More sets for healers please? The SPC/Hollowfang/Symphony combo is getting boring.

hcbigdogdoghc

Every class, 95% of situations, you use SPC(olo)/Hollowfang/Symphony, use literally anything else and you get judged. Maybe necros can use master architect or catalyst, and you can go jorvuld/RO in trials but that's it.

Use sets that give you more healing like hiti , winter's respite, or nightflame? "Healing is already super easy you don't need these"

Use defensive sets like combat physician, mending, or gossamer? "You don't need more survival, if you need these sets it's a LTP issue"

Use "selfish" sets? Don't even need to mention what most people will say.

Use jorvuld? "It build 'bad habits', you can get 100% uptime on everything without it"

Please, give healers more options, let us be allowed to use something else other than the same old SPC/Hollowfang/Symphony, I've been using the same sets for literally years.

And no things like Z'en and martial knowledge are not healer sets, yes I agree that healers can use these, but they are not healer sets.The fact that things like these are even considered on healers reflects exactly just how little sets there are for healers.

Starlight_Whisper

Hits does more then just heal you know
Only one healer can use blades. So troll king, earthgore, sentiental.

I 💯 agree zens and mk aren't healer sets. They are dps supports sets for that hybrid group that really only uses one full healer.

Kyne's wind has more resources then hollowfang if you have a mixed stamina and magicka group.

Defensive sets are important for groups that are learning or pug groups too. Gossmer makes kyne trial easy for nobodies in craglorn.

Sangwyne

Don't forget, you always have the option to switch out SPC for Olorime or even Perfected Olorime (gasp), along with getting to choose between Symphony or Sentinel of Rkugamz, all of which effectively grant the same bonus anyhow. Really wish there were more options for healer and support roles than "5pc Major Courage, 5pc group sustain, Monster set group sustain". Would be nice to see more variety, something like a low uptime but strong shield-focused set for mitigating heavy burst, or a set with the ability to turn allies invisible, allowing the group to sneak past the next group of enemies for speedruns, or a set that prevents the next ally death (with a suitably long cooldown) to allow for some forgiveness during no-death runs. Something that contributes more than just DPS, a buff to group DPS, or group sustain (for more DPS, of course).

tsaescishoeshiner

For endgame, competitive PvE, you'll probably always be in whatever's meta. For vet DLC dungeons and arenas, you can try being a combo DPS/healer—how high DPS can you get while still keeping everyone alive and topped off on resources? That's kept it interesting for me, but it depends on the class and the group

ThorianB

I use Winter's Respite and Combat Physician on my pug healer. I don't care if people judge me.

Shewolf075

You are allowed to use whatever sets you like. Don't have to go with the meta so long as you are still focused on healing as your primary role and good at it. If you do heal just fine then I don't see the problem using other sets to further branch out. Honestly, when I tire of healing I change my skills rather than sets to add more support/damage.

Cireous

Oh that's cool to hear. Hiti and Winter's Respite are NOT used in endgame and simply WILL NOT WORK when healing in Overland outside of a group. Useful. Thanks a bunch for the changes on those.

gimmie back my overland healing sets already, please

Tsar_Gekkou

I've literally never seen anyone say that jorvulds builds bad habits. I'm pretty much always in jorvulds because people love the fat warhorn. But for things like hitis and winter's respite, they're good if you're low cp and don't have enough spell damage or max magicka for big heals, but if you're high enough cp to do endgame stuff, you're gonna be overhealing for the most part anyway. Combat physician and the other similar set that gives a small damage shield are kinda meh, zos changed mending a while back and killed it for pve while making it more viable in pvp, and gossamer is definitely good when you're progging things like tick-tock-tormentor.

the1andonlyskwex

The biggest problem is that Major Courage is super-strong and the only places to get it are SPC and Olo. If it were more readily available (either as a self-buff or from otherwise worthwhile DPS sets), healers would have more flexibility.

Thealteregoroman

I'm a healer and I have no idea what yall are talking about...I have just been using Kagrenac's Hope when I heal. Can someone break it down and put me on game?

There is a lot of like abbreviated lingo in this thread and I really would like to know whats an awesome healer set that's crafted or can be farmed for a solo player...

I feel like im on the old-school healer stuff.

Thealteregoroman

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

I'm a healer and I have no idea what yall are talking about...I have just been using Kagrenac's Hope when I heal. Can someone break it down and put me on game?

There is a lot of like abbreviated lingo in this thread and I really would like to know whats an awesome healer set that's crafted or can be farmed for a solo player...

I feel like im on the old-school healer stuff.

***that can be farmed solo to be used for Dungeon group healing***

Hotdog_23

Normal dungeon I go 2 full dps build but with a resto backbar. Vet same skill setup basically but change one dps set out for SPC. Trials full support set's.

Stay safe and enjoy the journey 😊

PS. ZOS stop the micromanagement of the green tree 🥺

oddbasket

Pretty sure <10% of the healers I've encountered in group finder use that combo. It's pretty much anything goes. Resource management is a mostly a personal issue in pugs, half the healers I meet don't even have at least orbs.

Olupajmibanan

It's all about type of group you are. Of course, defensive sets have no use in leaderboard groups, however, they are a blessing in progression groups. Never compare a leaderboard group and a progression group. This is something most people can't learn, and blindly copy paste streamer builds, but streamers are usually part of a leaderboard group and these kind of setups are sub-optimal for progression groups.

Jorvuld + RO is still the strongest trial combo you have available if you are not one of those 6 magnecro leaderboard groups.

Winter's Respite has its use on Falgravn HM. I've seen even leaderboard groups using it for execute phase.

Worm is still good in stressful encounters where using parse food does more harm than good. It benefits your tanks and healers in addition to DDs.

Combat Physician is underrated and with Bastion (slottable red CP) it goes to 5k shield size. Good for learning mobile encounters such as vCR+3 or vAS+2. The explanation is easy, progression groups can't just stack and burn any of those mentioned fights and have to follow all the mechanics. Therefore, defensive sets equal to less chances to die.

Gossamer is usable only in encounters where you get damaged each second or faster. If the window between damage ticks is longer, Gossamer won't work and your buff will wear off before you get another hit. Used to use it on Falgravn HM, but completely replaced it with Winter's Respite lately.


For Monster sets:
Symfony is obvious.

Sentinel has its use in stack and burn fights.

Earthgore is, trust or not, still a life saver in some encounters.

Troll King helps in fights with healing reduced debuffs involved (for example tombs on Lokkestiiz), because these debuffs in PvE ignore health regeneration.

As of last patch, Enkratis Behemoth entered your arsenal (the AoE is huge so with your healer, you can easily affect whole group along with enemy targets). Just slap Flame Enchant on your resto staff and you have easy uptime. Dropping Heroism poison is 100% worth for this.

Arkew

me too i'm so bored with the meta , so i play off meta, when dd begin to annoy me i just answer, if your not happy go make your healer.

Same thing when i play tank they generally don't try to make me angry because ppl in pug know how hard is to found a true tank.

CrashTest

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Kyne's wind has more resources then hollowfang if you have a mixed stamina and magicka group.

How big is the AoE on Kyne's Wind?

Varana

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

The biggest problem is that Major Courage is super-strong and the only places to get it are SPC and Olo. If it were more readily available (either as a self-buff or from otherwise worthwhile DPS sets), healers would have more flexibility.

Making a dedicated support/healer even more irrelevant in the process.

Starlight_Whisper

CrashTest wrote: »

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Kyne's wind has more resources then hollowfang if you have a mixed stamina and magicka group.

How big is the AoE on Kyne's Wind?

About the same as hollowfang. Only thing is it's a clear aoe... like looks like the wind ironically so hard see radius sometimes

Worm, hollowfang, blades, sentient then kyne's makes dream sustain sustain that been asked for once. 😂 I was like come at me bro if you keep yelling about lacking resources