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Khenarth’s Roost Bots farming Xbox
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Everyday all day hundreds of them. Running back and forward between nodes I can’t even farm as they get there at the exact right time and harvest as soon as it appears.
I report everyone I see and try to bring enemy’s to them in hopes they get killed lol but it’s getting a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if they are even acting on my reports.
I report everyone I see and try to bring enemy’s to them in hopes they get killed lol but it’s getting a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if they are even acting on my reports.
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drakthir✭✭✭It's the early level zones, the roost, bal foyan and stros mkai are all filled with bots, i think the smaller areas of the early zones with the same amount of nodes as a large map attracts all the bots and its real bad because you start playing the game and this is what you see.
Then you take a look at the crafting 'economy' its super cheap because bots 3.5k for wax on NAEdited by drakthir on April 23, 2021 3:26PM1 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.1 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.2 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.3 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
Same as buying made in China from Amazon over supporting local businesses lol.
The people putting in the hard work are missing out and you are only filling up the pockets of people who already have the most gold.
Just my opinion I don’t think it’s a good thing...5 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This has been a problem on console for years now. You'd think that with all the money they make they could hire some proper GMs - or just send the moderators in there since that would be vastly better use of that resource - that keep an eye on the game, run events, etc. Instead, management apparently doesn't care or it'd have been dealt with properly.8 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.2 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭This has been a problem on console for years now. You'd think that with all the money they make they could hire some proper GMs - or just send the moderators in there since that would be vastly better use of that resource - that keep an eye on the game, run events, etc. Instead, management apparently doesn't care or it'd have been dealt with properly.
You think it would be easy to implement a system that if a player takes the exact same path and actions 50 times in a row they are flagged for further investigation or something.
Starting to think ESO has a hand in them someway (joking)3 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.2 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
Guess we know one person here running some of the bots then 😉.
Agree to disagree.
ESO is free on Xbox...2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
Guess we know one person here running some of the bots then 😉.
Agree to disagree.
ESO is free on Xbox...
All my money gets spent on a single ESO account, so no bots here. Just a lot of extra gold from the savings I got buying items priced low.Edited by Goregrinder on April 23, 2021 5:51PM3 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers. They bought the base game just like we did. It's not really up to us to decide who is and isn't a "valid" gamer. That's ZOS's job. I personally love paying low prices for things, so I will always turn the other cheek.
Guess we know one person here running some of the bots then 😉.
Agree to disagree.
ESO is free on Xbox...
All my money gets spent on a single ESO account, so no bots here. Just a lot of extra gold from the savings I got buying items priced low.
I do understand where you are coming from it’s just more of a moral dilemma for me lol.
Do I want my gold to go to bots with wallets over 10mil or to players who deserve it from effort and will actually use that gold to advance, get better at the game and also use it to buy other items instead of stacking it up.
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As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
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✭✭✭✭✭I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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zharkovian✭✭✭✭The reason I play ESO on PC is that I refuse to pay the Xbox Live fee for multiplayer, and no, it is not free on Xbox.1
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carly✭✭✭✭They are on PC as well (or were) - Kenarthi's roost is the most extreme I've seen. There are several Sorc bots that run that zone constantly, day in and day out. My favorite was the one Sorc that had 2 other Sorc's stuck to her and 6 pets up. I just gave up going there several months ago so no idea if they are still there but yes they are annoying.1
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robwolf666✭✭✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »Everyday all day hundreds of them. Running back and forward between nodes I can’t even farm as they get there at the exact right time and harvest as soon as it appears.
I report everyone I see and try to bring enemy’s to them in hopes they get killed lol but it’s getting a bit ridiculous. I’m not sure if they are even acting on my reports.
They've been active for years, literally, but nothing ever seems to be done about them. Sure they'll disappear for awhile now and then, but they always come back.
If they ever figure out who it is behind them they should be banned from the server forever for putting malicious software on it. I mean if they can do that, what else can they do?1 -
XxCaLxX✭✭✭✭✭I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.
Think they are confused. It's free with gamepass but not free.3 -
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✭Didn't Blizzard do something about those bots/multiboxers recently? Couldn't ZOS do the same?0 -
HalfRain216✭✭✭I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.zharkovian wrote: »The reason I play ESO on PC is that I refuse to pay the Xbox Live fee for multiplayer, and no, it is not free on Xbox.I've tried dragging mobs to the Bots on Roost before, but none of them have AoE attacks so the Bots can't accidentally draw aggro. I really wish Mobs, once in combat, would just attack any player within range instead. Yes that could be abused but any legitimate player would have no trouble fighting the lured mob.HalfRain216 wrote: »As I said above eso is free on Xbox so then being a legitimate consumer is questionable is it not?
Come again? Since when was ESO a free game.
Think they are confused. It's free with gamepass but not free.
I think having a console and paying for live is pretty standard I’ve paid every month for years since the halo multiplayer days.
If ESO is the only game you play fair enough I’d say.
Considering having Xbox live is necessary to play any multiplayer game except for true free to play games like fortnite.
Xbox ultimate is only about $2 dollars extra a month for over 100 game titles I would class that as free haven’t bought a game in years.
Not technically obviously but I have never purchased the base game. I think all the other TES games is on there to.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
If someone spends hours collecting mats to sell they deserve a price for the work they put in to collect them. People will buy them because they don’t want to put on the work to farm them and they have the gold from activities they enjoy that’s how an economy works. If you introduce something that does one of those parts automatically one of those people that enjoys doings something will miss out as in the person farming.
I agree, they deserve a price for their labor and the item they are selling. What that price is though, is determined by the market and how many other people are selling the same thing. Sometimes it's a sellers market, sometimes it's a buyer's market. If the demand for an item stays the same, but the supply increases significantly because more people are farming said item, then the price to buy that item will decrease which is great for consumers.
The price isn’t being determined by the market though it’s being determined by people gaining the system.
If there was no bots the prices would be determined by 1 what the seller lists it at is it worth paying or going farming yourself.
If the prices are to high people will not buy and farm themselves so the prices would come down for people to purchase regardless.
It’s only supply and demand because of bots otherwise it would be price versus effort if that makes sense.
The bots are not legitimate players and they are setting the prices regardless whether they are to high or to low. I don’t think that is fair.
Bots are legitimate consumers.
... who are engaging in behaviors that very clearly and transparently violate the terms of service not just of this game, but of Microsoft as well. Sorry, pal, that's precisely the opposite of legitimate.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »
The only that will happen if you report them, is that you can put them on ignore.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
I question whether you are getting much benefit from them, as a consumer.
Perhaps for players that run bots, maybe. If they don't keep that stuff in their crafting bag, that is. They are probably leveling up the character farming XP. Mats are a byproduct that could be useful if they decide to expand into crafting. I expect that players are the minority of the botters out there, though.
The more "professional" bots, which are what I think I am usually seeing in the game (on PC), there is no reason to sell the mats on the open market. Sure, some may do that, but it is a lot of extra work. Given the unlimited supply of mats that a bot provides, the easiest way to get gold is to just sell the mats to an NPC merchant. Yes, you get less gold per transaction, but when you are running an army of bots all day, every day, it adds up. It is also easily automated. This is what I have seen the bots do on PC.
If they are not interested in the gold, they can sell the mats directly to players via RMT on their website. ZOS tends to shut these down when they find them, and this might be the only sort of bot that ZOS actively goes after.Goregrinder wrote: »Bots are legitimate consumers.
... who are engaging in behaviors that very clearly and transparently violate the terms of service not just of this game, but of Microsoft as well. Sorry, pal, that's precisely the opposite of legitimate.
I get why ZOS apparently lacks interest in bots. What I don't understand is why Microsoft is not more interested in stopping botting on their consoles.
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Sleep724✭✭✭✭✭If they actually had game masters that play the game like that loading screen text says there are... Don’t be fooled!0
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Jeffrey530✭✭✭✭HalfRain216 wrote: »
Is was about what botting does to the ESO economy...
You can get a cheaper product but you have to accept you are sending local businesses broke? Supporting another country that may not have the same values or working standards. (Cheaper labour) you kind of answered your own question.
That’s why it is a moral choice to you there is nothing wrong with it, to me there is...
It’s was related to say what Kmart and shops like that have to done to local business. What bots have done to the ESO economy selling Things for cheaper, now people putting in the effort to farm materials are going broke.
Just in my opinion.
If the product is cheaper and the quality is the same, shouldn't the local business reflect on their product or pricing instead? This is different from botting as botting is a bannable offence, imaging saying international trade is immoral and a crime as well. I understand and appreciate about supporting local businesses, but why is it immoral to buy from other countries just by judging from the fact that it is from a different country?
So in your point of view, most people in the world are all immoral? I highly doubt any of us do not own stuff made by other countries rather than your local business. I live in the Uk but my iphone is designed in US and made in china/asia, Sometimes I buy beef/veg made in US and europe, so I must be a criminal to you.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »HalfRain216 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Bots always come and go in MMORPGs. Been that way since I believe EQ1 days? I'm sure someone will correct me on that. Not much you can do other than watch them or reap the benefits of them pumping the market with a constant supply of mats.
Not if your a legit player trying to sell the mats wrecks the economy in that sense.
If you're referring to forcing price competition, then yes you are correct. More supply than demand is always better for us consumers.
I do not think it really works that way.
Yes, they increase the supply of resources for sale but they also increase the supply of gold as well. They are playing both sides and in the end, bots play on everyone as inflation occurs due to their activities. I expect they farm more than these materials to source their gold.0
