Zos, just let us console players transfer to pc

cougarisbae

Clearly the bugs and crashes and breaking the game after markath more and more has not worked. Let us just transfer our accounts to PC where this game is belonging.

trackdemon5512

Not happening. Stop asking and just switch platforms, starting over from scratch if it bothers you so much.

Seriously this keeps coming up and the official answer every time is that it’s not worth the time and effort of the engineering staff for an exceedingly difficult thing to do without corrupting data.

cougarisbae

They did it from pc to console. They can do it again.....

PigofSteel

My console brothers you really need a choice...
Support

Dagoth_Rac

cougarisbae wrote: »

They did it from pc to console. They can do it again.....

They did it into an empty console database. Huge difference. There was no existing data to merge with or corrupt.

Also, console users are often disappointed if they switch. Most of the bugs and lag and irritations on console are on PC, too. Or PC has its own unique bugs. Or you get to experience bugs a week before console, with no idea what is coming or how to prepare.

Console people expect some flawless ESO utopia on PC and are let down. It is better than console, but still has plenty of flaws.

cougarisbae

I’m also on pc bro, you try playing on console right now. It’s horrible. *** has been *** up since markath. It’s not that hard to let people transfer their stuff. Hell I would pay to do so!

Icy_Waffles

I’d pay to do so as well. PS4 player uninterested in restarting. Also uninterested in a ps5.

Wolfpaw

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I’d pay to do so as well. PS4 player uninterested in restarting. Also uninterested in a ps5.

I don't see it happening, too much money to be made moving to pc and starting over.

Goregrinder

cougarisbae wrote: »

Clearly the bugs and crashes and breaking the game after markath more and more has not worked. Let us just transfer our accounts to PC where this game is belonging.

They'd have to transfer assets from one database to another. Imagine a player from Xbox named DragonSlayer27, and the PCNA server also has a DragonSlayer27, and that's just individual character names. Players tend to have more than one character, so there could be way more redundant names per account. Both characters can't have the same name, so what do you do? Who gets to keep the name? And that doesn't account for any account names that are the same either.

What you're asking is the merging of two separate databases...it's not as simple as "Just click some stuff then reboot your machine man!". It's a nightmare...one that ZOS clearly does not want to live through.

DocFrost72

Goregrinder wrote: »

cougarisbae wrote: »

Clearly the bugs and crashes and breaking the game after markath more and more has not worked. Let us just transfer our accounts to PC where this game is belonging.

They'd have to transfer assets from one database to another. Imagine a player from Xbox named DragonSlayer27, and the PCNA server also has a DragonSlayer27, and that's just individual character names. Players tend to have more than one character, so there could be way more redundant names per account. Both characters can't have the same name, so what do you do? Who gets to keep the name? And that doesn't account for any account names that are the same either.

What you're asking is the merging of two separate databases...it's not as simple as "Just click some stuff then reboot your machine man!". It's a nightmare...one that ZOS clearly does not want to live through.

Saved me typing this. Thank you.

cougarisbae

Then get them a name change for that. It can happen.

OutLaw_Nynx

What part of this do you not get?

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/25807/~/can-i-transfer-my-eso-account-and-characters-between-different-platforms-or

Hanokihs

We can already link PC and Console accounts together, so that takes care of the "duplicate account names" issue. If you copy from console to PC, everything gets dumped under the PC name, which is already registered only to that person. As for character names, that's also a simple solution: whoever had it on PC keeps it by rule of dibs, and whoever is transferring has to change it. Or give everyone who transfers no characters and merely copy over the inventory/bank/collectibles that everyone actually cares about. I'd happily start fresh on a bunch of PC alts if I didn't have to regrind and rebuy all my shinies.

It's possible. We just have to wait until they feel it's profitable to do it before it gets done.

Malpheus_Prime

Cross account access would be a huge lift for a development team, they wont do it....

But a straight up transfer is doable... a master branch would need to be remerged with account details for this purpose, and probably a few other details. No it wasn't built to be transferable but details are equidistant and aliases within that db are easily joinable with the other db... your unique user id can be generated in this process, gamer-tag issues could be resolved at creation because of the aforementioned master db.

I'm sure that cross play is nearly impossible because they didn't plan it out that way and there is too much technical debt to align... but character data is portable af.

Love, Malph.

trackdemon5512

Hanokihs wrote: »

We can already link PC and Console accounts together, so that takes care of the "duplicate account names" issue. If you copy from console to PC, everything gets dumped under the PC name, which is already registered only to that person. As for character names, that's also a simple solution: whoever had it on PC keeps it by rule of dibs, and whoever is transferring has to change it. Or give everyone who transfers no characters and merely copy over the inventory/bank/collectibles that everyone actually cares about. I'd happily start fresh on a bunch of PC alts if I didn't have to regrind and rebuy all my shinies.

It's possible. We just have to wait until they feel it's profitable to do it before it gets done.

PC and Console Accounts aren’t linked together. Specifically console players are identified by their network game tags. “Hanokis” PS4 is distinct from “Hanokis” XBOX. Now imagine merging. Who gets to keep their ID? It’s not “tough, outta luck” for one player as that isn’t fair. The same applies to individual character names which I’m sure overlap between the consoles AND the regions.

Then also consider what is involved in the transfer. The PC to Console transfer happened when the game was much simpler. Consider the various mounts, skill lines either progressed or purchased, crown store items, housing and the placement of items within.

Housing is a huge issue. You can’t just dump all the items into a players inventory, there isn’t the space or functionality. Then you would get players angry about their homes which they put days or weeks of work into being ruined. And most players have many homes. They have free ones and the ones purchased. Several notables with inventories possibly maxed in all of them.

Transferring all of that data flawlessly without an error that could wipe an account on servers you in the forums constantly decry for not being able to handle just Cyrodiil PVP seems like you’re asking for trouble.

And what’s the reward? The vocal players here who ask get their wish for a ton of developer work and then QUIT the game because the next patch isn’t to their liking. Yeah it’s ridiculous to ask got account transfers now.

Hanokihs

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

PC and Console Accounts aren’t linked together. Specifically console players are identified by their network game tags. “Hanokis” PS4 is distinct from “Hanokis” XBOX. Now imagine merging. Who gets to keep their ID? It’s not “tough, outta luck” for one player as that isn’t fair. The same applies to individual character names which I’m sure overlap between the consoles AND the regions.

Sure they are. Check your account hub for the section called "Linked Accounts." Mine clearly shows my direct-purchase, PTS, Steam Account, Twitch, and Gamertag.

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Then also consider what is involved in the transfer. The PC to Console transfer happened when the game was much simpler. Consider the various mounts, skill lines either progressed or purchased, crown store items, housing and the placement of items within.

There's no reason beyond "follow the money" and "we can't be bothered" that they can't transfer mounts, crown purchases, unlocked dye stamps, and collected inventory/bank items (housing or otherwise).

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Housing is a huge issue. You can’t just dump all the items into a players inventory, there isn’t the space or functionality. Then you would get players angry about their homes which they put days or weeks of work into being ruined. And most players have many homes. They have free ones and the ones purchased. Several notables with inventories possibly maxed in all of them.

Then don't copy decorated houses, or set up the expectation that pre-decorated homes are included. Just unlock the stock house on the map for the account as purchased/owned and let everyone include that in their do-over along with character designs/skills. But the important thing is to give us the items, so hey, what better time than to give the separate inventory for it that everyone who cares about housing has been asking for since... forever?

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Transferring all of that data flawlessly without an error that could wipe an account on servers you in the forums constantly decry for not being able to handle just Cyrodiil PVP seems like you’re asking for trouble.

And what’s the reward? The vocal players here who ask get their wish for a ton of developer work and then QUIT the game because the next patch isn’t to their liking. Yeah it’s ridiculous to ask got account transfers now.

They can just have us pay for it. They get their money, we get to swap regardless of whether or not we stick with it.

cougarisbae

I def agree. I believe a lot of people will pay to make a transfer possible to another platform.

ThorianB

They should allow you to swap between servers for a price. They could even do it where you can add options:

• Basic($20): XP, currencies( including crowns and gems), and 1 character( no inventory or gear)
• All characters(Add $5): No gear or inventory
• One set of gear(Add $5 per character)
• Crafting trait knowledge( add $5 per character)
• Mount training( add $10): This applies to all characters you bring over at that time.
• Craft Bag Contents( add $20): This is high because it can greatly impact the economy.
• Motifs (add $10 per character): Carry over all motif progress
• Recipes( add $10 per character): Carry over all recipe progress.
• Furnishing Blueprints( Add $20 per character): Carry over all furnishing blueprints.
• Crown exclusive houses ( Add $10): Note all houses will be unfurnished even if you bought them furnished.
• All earned special event items such as CE and pre order items( add $5): Does not include any gold items or crown items
• All crown items( add $50): This includes every crown item attached to your account including mounts, pets, skins, furnishings, adornments, etc. It also includes all crown exclusive houses you own.
• All crown crate/gem/endeavor items( add $50): This includes all items you acquired from crown crates, with crown gems, or with the new seals of endeavor.

Note: Anything copied over to the new server would be deleted from your account on the old server.
Note #2: I didn't add achievements because those are attached to performing actions in the game. This may be intricately tied to game progress to the point where you can't copy achievements without actually completing the actions to get those achievements. Even so I think achievements would be extremely labor intensive if they had to do it manually.

I know in many games, transfers often have to be done manually so it can be quite labor intensive. But paid transfers would be a great QOL improvement and a revenue stream for ZOS.

redlink1979

You must have missed the other numerous threads about this...

"It is not possible for Customer Support, to transfer characters, gear, gold, crowns or items, between different accounts, servers, or platforms.
We have not built, and do not plan to build, the capability to move individual characters from platform to platform. We were only able to move characters in bulk for consoles once on June 1st, 2015 because the database tables we copied to were brand new (empty). Now that the database tables are filled with other data, the techniques we used before no longer work. (...)"
Can I transfer my ESO account and characters between different platforms or servers?

TequilaFire

I play on both PS4 and PC, started on PC Beta and transferred to PS4 on launch.
Honestly both platforms have major problems from time to time.
Prefer PS4 because I found it much easier to make friends, especially in my PvP guilds.
Yeah PC has a little better graphics, but don't buy a PC potato.

AlnilamE

Goregrinder wrote: »

cougarisbae wrote: »

Clearly the bugs and crashes and breaking the game after markath more and more has not worked. Let us just transfer our accounts to PC where this game is belonging.

They'd have to transfer assets from one database to another. Imagine a player from Xbox named DragonSlayer27, and the PCNA server also has a DragonSlayer27, and that's just individual character names. Players tend to have more than one character, so there could be way more redundant names per account. Both characters can't have the same name, so what do you do? Who gets to keep the name? And that doesn't account for any account names that are the same either.

What you're asking is the merging of two separate databases...it's not as simple as "Just click some stuff then reboot your machine man!". It's a nightmare...one that ZOS clearly does not want to live through.

I think a complete transfer from one platform to another (ie, account gets deleted on PS4 and created on PC) is possible, and issues of account/character names already existing can be resolved.

But creating such a system is probably a lot of work, and not a priority for them at the moment.

ThorianB

redlink1979 wrote: »

You must have missed the other numerous threads about this...

"It is not possible for Customer Support, to transfer characters, gear, gold, crowns or items, between different accounts, servers, or platforms.
We have not built, and do not plan to build, the capability to move individual characters from platform to platform. We were only able to move characters in bulk for consoles once on June 1st, 2015 because the database tables we copied to were brand new (empty). Now that the database tables are filled with other data, the techniques we used before no longer work. (...)"
Can I transfer my ESO account and characters between different platforms or servers?

Oh they could do it manually. Someone just has to replicate the character on the new servers. I know of quite a few games that could do this manually but it is labor intensive and thus they charge enough to make it worth their time to have someone manually do this.

Also never say never. ZOS has moonwalked many things they have said in the past.

Fennwitty

The real limiting factor would be the owning interests of each console: Sony and Microsoft (the group in charge of Xbox is not the same thing as Microsoft parent company). They'd need to cooperate in order to let their captive customers 'jump ship.'

Tandor

It's inconceivable that the console providers entered into a contract that allowed ZOS to poach their customers, or vice versa.

blktauna

Fennwitty wrote: »

The real limiting factor would be the owning interests of each console: Sony and Microsoft (the group in charge of Xbox is not the same thing as Microsoft parent company). They'd need to cooperate in order to let their captive customers 'jump ship.'

^^^^ This. Sony will def not allow it.
That's aside from the DB transfer horror that this would entail.

Tandor

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Presumably what you got in return was value for the time and money you spent, if not why did you continue to spend it? It's certainly the only reason I'm still playing the game after 7 years, it's not because I don't demand any quality for my money, yet presumably I meet your definition of fanboy for pointing out that what a few players ask for from time to time is likely to be contractually impossible (quite apart from being technically non-viable).

Vhozek

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

Not happening. Stop asking and just switch platforms, starting over from scratch if it bothers you so much.

Seriously this keeps coming up and the official answer every time is that it’s not worth the time and effort of the engineering staff for an exceedingly difficult thing to do without corrupting data.

Every game I know is capable of transferring accounts now and they have Microsoft on their side.

kargen27

"Sure they are. Check your account hub for the section called "Linked Accounts." Mine clearly shows my direct-purchase, PTS, Steam Account, Twitch, and Gamertag."

That shows what your one account is linked to. My account for example is linked to Twitch for when I was getting drops. It doesn't link two game accounts.

disintegr8

Any half decent programmer could copy a complete console account to PC. While the database structure remains the same on both, a conversion script can be created and then run any time it is needed.

They should be able to offer a complete account transfer straight across and if you don't want it all, you either delete the unwanted stuff before or after the transfer.

Like all software companies though, there's little desire to do something that doesn't derive income.

Folkb

I see no issue with this as a pc player.

Sylvermynx

disintegr8 wrote: »

Any half decent programmer could copy a complete console account to PC. While the database structure remains the same on both, a conversion script can be created and then run any time it is needed.

They should be able to offer a complete account transfer straight across and if you don't want it all, you either delete the unwanted stuff before or after the transfer.

Like all software companies though, there's little desire to do something that doesn't derive income.

Eh.... not so much. I've been managing databases for 25 years. If you don't write the query appropriately, you ARE going to trash the database....

This is not the original dev team. This team is dealing with a legacy database. A legacy database is an accident waiting to explode in your face - since the original devs are likely long gone by now.

So, you want the current dev team dealing with a database structure from a decade ago to mess with importing massive numbers of cells and tables of information for hundreds of accounts - without actually knowing the baseline parameters?

Doesn't sound like a real good idea to me.

Caveat: I transferred characters from server to server on WoW years back. The stuff that went missing.... it sucked. Blizzard had a supposedly good system in place - and I still lost several characters which could not be recovered. That was in 2013 - and was one reason (not really the main one) that I left and have never gone back.