Trial Dummy stats real?

DawnsLight65

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

trackdemon5512

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Viewsfrom6ix

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

Are you sure you're parsing on the 21m dummy and are you going from 100% HP to 0%? The dummies also test your sustain, your sustain might not be tested in normal dungeons since bosses die really quickly and you probably have buffs and debuffs provided by the tank/healer.

Hexi

I know I spam combat prayer and breach when I play my healer, those add significant DPS boosts.

DawnsLight65

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

Are you sure you're parsing on the 21m dummy and are you going from 100% HP to 0%? The dummies also test your sustain, your sustain might not be tested in normal dungeons since bosses die really quickly and you probably have buffs and debuffs provided by the tank/healer.

I have the trial atronach. And I can see that, except that I take down 100K bosses in less than a minute when I solo, which would not have the debuffing from others, hence my confusion. Did not test sustain.

DawnsLight65

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Problem is, having a hard time getting into some trials unless I present a dummy parse validating my DPS.

mobicera

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

Are you sure you're parsing on the 21m dummy and are you going from 100% HP to 0%? The dummies also test your sustain, your sustain might not be tested in normal dungeons since bosses die really quickly and you probably have buffs and debuffs provided by the tank/healer.

I have the trial atronach. And I can see that, except that I take down 100K bosses in less than a minute when I solo, which would not have the debuffing from others, hence my confusion. Did not test sustain.

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

Hexi

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Problem is, having a hard time getting into some trials unless I present a dummy parse validating my DPS.

Well then maybe your dps is just that bad. Dungeon bosses have way less defensive stats than Trial bosses.

jaws343

11K DPS means 11,000 damage per second.

Doing 65K damage in under a minute is doing a little more than 1,000 damage per second, unless by under a minute you mean closer to 2-3 seconds than 50 seconds to a minute.

The Trial dummy has millions of health, and provides buffs to you as well. So if it takes near a minute to clear 65k damage, then 11k could be right on the Trial dummy because of those buffs having greater impact on less optimized builds.

DawnsLight65

mobicera wrote: »

[quote="DawnsLight65;c-7250357"

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

I use skinny cheeks. I do the rotation. I have gold Kinras rage and Selene's Monster Set divines. I have bloodthirsty jewelry and gold weapons are precise. My mundus is the Shadow. I am CP720.

See why I am confused?

Viewsfrom6ix

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

[quote="DawnsLight65;c-7250357"

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

I use skinny cheeks. I do the rotation. I have gold Kinras rage and Selene's Monster Set divines. I have bloodthirsty jewelry and gold weapons are precise. My mundus is the Shadow. I am CP720.

See why I am confused?

Are you on PC? If so, try parsing again with the combat metrics add-on and show us a screenshot of the combat metrics damage and info page.

LashanW

Post a screenshot of your cmx parse, if you on PC. Clears confusion in no time.

tsaescishoeshiner

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Problem is, having a hard time getting into some trials unless I present a dummy parse validating my DPS.

As it should be, honestly. It can be very draining to spend a 2-hour trial session with people who can't perform their roles, and it's work-intensive to evaluate DPS in content individually. 95% of what I learned from working on my dummy parse was relevant to improving in real combat. Making sure that people understand their gear, rotation, and light attack weaving lets the trial runs focus on teaching the content, not trying to explain light attack weaving while Z'maja is staring at you.

Taking down a 100k boss in under a minute only takes like 2k DPS. Not sure why you're seeing such a big disparity, as I would expect someone who can do vet DLC speedruns and hardmodes to get at least 45k on a *full* trial dummy parse if they've never parsed before, if not more, unless they run out of resources. There's also some parse-specific food that helps with your recovery.

laksikus

Thats the reason why people should learn the game instead of following builds and expect to do op dps

ThoughtRaven

laksikus wrote: »

Thats the reason why people should learn the game instead of following builds and expect to do op dps

Yeah well the issue with that is that the game does an abysmal job of teaching you how to play it.

Hexi

laksikus wrote: »

Thats the reason why people should learn the game instead of following builds and expect to do op dps

The game teaches you nothing but how to play badly.

Dagoth_Rac

Hexi wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Problem is, having a hard time getting into some trials unless I present a dummy parse validating my DPS.

Well then maybe your dps is just that bad. Dungeon bosses have way less defensive stats than Trial bosses.

All PvE enemies in group content (4-player and 12-player) have 18200 armor/spell resistance. Unless you mean an organized 12-player group will have support skills/sets that shred enemy armor more than 4-player groups?

Hexi

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

Hexi wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

Problem is, having a hard time getting into some trials unless I present a dummy parse validating my DPS.

Well then maybe your dps is just that bad. Dungeon bosses have way less defensive stats than Trial bosses.

All PvE enemies in group content (4-player and 12-player) have 18200 armor/spell resistance. Unless you mean an organized 12-player group will have support skills/sets that shred enemy armor more than 4-player groups?

I thought Trial bosses had more resistances? My mistake then.

Suna_Ye_Sunnabe

I would highly recommend you practice on the 3 mil test dummy until you reach at least 40k on that (which is 70K+ on 21 mil). You're wasting your time on the 21 mil until then, imo, and you'll learn your class much better on the 3 mil first. And to answer your question about the numbers being "real"... no, not really. They're artificially inflated as the buffs and debuffs used to achieve those numbers are almost never entirely present, especially in four man content. It's more just to practice your rotation over long periods of time with more accuracy, and to practice execution rotations. For practical readings though, the 3 mil and 6 mil are more accurate overall. The precursor is for practicing burst combos.

Magdalina

mobicera wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

Are you sure you're parsing on the 21m dummy and are you going from 100% HP to 0%? The dummies also test your sustain, your sustain might not be tested in normal dungeons since bosses die really quickly and you probably have buffs and debuffs provided by the tank/healer.

I have the trial atronach. And I can see that, except that I take down 100K bosses in less than a minute when I solo, which would not have the debuffing from others, hence my confusion. Did not test sustain.

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

Well to be fair, a 100k 'boss' isn't really likely to drop in 1-3 seconds from just 1 person. Sure there're people out there doing 100k dps, but that's not while soloing actual bosses and that's not instant damage from second 1, it takes at least 2 seconds to lay down 2 DoTs to start with, and ulti may well not be up as fight starts. Now something about 5 seconds is definitely more than possible though, even if you don't get too much crit luck. But that's not really the point, still pretty far off of a minute

Since OP is indeed using a build, I'd say either post a combat metrics screenshot, a parse vid (a minute of it would likely suffice, don't need all), or, worst case, if OP is on console, have someone knowledgeable watch you parse and tell you what's wrong.

Edit: replaced 'AoE' with 'DoT' which is what I originally meant. I mean most of the time DoTs are also AoE these days but still XD

Susurrus

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Well to be fair, a 100k 'boss' isn't really likely to drop in 1-3 seconds from just 1 person. Sure there're people out there doing 100k dps, but that's not while soloing actual bosses and that's not instant damage from second 1, it takes at least 2 seconds to lay down 2 AoEs to start with, and ulti may well not be up as fight starts. Now something about 5 seconds is definitely more than possible though, even if you don't get too much crit luck. But that's not really the point, still pretty far off of a minute

Since OP is indeed using a build, I'd say either post a combat metrics screenshot, a parse vid (a minute of it would likely suffice, don't need all), or, worst case, if OP is on console, have someone knowledgeable watch you parse and tell you what's wrong.[/quote]

My crystal frag proc easily can crit for 35k. It is accompanied by a ~9k say light attack. All of which happens in a second. So 2-3 seconds to take down 100k is pretty easy when you account for dots. My best parse is 92k dps. So just over a second to do that.

If you can get CMX and show us a parse including the info screen as well, we will be able to tell you a lot more.

FriedEggSandwich

Susurrus wrote: »

Well to be fair, a 100k 'boss' isn't really likely to drop in 1-3 seconds from just 1 person. Sure there're people out there doing 100k dps, but that's not while soloing actual bosses and that's not instant damage from second 1, it takes at least 2 seconds to lay down 2 AoEs to start with, and ulti may well not be up as fight starts. Now something about 5 seconds is definitely more than possible though, even if you don't get too much crit luck. But that's not really the point, still pretty far off of a minute

Since OP is indeed using a build, I'd say either post a combat metrics screenshot, a parse vid (a minute of it would likely suffice, don't need all), or, worst case, if OP is on console, have someone knowledgeable watch you parse and tell you what's wrong.

My crystal frag proc easily can crit for 35k. It is accompanied by a ~9k say light attack. All of which happens in a second. So 2-3 seconds to take down 100k is pretty easy when you account for dots. My best parse is 92k dps. So just over a second to do that.

If you can get CMX and show us a parse including the info screen as well, we will be able to tell you a lot more.

Yeah if a 100k boss walked in front of your reticule mid parse, but the point of the post you replied to was that it takes 2 seconds to lay down 2 dots, and then another to drop your ulti. That's 3s used just setting up, you don't start a fight doing 92k dps. I feel like a dirty pedant now, but their point was valid.

edit to fix quote

carlos424

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

[quote="DawnsLight65;c-7250357"

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

I use skinny cheeks. I do the rotation. I have gold Kinras rage and Selene's Monster Set divines. I have bloodthirsty jewelry and gold weapons are precise. My mundus is the Shadow. I am CP720.

See why I am confused?

Your CP is a bit low so you might work on leveling up a bit, but more importantly, Kinra’s requires light attack weaving. If you’re not that good at weaving light attacks between each skill you might do better with another set.

Septimus_Magna

Reasons for low dps are usually down to a couple factors:

• overcasting or undercasting DOTs and buffs
• not light attack weaving
• missing important buffs like major brutality or major savagery

In terms of gear you wear Kinras and Selene, what is the other 5 piece set you're using?

I would install Action Duration Reminder if you're on PC to track your DOTs and buffs better.
And do a couple parses on the 3m dummy with Combat Metrics installed and post it here.

Keep in mind the 21m dummy is fully debuffed and doesnt have any resist, the 3m dummy has no debuffs and 18.2k resist so your dps will be a lot lower as a result.

With a little practice 30k on the 3m dummy is pretty easy to obtain but you first need to find out what you're doing wrong.

furiouslog

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

You're using a dummy which are almost always inaccurate and IMO pointless.

If you're on console and easily clearing content you're doing great. You'll get better feedback and insights from the people you play with than from humping a console combat dummy for hours on end.

So you're saying that the 4800 crowns that ZOS charges for it is not worth it?

Malkiv

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

People don't really track the damage per minute - it's the damage per second. Doing 65K damage per second in content is very good, but doing 65k damage per minute is extremely low; 65k damage per minute is roughly 1,083 damage per second.

If you're looking for an accurate dummy parse, you're going to need to run the entire 21m damage on the Trial Atronach. It doesn't give you an accurate measure if you parse only for a couple-hundred-thousand or a million dummy HP. This is something I see new player routinely do since they feel like it would take too long, or that they only want a short spike in damage to use for bias confirmation.

remosito

dps is damage per second. not per minute.

So if a guild asks for say 50k dps. They want you to do 50k damage per second. not minute....

that 100k bosd should drop in seconds. not in anything even remotely approaching a minute...

(high dps requires a spin up time of laying down buffs, debuffs, dots,... so even somebody parsing 100k wont drop a 100k boss in one second)

DawnsLight65

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

[quote="DawnsLight65;c-7250357"

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

I use skinny cheeks. I do the rotation. I have gold Kinras rage and Selene's Monster Set divines. I have bloodthirsty jewelry and gold weapons are precise. My mundus is the Shadow. I am CP720.

See why I am confused?

Are you on PC? If so, try parsing again with the combat metrics add-on and show us a screenshot of the combat metrics damage and info page.

ps4. sorry.

DawnsLight65

carlos424 wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

[quote="DawnsLight65;c-7250357"

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

I use skinny cheeks. I do the rotation. I have gold Kinras rage and Selene's Monster Set divines. I have bloodthirsty jewelry and gold weapons are precise. My mundus is the Shadow. I am CP720.

See why I am confused?

Your CP is a bit low so you might work on leveling up a bit, but more importantly, Kinra’s requires light attack weaving. If you’re not that good at weaving light attacks between each skill you might do better with another set.

My 'Orange Circle of Rage' that comes with the Kinra is on nearly all the time. So, at least I seem to do the light/heavy weaving right.

DawnsLight65

mobicera wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

Viewsfrom6ix wrote: »

DawnsLight65 wrote: »

I KNOW I can do at least 65K in a minute in a dungeon with my buds, on my nightblade, but the trial dummy keeps saying I am only doing 11k damage in a minute. That is ridiculous. Each hit every second is at least 8K, and that doesnt include my ultimates. I routinely take down 100K bosses in less than a minute while soloing.

What am I doing wrong with the dummy?

Are you sure you're parsing on the 21m dummy and are you going from 100% HP to 0%? The dummies also test your sustain, your sustain might not be tested in normal dungeons since bosses die really quickly and you probably have buffs and debuffs provided by the tank/healer.

I have the trial atronach. And I can see that, except that I take down 100K bosses in less than a minute when I solo, which would not have the debuffing from others, hence my confusion. Did not test sustain.

A 100k "boss" should drop in 1-3 seconds depending on crit...
At 11k I'm sorry to say you probably aren't doing anything right.
I would advise you to look towards skinny cheeks.
They will have posted rotations, cp and gear set ups for each class.
Try to watch and understand what they do and why this should be an easy way to determine what you are doing wrong.

None are really updated for the new Flames of Ambition/CP setup for dual wield/bow. I am now working with several people to find out what I am doing wrong cause its obvious I am doing something very wrong. Adding to my confusion is I was doing 19K DPS on dummy (not trial) prior to CP shakeup at a much lower CP.

preevious

Have you, per chance, forgotten to set your slottable stars?