Game+

Xargas13

Most of you already guessed what it is, but for those who do not understand... I'm asking to add an option to reset all quests and go back in time so to speak, every quest is reset, you still have all your skills etc. The only thing that you won't have is acquired skill lines, like mages guild, undaunted and stuff like that, however, when you join the guild it sets to your previous advancement in that skill line before you went back.

It's just I'm close to ending all quests in the game and I don't want it to end, and I don't mind going through all that again, the only thing I mind is learning all skills again, crafting etc. I don't mind if it will be some quest line like the one you get from Cadwell, or if it will be an option for the crown store. Thoughts?

phaneub17_ESO

Alts.

BlueRaven

Tbh I thought Game+ was going to be something completely different. (Meaning I thought you were going to suggest a more advanced version of ESO+.) Anyway...

Wouldn’t just starting a new character fulfill all of these needs? You don’t lose your skills etc on your main, but on the new character you can experience all the quests a 2nd time.

I have Caldwell’s gold on four characters. Although tbh I have not kept up with crafting on characters that are not my main.

Am I missing something here?

Malthorne

Yes.

As a player who completed all the base game quests back in 2014 I think It’s a great idea. It really worked out well in FFXIV, so we know it can be successfully implemented into an online RPG.

Plus, it’s kinda already been done in Craglorn. After One Tamriel, I believe.

Xargas13

Yes.

BlueRaven wrote: »

Tbh I thought Game+ was going to be something completely different. (Meaning I thought you were going to suggest a more advanced version of ESO+.) Anyway...

Wouldn’t just starting a new character fulfill all of these needs? You don’t lose your skills etc on your main, but on the new character you can experience all the quests a 2nd time.

I have Caldwell’s gold on four characters. Although tbh I have not kept up with crafting on characters that are not my main.

Am I missing something here?

I'm not fond of alts, I just prefer to do everything on one character. And as I mentioned before I don't really want to level everything again, I just want to go through the story, but with the power my character has now. That's how game+ usually works, like in game Witcher 3 for example. But yes, I will probably will have to resort to alts if by the time I'm done option like that won't be introduced, I'm not holding my breath, just decided to put it out there.

validifyedneb18_ESO

Undecided.

A super-vet hm version of the game would be interesting similar to the original cadwells gold. Other than that I see no reason to do this when there is so much content to do in the game and so many classes to roll.

Solid_Metal

No.

Xargas13 wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Tbh I thought Game+ was going to be something completely different. (Meaning I thought you were going to suggest a more advanced version of ESO+.) Anyway...

Wouldn’t just starting a new character fulfill all of these needs? You don’t lose your skills etc on your main, but on the new character you can experience all the quests a 2nd time.

I have Caldwell’s gold on four characters. Although tbh I have not kept up with crafting on characters that are not my main.

Am I missing something here?

I'm not fond of alts, I just prefer to do everything on one character. And as I mentioned before I don't really want to level everything again, I just want to go through the story, but with the power my character has now. That's how game+ usually works, like in game Witcher 3 for example. But yes, I will probably will have to resort to alts if by the time I'm done option like that won't be introduced, I'm not holding my breath, just decided to put it out there.

not sure if we have the same idea about game+, sure game+ in other game let you keep exp, items etc, but didn't game+ also boost enemy att/health as well?, i might be mistaken tho, because the only game i ever play that have game+ is Dark Souls, never keen of Witcher series

Xargas13

Yes.

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Xargas13 wrote: »

BlueRaven wrote: »

Tbh I thought Game+ was going to be something completely different. (Meaning I thought you were going to suggest a more advanced version of ESO+.) Anyway...

Wouldn’t just starting a new character fulfill all of these needs? You don’t lose your skills etc on your main, but on the new character you can experience all the quests a 2nd time.

I have Caldwell’s gold on four characters. Although tbh I have not kept up with crafting on characters that are not my main.

Am I missing something here?

I'm not fond of alts, I just prefer to do everything on one character. And as I mentioned before I don't really want to level everything again, I just want to go through the story, but with the power my character has now. That's how game+ usually works, like in game Witcher 3 for example. But yes, I will probably will have to resort to alts if by the time I'm done option like that won't be introduced, I'm not holding my breath, just decided to put it out there.

not sure if we have the same idea about game+, sure game+ in other game let you keep exp, items etc, but didn't game+ also boost enemy att/health as well?, i might be mistaken tho, because the only game i ever play that have game+ is Dark Souls, never keen of Witcher series

The higher difficulty comes as an option in game+ mechanic, but it's not necessary, usually you are presented with a choice at which difficulty you want to play again, the main theme of the mechanic is going through the game again with the same level, gear etc. I'm not asking for higher difficulty with that, because I saw lots and lots of posts wanting a hard mode overland, and while I don't mind it, I don't see them implementing it. The mechanic I'm proposing is easier to implement by far.

BisDasBlutGefriert

Yes.

I would like it so I can actually do the quests in order on my main stamdk this time around.

Danikat

I thought game+ would mean harder difficulty too, but maybe that's more common in JRPGs?

But just playing through everything again with all your skills fully trained up, your existing equipment etc. but nothing different to the first time around doesn't sound very interesting to me. I'd rather make a new character and not only get the full experience by levelling up and getting new equipment as you go along but also try some different skills and builds.

Kiralyn2000

No.

Danikat wrote: »

I thought game+ would mean harder difficulty too, but maybe that's more common in JRPGs?

It's usually called "New Game+", and yeah - it's mostly in single-player JRPGs and Action/RPG games, so that you can try the game with all the Cool Abilities You Only Unlocked At The End/etc. Frequently with additional difficulty & new cosmetics/titles/unlocks that can only be gotten in that mode.

I just can't picture it in an MMO.

Ackwalan

Since completing main/zone quests give more XP when over level 50 then when under level 50, that would be a better way to grind XP then the traditional way.

Athan1

No.

You mean I'd have to redo everything? No, thanks, I worked really hard to get here. If I want to redo all quests I'll make an alt.

Re "Game+" I thought it was going to be an ESO+ rant

bmnoble

No.

No you have other characters to do that with.

Its not just the achievements or skill points you get from doing quests you get a lot of the map pacified as in large area's free of hostile enemies due to the quest choices you make you can get a lot of area's mobs to change to neutral making surveys or general travel in those area's a lot easier.

That and it would screw up characters recognizing you when new story content arrives. Who knows how many bugs something like that could add to the game.

I finished all the quests on my main and finally moved on to skill pointing my alts its gonna take a long time but I have no shortage of quests that I can do right now not in some theoretical future, its giving me a chance to try out the other classes a lot more than before where I would just stick with my main for everything.

Starlock

Yes.

It's too late for this over-monetized game to have a proper NewGame+ mode. Zo$ decided to go with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in one-time macrotransactions to get the same experience instead. It's one of many features that would have been nice, but will never happen. Play other games that aren't over-monetized if you want this ind of respect.

SeaGtGruff

Undecided.

I'm going with Undecided, although what I really wanted to choose was Partially. What I mean is, I've often wished that I could reset a completed quest and do it over again. I know I can abandon it before completing it, and restart it. I know I can do it on a different character. But sometimes I feel like I chose the wrong outcome by mistake, and I'd like to take it back and choose a different outcome. Still, I'm happy with the way things are now...

Except, I'd love to see a more detailed journal listing of the quests I've done, like a checklist for each zone. There's already the zone guide, which shows the main quests for each zone. But it doesn't list all of the minor side quests.

Kiralyn2000

No.

Starlock wrote: »

It's too late for this over-monetized game to have a proper NewGame+ mode. Zo$ decided to go with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in one-time macrotransactions to get the same experience instead. It's one of many features that would have been nice, but will never happen. Play other games that aren't over-monetized if you want this ind of respect.

What does "over monetized" have to do with New Game+?

Personally, I think that "MMO" is the big argument about it. I can't think of another MMO that does this, no matter what "monetization" they have.


(seriously, why would you ever expect New Game+ from an MMO, "proper" or not? That feature is for single-player games that end. )

BretonMage

Yes.

For any game, I usually have ONE character that experiences that world. I don't like having alts or different characters. So yes, I'd love the opportunity to reset the quests, or to replay them in some way.

A recent thread on the forum proposed a veteran version of overland questlines and I love that idea too. That would also solve the issue of many of us being over-powered for overland content the second time around.

Orion_89

Yes.

Yes, especially with the companions near to release. Except, maybe, resetting skill lines (just remember Psijic Order quests...).

TwinLamps

Yes.

Why not?

Lugaldu

No.

I see absolutely no point and no advantage in it.

I didn't play things in the right order with my main, but now I'm doing that with my alt. That also means that my main has already experienced everything, why should he experience it a second time?

wheresbes

Undecided.

I'd like to redo the EP questline, I loved it! Though not at a higher difficulty, for me overland is the relaxing part of the game.
I think that optional replayability of quests wouldn't hurt anyone..?

wheresbes

Undecided.

Lugaldu wrote: »

I see absolutely no point and no advantage in it.

I didn't play things in the right order with my main, but now I'm doing that with my alt. That also means that my main has already experienced everything, why should he experience it a second time?

For me, it's because I'm not used to MMOs but single-player games, especially ES games where your character is literally everything. I have alts just because I wanted to try first hand some stuff, but I do all with my main. I was playing tank here, now magicka dd, and I've respecc'd, never even thought about using another char.

I'd do quests a second time because memory fades.

Malthorne

Yes.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

It's too late for this over-monetized game to have a proper NewGame+ mode. Zo$ decided to go with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in one-time macrotransactions to get the same experience instead. It's one of many features that would have been nice, but will never happen. Play other games that aren't over-monetized if you want this ind of respect.

Personally, I think that "MMO" is the big argument about it. I can't think of another MMO that does this, no matter what "monetization" they have.


(seriously, why would you ever expect New Game+ from an MMO, "proper" or not? That feature is for single-player games that end. )

Final Fantasy 14 says hello. New game+ isn’t just for single player games anymore.

DreamyLu

No.

Create a new char for restart?

Starlock

Yes.

Malthorne wrote: »

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

It's too late for this over-monetized game to have a proper NewGame+ mode. Zo$ decided to go with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in one-time macrotransactions to get the same experience instead. It's one of many features that would have been nice, but will never happen. Play other games that aren't over-monetized if you want this ind of respect.

Personally, I think that "MMO" is the big argument about it. I can't think of another MMO that does this, no matter what "monetization" they have.


(seriously, why would you ever expect New Game+ from an MMO, "proper" or not? That feature is for single-player games that end. )

Final Fantasy 14 says hello. New game+ isn’t just for single player games anymore.

Never mind that the features of it would tremendously benefit the genre more than any other genre of gaming. Say goodbye to pointless, repetitive chores and hello to just being able to have a fresh experience without spending hundreds or thousands of hours to get there again. Sometimes, the journey is its own rewards. But MMOs are notorious for addiction-inducing game design which creates grind - basically mechanisms with RNG to keep players playing long after the game stopped being fun. NewGame+ would put a serious dent in that nonsense. Which is probably why most of them won't do it, sadly.

Xebov

While resetting quests might work, temporary locking skillines is a bad idea. The current system would cause all skillpoints to be refunded and it would have downsides on all other activities which is not acceptable.

What also has to be kept in mind is that certain activities in the game are directly linked to quests done, so there is something to consider there as well.

RageKing

No.

This is what alts are for as well as crown items to quick learn skill lines and other utilities like shyshards.

It would take alot of money from them if they allowed you to just reset quests and keep all your skills. because right now if you want to do that you basically create a new character, spend alot of crowns on leveling any skill trees you want right away as well as mount upgrades. Then you replay the game on a this new low level alt with unlocked skill tree.

Zos wanted the game to be played this way and would lose too much money if they simply added a way to reset your characters quests.

There is so much more that needs to be done just fixing the game than to implement a new feature that is equivalent of creating a new alt but will make Zos lose a significant amount of money and be no doubt filled with bugs, so yea this a clear no vote for me.

Celephantsylvius_Bornasfinmo

Malthorne wrote: »

As a player who completed all the base game quests back in 2014 I think It’s a great idea. It really worked out well in FFXIV, so we know it can be successfully implemented into an online RPG.

Plus, it’s kinda already been done in Craglorn. After One Tamriel, I believe.

I wasn't a big fan of that personally...and I never went back to 're-complete' it.

ArcVelarian

Yes.

Xargas13 wrote: »

Most of you already guessed what it is, but for those who do not understand... I'm asking to add an option to reset all quests and go back in time so to speak, every quest is reset, you still have all your skills etc. The only thing that you won't have is acquired skill lines, like mages guild, undaunted and stuff like that, however, when you join the guild it sets to your previous advancement in that skill line before you went back.

It's just I'm close to ending all quests in the game and I don't want it to end, and I don't mind going through all that again, the only thing I mind is learning all skills again, crafting etc. I don't mind if it will be some quest line like the one you get from Cadwell, or if it will be an option for the crown store. Thoughts?

I would support this idea if it made Overland content, Delves, and Public Dungeons more difficult in return for more XP and better rewards.