.

Jeremy

Everstorm wrote: »

OlumoGarbag wrote: »

The passive only works if you weren't detected. If you slot 7 medium armor and stay a couple of meters away from the next NPC you can blade of woe one of the then be invisible (undetected) and kill the next in any class not only nightblade

But if you aren't detected when using Blade of Woe you automatically go back into to stealth. I don't see the point, certainly not for 75 cps.
I'm also surprised that they put in a CP ability that requires a specific DLC. I always play with ESO+, that's not my point, it just feels strange.

I don't see the point either. It's only use as far as using Blade of Woe seems to be a chance to get a lucky strike in if the moons align and you just happen to have a second NPC perfectly positioned just outside of aggro range you can murder in the next 5 seconds. Outside of that unlikely scenario, it just seems worthless.

Warstory's scenario seems to be the only reliable use for it, which is a failsafe for none Night Blades to be able to escape aggro when they are caught while using Blade of Woe. Or I suppose for Night Blades who have defective cloaks that don't allow them to escape NPCs.

zaria

BoW has its own detect radius who is independent on how stealthy you are. Pickpocket has their own rules to.

Now NB blur or invisibility potions can get you out of guard combat agro, other option is to run away. You still get the bounty.

Jeremy

zaria wrote: »

BoW has its own detect radius who is independent on how stealthy you are. Pickpocket has their own rules to.

Now NB blur or invisibility potions can get you out of guard combat agro, other option is to run away. You still get the bounty.

I'm talking about the invisible effect from Shadow Strike, which is suppose to allow you to use Blade of Woe while invisible. Which sounds good. The problem is though the invisible doesn't kick in fast enough to keep you from being seen due to the "short delay". So its only use is giving you a 5 second window to pull off a Second Blade of Woe after you kill an isolated NPC who isn't close to other NPCs. So good luck with that. haha

It's more likely to increase your bounty by putting you in such a rush if you ask me. It's a waste of 75 points, especially for Nightlbades who can already use invisible at will to escape aggro from guards and NPCs.

bmnoble

Its a role play thing for those that want to feel more like an assassin or use the blade of woe on enemies instead of innocents where bounty is irrelevant.

You use it in combination with:

Padomaic Sprint is a Passive Skill in the Dark Brotherhood skill line.
Rank 4: Grants Major Expedition, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% for 12 seconds after killing an enemy with Blade of Woe. (Unlocked at Dark Brotherhood rank 12)

Makes getting to the next target easy or escaping easier, with the right stealth gear set up you can wipe out groups of humanoid enemies in delves/overland largely just using the blade of woe, there might even be some roleplayer using that Sithis Touch set for major berserk.

True you lose out on XP and it is overall slower to do but it is fun for awhile.

Jeremy

bmnoble wrote: »

Its a role play thing for those that want to feel more like an assassin or use the blade of woe on enemies instead of innocents where bounty is irrelevant.

You use it in combination with:

Padomaic Sprint is a Passive Skill in the Dark Brotherhood skill line.
Rank 4: Grants Major Expedition, increasing your Movement Speed by 30% for 12 seconds after killing an enemy with Blade of Woe. (Unlocked at Dark Brotherhood rank 12)

Makes getting to the next target easy or escaping easier, with the right stealth gear set up you can wipe out groups of humanoid enemies in delves/overland largely just using the blade of woe, there might even be some roleplayer using that Sithis Touch set for major berserk.

True you lose out on XP and it is overall slower to do but it is fun for awhile.

#Updated

So I tried your idea out bmnoble, but it still seemed to suck even against enemies. In the ideal and rare situation of a single enemy close to a group of enemies, there still wasn't enough time to get a second Blade of Woe off before the invisible of Shadow Strike wore. So unless I'm doing something wrong, it's just impossible to get that second Blade of Woe off in that tiny 4 second window. So I still don't see what the point is of having this invisible you can supposedly use Blade of Woe in when it doesn't last long enough to use Blade of Woe in. So that effect still seems utterly pointless to me.

In any case, if it is possible (which I doubt) it's way too difficult to pull off.

The invisible from Shadow Strike does drop aggro though, so I guess one can use it for that, like Warstory suggested. But that seems like such a pitiful use I honestly can't see anyone wasting 75 points on this. Not even role players. Better to just Blade of Woe the first guy in the group then kill the others. Because running in and out with that invisible to Blade of Woe them down one at a time just seems silly to me. Why would anyone want to do that?

RedFireDisco

My shadowstrike works the same as the bonus node passive, as in, not at all

Jeremy

RedFireDisco wrote: »

My shadowstrike works the same as the bonus node passive, as in, not at all

They should increase the invisible to like 20 or 30 seconds. If they did that, it might be useful for going on a Blade of Woe spree after you get your fist kill. But in its current state, there is no striking from the shadows. It's just a tiny window of invisibility that is useless as anything other than a mediocre way to escape aggro after you botch a Blade of Woe.

It's the biggest waste of points I've seen. I'd even take the reduced cost of using Wayshrines over this one.

Vaoh

The only weird part is that realistically, most players who use roleplayer stuff like this will be lower CP..... they’re focused on other aspects of the game that are not grinding CP.

The requirement for this star should be 25CP. Not 75.

Gunner19K

Not true above. I ran tel var farm against IC NPCs. Say there are 5 in a 28 meter circle and all facing me. If I BoW one, the other four get swirling circles around their feet which allows more BoW use from behind since they are rooted and even though some will fire bows at me. Each BoW use continues the effect on any humanoid in that range. Being detected is not an issue unless bounties are a concern. So being "seen" is not relevant here. It's not the only way to farm Tel Var, just a fun way to do differently regardless of class. For a nighblade, the only benefit is it keeps NPCs in a state where you can go behind and BoW them. I do agree the CP cost is high, especially the CP just to unlock it. I think I got it at about 950 CP or do and would create more fun for new players since I can nuke IC NPCs all day without Shadowstrike.

TaSheen

Quite a necro here, friend - 2.5 years....

wolfie1.0.

TaSheen wrote: »

Quite a necro here, friend - 2.5 years....

And at least 10 updates back...

ZOS_Icy

Greetings,

We have closed this topic as it was originally created in May 2021. In many cases, it's better to create a new thread on a topic that you want to discuss as opposed to bumping one that is rather old.

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