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Queue for normal and vet trials
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I doubt it will work. Different trials take different team dynamics. Some need two tanks some need only one. Also can vary by group experience.
Would be nice if we could get something though. Maybe a chat channel that can be seen in all zones. Would need to be some kind of drop down chat so crown sellers and guild ads don't overrun it though. Maybe the person starting the trial selects the trial and difficulty from a dropdown menu then selects how many of each role he/she wants. Everyone that has that chat channel viewable sees the request and it is first come first serve until roles are filled.
Fake roles could be a severe problem though. While you can fake it some in dungeons not so much in trials.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
xv1_me✭✭✭I doubt it will work. Different trials take different team dynamics. Some need two tanks some need only one. Also can vary by group experience.
Would be nice if we could get something though. Maybe a chat channel that can be seen in all zones. Would need to be some kind of drop down chat so crown sellers and guild ads don't overrun it though. Maybe the person starting the trial selects the trial and difficulty from a dropdown menu then selects how many of each role he/she wants. Everyone that has that chat channel viewable sees the request and it is first come first serve until roles are filled.
Fake roles could be a severe problem though. While you can fake it some in dungeons not so much in trials.
Well it would be the same risk u take when u pug vet content. I just thought of this after being out of the loop for a while.1 -
josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭I doubt it will work. Different trials take different team dynamics. Some need two tanks some need only one. Also can vary by group experience.
Would be nice if we could get something though. Maybe a chat channel that can be seen in all zones. Would need to be some kind of drop down chat so crown sellers and guild ads don't overrun it though. Maybe the person starting the trial selects the trial and difficulty from a dropdown menu then selects how many of each role he/she wants. Everyone that has that chat channel viewable sees the request and it is first come first serve until roles are filled.
Fake roles could be a severe problem though. While you can fake it some in dungeons not so much in trials.
This is the same old excuse people always give. The fact is all trials are designed for 2 tanks, 2 healers, and the rest DPS. Of course you don't actually NEED that to complete them, but that is how they are designed. Having the option to use a trial finder hurts no one. No one is being forced to use it. To me it would just be a practice tool more than anything, and it would open trials up to a lot of people. Its expected that if you did choose to use it that you often would not complete a given trial or that people would consistently be coming and going...but that is fine. The important thing about a trial finder is that it would give the general playerbase a lot more experience in trials.
The only argument I have seen against it that has even a bit of merit is that the completion rate would be so low that it would cause nerfs....but I honestly don't think it would be much different than Craglorn pugs as is. I have seen fake tanks in Craglorn pugs as well...heh, was invited to "off-tank" nHRC(as if thats even needed there) and the main "tank" was a 20k health guy running around with a 2 hander who couldn't hold a single boss still because when he was actually alive he was roll dodging everywhere...eventually I got tired of it and just stole taunt from him.8 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'm not opposed to it, but I wouldn't use it.
The though of a vet trial with randoms... no thanks.1 -
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RedMuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, we have quite enough threads about fake roles now, I have no desire to see that problem increase exponentially as it would if thia was implemented.0 -
lolo_01b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Back in the days when the game still had a raid finder it wasn't that bad in my experience. When you queued as raid lead, you could select how many tanks / healers / dds you needed and you would keep full control of the group.
And while completion wasn't guaranteed, I still have positive memories about the raid finder and I met some of the people I still play with today in a random AA run.
The only difference that might cause a problem is that back then overland content not easy. Unlike today, questing in cadwells gold or craglorn tought you how to block, dodge, bash and move out of enemy aoes so most random players knew about the basics of the game.2 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, we have quite enough threads about fake roles now, I have no desire to see that problem increase exponentially as it would if thia was implemented.
Question is why do you see so much fake roles in dungeon finder. Is it because you can stomp through most dungeons with 4 dds? Not so much in trials.
Besides. Just because YOU wouldn't use it, why oppose a QoL tool for the rest of the community?3 -
MirandaSharp✭✭✭✭Yes, would really like to have that. Now we have to cry like beggars in Craglorn and hope some poor soul has pity on us and let us join...3
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xv1_me✭✭✭Fake tanks are a thing because queue is instant. I slot a taunt and fly thru normals easy. It would be the choice of the player to queue for vet. A lot of normal trials u don’t need a healer or tank. I just think it would be nice to queue for a trial if you need gear instead of worrying about people kicking you from nHRC for not having 3600 cp.1
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can we get this please?
NO.
A fake tank in a dungeon upsets 3 people, gets kicked, can usually be replaced fairly quickly, and the dungeon can be completed. A fake tank in a trial infuriates 11 people, ruins the raid, is much more difficult to replace without having 4-6 group members quit, which pretty much wrecks any chance at completing the trial0 -
xv1_me✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Can we get this please?
NO.
A fake tank in a dungeon upsets 3 people, gets kicked, can usually be replaced fairly quickly, and the dungeon can be completed. A fake tank in a trial infuriates 11 people, ruins the raid, is much more difficult to replace without having 4-6 group members quit, which pretty much wrecks any chance at completing the trial
Like in eso, nothing is perfect.
Imagine needing a tank in a normal dungeon?0 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Can we get this please?
NO.
A fake tank in a dungeon upsets 3 people, gets kicked, can usually be replaced fairly quickly, and the dungeon can be completed. A fake tank in a trial infuriates 11 people, ruins the raid, is much more difficult to replace without having 4-6 group members quit, which pretty much wrecks any chance at completing the trial
Like in eso, nothing is perfect.
Imagine needing a tank in a normal dungeon?
This is why we dont have nice things.
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Thechuckage✭✭✭✭✭A more robust LFG tool for raids could be useful. Nothing randomized, but give the organizer a bit of wiggle room when filling it out. 2 tanks aren't needed for AS for example.
Global chat channel would be a horrible idea. But some kind of global trial signup board could work.
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El_Borracho✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »Can we get this please?
NO.
A fake tank in a dungeon upsets 3 people, gets kicked, can usually be replaced fairly quickly, and the dungeon can be completed. A fake tank in a trial infuriates 11 people, ruins the raid, is much more difficult to replace without having 4-6 group members quit, which pretty much wrecks any chance at completing the trial
Like in eso, nothing is perfect.
Imagine needing a tank in a normal dungeon?
LOL. Obviously wasn't talking about normal dungeons. But anyone who thinks trial finder is a good idea hasn't run a vHRC pug run with a tank that can't handle the first boss. And that is typically an actual, yet ineffective tank on an easy boss.0 -
RedMuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »No, we have quite enough threads about fake roles now, I have no desire to see that problem increase exponentially as it would if thia was implemented.
Question is why do you see so much fake roles in dungeon finder. Is it because you can stomp through most dungeons with 4 dds? Not so much in trials.
Besides. Just because YOU wouldn't use it, why oppose a QoL tool for the rest of the community?
Because DDs find the queue time far too long, so they'd rather jump in front as a fake and then not do their part. Happens in vet too, very often. And unlike in dungeons, event vet ones, trials have mechanics you need to respect and a significant need for real time communication, which almost necessitates a voice chat option which PC doesn't have. So you'd need to put in built voice chat on PC first.
And as I said I'm opposed to it because I don't want to hear people whine even more about fake roles and it would be an even bigger issue in trials because significantly fewer healers and tank would touch them than (vet) dungeons, so DD queues would not be shorter. So people would still cheat and likely cheat even more than now because this specific segment of the player base gives not a single *** about anyone but themselves.3 -
xv1_me✭✭✭El_Borracho wrote: »El_Borracho wrote: »Can we get this please?
NO.
A fake tank in a dungeon upsets 3 people, gets kicked, can usually be replaced fairly quickly, and the dungeon can be completed. A fake tank in a trial infuriates 11 people, ruins the raid, is much more difficult to replace without having 4-6 group members quit, which pretty much wrecks any chance at completing the trial
Like in eso, nothing is perfect.
Imagine needing a tank in a normal dungeon?
LOL. Obviously wasn't talking about normal dungeons. But anyone who thinks trial finder is a good idea hasn't run a vHRC pug run with a tank that can't handle the first boss. And that is typically an actual, yet ineffective tank on an easy boss.
Well like I said nothing is perfect. The option the queue would be nice tho. Maybe more fake tanks won’t show up to trials since ppl like tanking those rather than normals that don’t require one.0 -
Dhoraji99Soul ShrivenPersonally I think the Trials are only for some privileged group of people. It's all about who you know and what guild you belong to. For example I am CP 960 and playing as a dps for over 2 years, but yet have not been able to join a trial. So it would be beneficial for the rest of the players if Trial Finder option was added.3
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Dhoraji99Soul ShrivenSo in other words only 10% of people are good enough to join the Trials and the other 90% are worthless. So you mean to say that the other 90% should not even bother to play Eso?
I rather hear that answer officially from ESO. I don't think eso would like to lose 90% of their business just to accommodate privileged 10%
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Hexi✭✭✭✭✭So in other words only 10% of people are good enough to join the Trials and the other 90% are worthless. So you mean to say that the other 90% should not even bother to play Eso?
I rather hear that answer officially from ESO. I don't think eso would like to lose 90% of their business just to accommodate privileged 10%
If the 90% would take the time to learn how to play they wouldn't have problems finding Trial groups without a finder. We already have an example of what will happen.
They introduce it, people cry endlessly that it's too hard and they nerf it to the ground. People still cry that it's too hard and they just remove any mechanics that kill you. People STILL cry that it's too hard and they nerf it to the point that you can clear it afk.
Dude, just go watch a video instead. You'll get the same experience. The truth you all want to hide is this.
You don't want to do Trials, you don't care about doing Trials. If you did, you would do them. You just want the rewards without the effort.Edited by Hexi on May 11, 2021 2:15AM0 -
DirkRavenclaw✭✭✭✭Im personally opposed to it. I dont even use the Groupfinder Tool for Dungeons, not even normal ones. There is a multitude of nice and friendly Guilds out there. If you wanna run Trials find a Guild that fits with likeminded Man and Mer and you rock from the easiest to the hardest Trial the content in no Time at all. Trials are all about Communication, without proper Voicechat, even if most DDs for example just need to listen and dont need a Mic, Tanks certainly do for example. Or ZOS would implement a Finder like in WOW where the Searcher gets your Lvl, iLvl,Stats ect and only accepts the ones that have the best numbers. I find that is one of the main reasons why WOW is so toxic and the situation in ESO is with the fake Tank/Healer in Dungeon Finder already bad enought, well so bad that i for example run only Dungeons/Trials if a Guildgroup does them.Council Member of AtWritsEnd, Member of LoneWolfeHelp, Donor of GhostSeaTradingCO., Factor of EastEmpireTradingCO.,HonourGuard of ´DominionImperialGuard(DIG/PVP)
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josiahva✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why do people oppose this? I truly do not understand. Its not like they would be forced to use. Use it it if you want...if you don't, you can still pug craglorn chat, or make a pre-made....it hurts NO ONE to have the option. I for one am all for it, regardless of whether or not I ever used the thing, there is no reason to keep other people from using it if they want.0 -
Dhoraji99Soul Shriven
Very emotional. This is just a game and we all pay to play it. So don't be so critical of others who are not as good as you are.So in other words only 10% of people are good enough to join the Trials and the other 90% are worthless. So you mean to say that the other 90% should not even bother to play Eso?
I rather hear that answer officially from ESO. I don't think eso would like to lose 90% of their business just to accommodate privileged 10%
If the 90% would take the time to learn how to play they wouldn't have problems finding Trial groups without a finder. We already have an example of what will happen.
They introduce it, people cry endlessly that it's too hard and they nerf it to the ground. People still cry that it's too hard and they just remove any mechanics that kill you. People STILL cry that it's too hard and they nerf it to the point that you can clear it afk.
Dude, just go watch a video instead. You'll get the same experience. The truth you all want to hide is this.
You don't want to do Trials, you don't care about doing Trials. If you did, you would do them. You just want the rewards without the effort.
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