Who thought this was a good idea?

Hexi

Why did you put one of the Pale Order ring pieces in to a public dungeon that has like 14 trash mobs, then make it drop from trash mobs? It's 8am here and there's already 10 people in there camping the trash spawns.

This is ridiculous.

Ryuvain

Took this one 3 days to get that drop, was horrible.

Hexi

Ryuvain wrote: »

Took this one 3 days to get that drop, was horrible.

This is what happens when develpers don't play their own game outside their testing environment.

FluffWit

Oof I was running world bosses with a mate earlier and seeing his Pale Order build made me realize I need that!

Oh well, I'm in New Zealand so I can just run it after dinner- by then its 4am esstern and the server has gone to bed.

shimm

Yes, this was a terrible decision. The first time it took hours to get and there was always at least six other people doing the same thing. Went there on a different character to get the skyshard and got it from the first enemy I killed.

Eccentric_Vampire

People have gotten angry at me and other players for killing everything in the public dungeon. There's just nowhere near enough mobs in the place to justify putting such a valuable lead there.

Hexi

Eccentric_Vampire wrote: »

People have gotten angry at me and other players for killing everything in the public dungeon. There's just nowhere near enough mobs in the place to justify putting such a valuable lead there.

Yup. there's like 20 enemies in the entire dungeon lol.

mocap

there are two another problems of Pale Order ring farm in Bad Man's dungeon:
1) this dungeon is also place to farm Wild Hunt ring (bosses);
2) this dungeon is starter for new DC players and located so close to city, so that is could be the first for the players. So there are a lot of players who don't farm anything but interfere with players who actually farm.

I also din't get Paler Order piece from Bad Man's Hollow.

oddbasket

Two tips that help:
1. Send group invites to others farming there.
2. Be gracious enough to accept if someone sends you an invite.

Gythral

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

MasterWarrior

Keep trying, you'll get it. Good luck!

kargen27

There is a line you can run through a tunnel that has very few players that bother going there. Start at one end and kill things as you go to the opposite end. Usually between four and six things to kill. GO back to where you started wait a moment they spawn and you do it again. About every 4th run you can pop a near-by boss just for fun. Popping the boss also helps to keep other players from bothering with the tunnel.

RageKing

yea i hated farming that piece. took me like 8 hours of farming, was horrible

Michaelkeir

I was lucky. Took only 2 hours of farming. Good thing was people were inviting each other to a group so we could share the mob drops. It was pretty chill.

AlnilamE

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

nukk3r

AlnilamE wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

That's because the game is actively being targeted at solo players.

redlink1979

Hexi wrote: »

(...) This is what happens when develpers don't play their own game outside their testing environment.

Not really. They're perfectly aware of how long it might take to get a certain lead. It's working as intented and to make the players have that feeling of achievement.... lol

Hexi

redlink1979 wrote: »

Hexi wrote: »

(...) This is what happens when develpers don't play their own game outside their testing environment.

Not really. They're perfectly aware of how long it might take to get a certain lead. It's working as intented and to make the players have that feeling of achievement.... lol

The drop chance is abysmally low, that's intended. What's not intended is 15 people running around a dungeon with 20 enemies.

AlnilamE

nukk3r wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

That's because the game is actively being targeted at solo players.

The Ring of the Pale Order is a solo item, so it checks out in this case.

Hexi wrote: »

redlink1979 wrote: »

Hexi wrote: »

(...) This is what happens when develpers don't play their own game outside their testing environment.

Not really. They're perfectly aware of how long it might take to get a certain lead. It's working as intented and to make the players have that feeling of achievement.... lol

The drop chance is abysmally low, that's intended. What's not intended is 15 people running around a dungeon with 20 enemies.

There are more than 20 enemies in that dungeon and they respawn quickly. But it's a beginner public dungeon.

Joining a group will help with farming for the lead, as you can loot what other players near you have killed.

Minyassa

I'm pretty darn solo but even I'm not going to run around competing with other players for trash mobs over a rare drop. I took the first invite I got in there (and he just happened to beat me to it, I was trying to invite him at the same time) and then it was just a matter of staying within looting range.

orion_1981usub17_ESO

Lead farming can be obstinately stupid, like fishing in arteum took three hours to get the lead. And I slaughtered 50 world bosses in auridon yesterday and no lead. Just back and fourth between two bosses for hours for nothing. Sometimes RNG simply hates you.

Hexi

orion_1981usub17_ESO wrote: »

Lead farming can be obstinately stupid, like fishing in arteum took three hours to get the lead. And I slaughtered 50 world bosses in auridon yesterday and no lead. Just back and fourth between two bosses for hours for nothing. Sometimes RNG simply hates you.

I'm not complaining about RNG, I'm complaining about not being able to actually GET to the RNG part due to other players simply because the Lead is a in a dungeon with barely any enemies.

Bradyfjord

It took me two weeks of casual (1-2 hrs of running it) effort every day. But it does drop. The silver lining is that you can memorize every spawn point and their timing. What you can do with that knowledge I don't know.

Kiralyn2000

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

AlnilamE wrote: »

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

nukk3r wrote: »

That's because the game is actively being targeted at solo players.

Maybe it's changed, but I remember running into similar issues with zone quests in WoW back in the day.

"Bring me 10 Resplendent Zebra hooves"

There's a dozen zebras.
But the hoof only drops 1/4 of the time.
And there's three other people doing that quest.
/sigh

So yeah, crap like that happens in any MMO, "solo" or not.


(heh, and then there was the fun of the beginning of a new expansion. Everyone rushes to the starter quests, the third one is "kill this Named Mob", and a huge line forms at the spot it spawns. Does anyone group up? Almost never. Instead, they blanket the area with AoE DoTs, hoping to be the one who gets the tag this time. And this is thinking back to the original Burning Crusade launch, so it's not a new phenomenon.)

redlink1979

Hexi wrote: »

(...) The drop chance is abysmally low, that's intended. What's not intended is 15 people running around a dungeon with 20 enemies.

Of course they're aware of that, it's their MM game (massive multiplayer).

That's why I just stopped caring for the leads, I can run the dungeon/delve one or two times in a row but I refuse to grind it for hours.

Elsonso

redlink1979 wrote: »

That's why I just stopped caring for the leads, I can run the dungeon/delve one or two times in a row but I refuse to grind it for hours.

That is the best way to approach the grind. Don't grind. Don't care about the drop until you get it.

Hexi

redlink1979 wrote: »

Hexi wrote: »

(...) The drop chance is abysmally low, that's intended. What's not intended is 15 people running around a dungeon with 20 enemies.

Of course they're aware of that, it's their MM game (massive multiplayer).

That's why I just stopped caring for the leads, I can run the dungeon/delve one or two times in a row but I refuse to grind it for hours.

Yes, it's not like I need the ring for my necro vampire or anything, why would I.

Hexi

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

AlnilamE wrote: »

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

nukk3r wrote: »

That's because the game is actively being targeted at solo players.

Maybe it's changed, but I remember running into similar issues with zone quests in WoW back in the day.

"Bring me 10 Resplendent Zebra hooves"

There's a dozen zebras.
But the hoof only drops 1/4 of the time.
And there's three other people doing that quest.
/sigh

So yeah, crap like that happens in any MMO, "solo" or not.


(heh, and then there was the fun of the beginning of a new expansion. Everyone rushes to the starter quests, the third one is "kill this Named Mob", and a huge line forms at the spot it spawns. Does anyone group up? Almost never. Instead, they blanket the area with AoE DoTs, hoping to be the one who gets the tag this time. And this is thinking back to the original Burning Crusade launch, so it's not a new phenomenon.)

That's because the servers were full and the content was new. How long has this thing been in the game now?

seldomseenkd

I learned a great deal about Elder Scrolls lore standing in the same spot for hours waiting for snakes to spawn.

Hexi

seldomseenkd wrote: »

I learned a great deal about Elder Scrolls lore standing in the same spot for hours waiting for snakes to spawn.

I already knew everything important years ago

I miss the old Elder Scrolls so much. Back when the games were made for adults instead of 10 yearolds.

Gythral

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Gythral wrote: »

Sums most of the game up (at times)
MMO but all the mob numbers are about single player gamer numbers or fewer - look at almost all the dailies - get x items, whole server trying to kill x-3 mobs for those drops etc...

AlnilamE wrote: »

Because people don't group. You could have a group up to 12 people doing the quest together and getting loot from stuff other group members have killed.

But nooooo, people would rather compete than collaborate.

nukk3r wrote: »

That's because the game is actively being targeted at solo players.

Maybe it's changed, but I remember running into similar issues with zone quests in WoW back in the day.

"Bring me 10 Resplendent Zebra hooves"

There's a dozen zebras.
But the hoof only drops 1/4 of the time.
And there's three other people doing that quest.
/sigh

So yeah, crap like that happens in any MMO, "solo" or not.


(heh, and then there was the fun of the beginning of a new expansion. Everyone rushes to the starter quests, the third one is "kill this Named Mob", and a huge line forms at the spot it spawns. Does anyone group up? Almost never. Instead, they blanket the area with AoE DoTs, hoping to be the one who gets the tag this time. And this is thinking back to the original Burning Crusade launch, so it's not a new phenomenon.)

Never said the the issue was 'new' nor that is is exclusive to ESO, as it is neither new ,nor ESO exclsive but failrly common anong MMOs, and far older than WOW, but it's still an oversight