Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
This has been a problem on console for years now. You'd think that with all the money they make they could hire some proper GMs - or just send the moderators in there since that would be vastly better use of that resource - that keep an eye on the game, run events, etc. Instead, management apparently doesn't care or it'd have been dealt with properly.
HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
Guess we know one person here running some of the bots then 😉.
Agree to disagree.
ESO is free on Xbox...
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
Guess we know one person here running some of the bots then 😉.
Agree to disagree.
ESO is free on Xbox...
All my money gets spent on a single ESO account, so no bots here. Just a lot of extra gold from the savings I got buying items priced low.
HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
HalfRain216 wrote: »Everyday all day hundreds of them. Running back and forward between nodes I can’t even farm as they get there at the exact right time and harvest as soon as it appears.
I report everyone I see and try to bring enemy’s to them in hopes they get killed lol but it’s getting a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if they are even acting on my reports.
I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.
I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.
zharkovian wrote: »The reason I play ESO on PC is that I refuse to pay the Xbox Live fee for multiplayer, and no, it is not free on Xbox.
I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.
Think they are confused. It's free with gamepass but not free.
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers.
HalfRain216 wrote: »
Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Goregrinder wrote: »Bots are legitimate consumers.
... who are engaging in behaviors that very clearly and transparently violate the terms of service not just of this game, but of Microsoft as well. Sorry, pal, that's precisely the opposite of legitimate.
HalfRain216 wrote: »
Is was about what botting does to the ESO economy...
You can get a cheaper product but you have to accept you are sending local businesses broke? Supporting another country that may not have the same values or working standards. (Cheaper labour) you kind of answered your own question.
That’s why it is a moral choice to you there is nothing wrong with it, to me there is...
It’s was related to say what Kmart and shops like that have to done to local business. What bots have done to the ESO economy selling Things for cheaper, now people putting in the effort to farm materials are going broke.
Just in my opinion.
Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.