Does Zenimax support streamers?

Ganj

Hello everyone. There were another topic about similar question but it was against COC/TOS i believe (naming and shaming) But this one should be okay if im not mistaken here.

Do you think Zenimax support/protect ESO streamers even though they act against COD/TOS?

colossalvoids

Depends on an actual case. Thing is that some people can get offence where there was none but there were cases when they took action if it was necessary.

Daspirria

Well, streamers are kind of an opportunity for free and costless marketing. From my previous experience, I can say; Yes they protect.

markulrich1966

as the thread gives no details why this should be the case, I just can refer to the thread that was mentioned.

In the thread it became obvious to me, that the streamer was a victim of griefing. His responses were not appropriate, and he should have acted more professional (blocking).

However if he would not have been repeatingly harrassed, the situation would not have escalated.
So I can understand if he just got a warning, not an immediate ban.

Jaraal

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

Lephrel

I have no idea what incident you are referring to, but in general I'm pretty sure they enforce the TOS, no matter who you are. A number of relatively well-know streamers and youtubers actually got perma-banned in, e.g. Kodi and Nesquick.
That being said, there are some instances, where streamers definitely got preferential treatment. I remember them instantly lifting the ban on Sypher, after he contacted support.

I guess my point is, they surely aren't always fair, I don't think that would even be possible. But in general, I feel like streamers are treated like all the other players.

Ganj

Jaraal wrote: »

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

But if the case quite the opposite which means if you are getting bully by a streamer constantly? I meant do streamers have wider lines when it comes to COC? But you already made your point there

Khazad_dum

To be honest,i had some bad experiences with a streamer who's not even in the 'ESO Stream Team'. The person was talking racist, full of hate for a nation which you can feel by just reading his in-game text messages. Also teabagging,harassing and insulting them in his language. So, i took screenshots and video clips of him where he were racist and sent a ticket about it. It was so sad my ticket is permenantly closed after a few bot answers. I also report him to Twitch and their REAL customer service contacted me today for next steps of the progress. So based on this story,i believe they protect their streamers and they give them an area where they can insult players,they can be racist,they can T-bag and harass players.

WiseSky

I was trying to kill Fengrush with my Argonian Survey Mule Crafter, with only 2 skills points in Cyrodill with full cowards gear. I think he was protected by good skills.

Daspirria

WiseSky wrote: »

I was trying to kill Fengrush with my Argonian Survey Mule Crafter, with only 2 skills points in Cyrodill with full cowards gear. I think he was protected by good skills.

Is that what you have understand from this topic? Really?

Jaraal

Ganj wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

But if the case quite the opposite which means if you are getting bully by a streamer constantly? I meant do streamers have wider lines when it comes to COC? But you already made your point there

Sure, I get tea bagged, racially insulted, sexually harrassed and whatnot by streamers all the time. And TBH, that sort of stuff doesn't bother me. Thin skinned individuals will always have a hard time in PvP, it's just the nature of the game. The difference is that non-streamers aren't a protected class like streamers are.

Sju

Lephrel wrote: »

I have no idea what incident you are referring to, but in general I'm pretty sure they enforce the TOS, no matter who you are. A number of relatively well-know streamers and youtubers actually got perma-banned in, e.g. Kodi and Nesquick.
That being said, there are some instances, where streamers definitely got preferential treatment. I remember them instantly lifting the ban on Sypher, after he contacted support.

I guess my point is, they surely aren't always fair, I don't think that would even be possible. But in general, I feel like streamers are treated like all the other players.

Some "perma bans" don't last that long, even for what should have been considered extreme violations.

danno8

I like how your title says "support" streamers, then the poll wording changes to "protect" streamers.

It's almost as if you are trying to get around forum rules of discussing moderation and tos/coc conduct policies.

Elsonso

Yes, the support streamers.
Yes, they warn, suspend, and ban streamers.
Yes, they even kick streamers out of the ESO streamer clubhouse.

Edit to fix auto incorrect.

Master_Kas

Jaraal wrote: »

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

Not quite right. I've killed some streamers sometimes (and got nuked by them) and nothing has happened. There's a big diffrence if you're looking at the persons livestream to stalk/gank them and if you're just playing without watching their stream.

''Stream sniping is when an online gamer exploits the livestream of a person they're playing against in an abusive, advantageous, or annoying way.''

Ganj

danno8 wrote: »

I like how your title says "support" streamers, then the poll wording changes to "protect" streamers.

It's almost as if you are trying to get around forum rules of discussing moderation and tos/coc conduct policies.

Its just because there was another topic about this and removed as i mentioned :S So thats why i have to be much more careful while using my words. But i think people got the point so it should be okay. If you need further explanation tho i can only help trough private message.

Khazad_dum

Jaraal wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

But if the case quite the opposite which means if you are getting bully by a streamer constantly? I meant do streamers have wider lines when it comes to COC? But you already made your point there

Sure, I get tea bagged, racially insulted, sexually harrassed and whatnot by streamers all the time. And TBH, that sort of stuff doesn't bother me. Thin skinned individuals will always have a hard time in PvP, it's just the nature of the game. The difference is that non-streamers aren't a protected class like streamers are.

Yeah, may be with this way, they want us to be streamer so we can be as toxic,racist,harasser as much we want.

danno8

Ganj wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how your title says "support" streamers, then the poll wording changes to "protect" streamers.

It's almost as if you are trying to get around forum rules of discussing moderation and tos/coc conduct policies.

Its just because there was another topic about this and removed as i mentioned :S So thats why i have to be much more careful while using my words. But i think people got the point so it should be okay. If you need further explanation tho i can only help trough private message.

The purpose of this thread is to shame/embarrass ZoS or the streamers that you clearly believe they protect from moderation stemming from objectionable conduct. You are not actually looking for a accurate answer since it is impossible for you to get an accurate answer on these forums one way or another.

This thread will be locked/deleted just like the other one, but if you got a warning before, you will probably get banned now.

Hawco10

I remember watching one particular streamer. He was in a dungeon with a certain zos person and another streamer/YouTube guy. No idea who the other guy was. Anyway. Spent most of the stream taking how the game was running flawlessly and everything was working great.
Day or so later, I went ahead and got the particular DLC. You can guess the rest. Never again will I put any stock into what a streamer says or tries to promote. Really wish I could mention the particular streamer but I know I can’t.

Ganj

danno8 wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how your title says "support" streamers, then the poll wording changes to "protect" streamers.

It's almost as if you are trying to get around forum rules of discussing moderation and tos/coc conduct policies.

Its just because there was another topic about this and removed as i mentioned :S So thats why i have to be much more careful while using my words. But i think people got the point so it should be okay. If you need further explanation tho i can only help trough private message.

The purpose of this thread is to shame/embarrass ZoS or the streamers that you clearly believe they protect from moderation stemming from objectionable conduct. You are not actually looking for a accurate answer since it is impossible for you to get an accurate answer on these forums one way or another.

This thread will be locked/deleted just like the other one, but if you got a warning before, you will probably get banned now.

1 - The purpose of this thread is to speak basically know to what people think about this. Thats why forums are here. We are not talking about someone specific or anything near to that.
2 - I personally do look for an accurate answer because i wonder what people thinks about this matter.
3 - No i havent got any warning because here we are just sharing opinion, no one shaming anyone here.

You are clearly sensitive about this, i dont know why and its not my concern. We are here to share general opinion about this matter here, not to talk personal issues

Amottica

colossalvoids wrote: »

Depends on an actual case. Thing is that some people can get offence where there was none but there were cases when they took action if it was necessary.

I have seen Zos comment on some things that they look at them on a case-by-case basis. SoI would suggest reporting the streamer if you see them violating the terms Zenimax set forth for all of us. I do not think the poll will really tell us anything since we can only assume what Zos may or may not be doing.

Ackwalan

It's more then ZOS protecting streamers, it's using the AI reporting system. A single ticket reporting a problem won't ever be read by a person, it will get filed away with others like it until that file reaches a point that it gets flagged. A streamer with many followers can get many people to put in a ticket which will get flagged as important very quickly. This can be used both in a good way and bad. There can also be over zealous followers that make a report every time they feel their guy is being put on. Sadly ZOS is over dependent on AI to prioritize their reports. I'm sure this thread is getting hit with reports (none being read by a person) by people feeling like they need to protect their guy.

danno8

Ganj wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

Ganj wrote: »

danno8 wrote: »

I like how your title says "support" streamers, then the poll wording changes to "protect" streamers.

It's almost as if you are trying to get around forum rules of discussing moderation and tos/coc conduct policies.

Its just because there was another topic about this and removed as i mentioned :S So thats why i have to be much more careful while using my words. But i think people got the point so it should be okay. If you need further explanation tho i can only help trough private message.

The purpose of this thread is to shame/embarrass ZoS or the streamers that you clearly believe they protect from moderation stemming from objectionable conduct. You are not actually looking for a accurate answer since it is impossible for you to get an accurate answer on these forums one way or another.

This thread will be locked/deleted just like the other one, but if you got a warning before, you will probably get banned now.

1 - The purpose of this thread is to speak basically know to what people think about this. Thats why forums are here. We are not talking about someone specific or anything near to that.
2 - I personally do look for an accurate answer because i wonder what people thinks about this matter.
3 - No i havent got any warning because here we are just sharing opinion, no one shaming anyone here.

You are clearly sensitive about this, i dont know why and its not my concern. We are here to share general opinion about this matter here, not to talk personal issues

I'm trying to give you good advice, like I did in the other thread when I said you should report/ignore and move on.

But it's your account, so you can do whatever you feel is appropriate.

Good luck.

Mythreindeer

I’d probably give it a rest on the streamers thing. It’s a no win situation.

Elsonso

Amottica wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

Depends on an actual case. Thing is that some people can get offence where there was none but there were cases when they took action if it was necessary.

I have seen Zos comment on some things that they look at them on a case-by-case basis. SoI would suggest reporting the streamer if you see them violating the terms Zenimax set forth for all of us. I do not think the poll will really tell us anything since we can only assume what Zos may or may not be doing.

The poll will not tell anything. It is biased towards projecting the image that ZOS will let streamers get away with stuff. I am sure that people believe that, or even if they don't, want to reinforce that image.

I know that streamers have been actually banned from the game for what they have done or said in the game while on the stream. Like anyone, they can petition to have this reversed. I know of cases where it has been, and where it has not.

I know of one case where a streamer has been kicked out of the little ESO family club that ZOS runs because of stuff they did. I am not sure if they can petition to have this reversed. Gina is not a force I would want to have to deal with on this matter.

Saying anything more than that constitutes discussing things that shall not be discussed, and for good reason.

Jaraal

Master_Kas wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

Of course they protect them. It's in the Code of Conduct:

2.3 You may not harass, threaten, intentionally humiliate, “stream snipe”, “name and shame”, engage in acts of “griefing”, or cause distress to another user, guest, or ZeniMax staff member/teams using ZeniMax sites and Services.

https://account.elderscrollsonline.com/code-of-conduct


If you target a streamer in PvP you can be banned. So just let them kill you and then rez elsewhere.

Not quite right. I've killed some streamers sometimes (and got nuked by them) and nothing has happened. There's a big diffrence if you're looking at the persons livestream to stalk/gank them and if you're just playing without watching their stream.

''Stream sniping is when an online gamer exploits the livestream of a person they're playing against in an abusive, advantageous, or annoying way.''

However, if you are actioned for "annoying" a streamer, the burden of proof is upon you to prove your innocence.

What if you aren't watching streams, aren't aware of them streaming, or don't even know they are a streamer? What if you are embarrassing them because you are killing them over and over on their live stream, and they complain to ZOS about it?

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