Perfected Monster Set

TheForFeeF

I know this is a sensitive subject in the game, due to the Maelstrom Arena incident...But, if done correctly, what would people think about these?

I personally would really like to see these, not because it could potentially give us some more character power, but because it would make Hard Mode more worthwhile.

At the moment, outside of achievements and undaunted keys, Hard Mode really isn't worth grinding at all. It currently goes like this:

• Normal Dungeon = blue gear + achievements
• Veteran Dungeon = purple gear + achievements + monster helm
• Hard Mode = achievements + monster helm

I don't really know how this could be implemented correctly, but it would be safe to presume that the Hard Mode boss would drop the perfected monster helm. Regarding the shoulders, there would have to be a rework done on the chests and keys (potentially normal = 1 key, vet = 2 key, HM = 3 key and then work the chest rewards off of that).

I get that people do not like to grind all over again, and the issue was that last time it was basically a nerf to their current items (you had to complete vet to get the Maelstrom weapons before they added perfected tier rewards). But, this way, it doesn't really do that as it doesn't replace any current drops.

The other thing to discuss is, what would the extra stat be? Or, would it even be an extra stat, could it just be a buff on the already existing stats?

Parasaurolophus

No

I would like one weapon and one jewelry to drop for completing HM. Now I have done over 50 runs in nBDW and I still haven't seen the Kinras dagger.

TheForFeeF

Yes

BrownChicken wrote: »

I would like one weapon and one jewelry to drop for completing HM. Now I have done over 50 runs in nBDW and I still haven't seen the Kinras dagger.

This could also be a good idea to make Hard Modes more worthwhile... definitely at least a guaranteed weapon drop.

Parasaurolophus

No

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Scardan

No

No. By making hard mode "more wothwhile" (sounds like you are not interested in this mode at all) you just force people even more into content they do not enjoy.

My suggestion is - normal mode= monster helm. Vet and hard modes = perfected versions.
And there is no need to nod at the "incident" with the arena. Those who are interested in the challenge will loot perfect helmets for themselves the next day.

Grandchamp1989

No

I would say yes if..

Normal - Monster Helmet
Vet - Perfected Monster Helmet
vet HM Perfected monster helmet + guarenteed motif (as it is now)

PVP players (Yes I'm actually thinking about you guys for once) and casuals should have easier access to monster helmet because they're so powerful.

Trial gear shouldn't be locked behind Hardmode and neither should monster helmet. That just widens the gap between casuals and veteran - which we don't need.

AyaDark

No

Do not want not only refarm my CP, but refarm my sets, monster sets, rings and etc.

Perfect weapon refarm was ENOUGH !!!

Ratzkifal

No

TheForFeeF wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

I would like one weapon and one jewelry to drop for completing HM. Now I have done over 50 runs in nBDW and I still haven't seen the Kinras dagger.

This could also be a good idea to make Hard Modes more worthwhile... definitely at least a guaranteed weapon drop.

Hardmodes are already worthwhile due to guaranteed motif drops and newer DLC dungeons have double loot when you do the hardmode.

Also, monster sets have shoulder pieces too. That doesn't just mean needing to regrind all monster hats, it also means needing to regrind Undaunted pledges to get back all the shoulder pieces you already had. And then, knowing ZOS, PvP players wouldn't be able to buy the perfected version from The Golden, so they get screwed over for no reason.

Adding perfected versions to old sets adds nothing of value as long as they don't need to compete with perfected sets in the same slot.

TheForFeeF

Yes

Scardan wrote: »

No. By making hard mode "more wothwhile" (sounds like you are not interested in this mode at all) you just force people even more into content they do not enjoy.

My suggestion is - normal mode= monster helm. Vet and hard modes = perfected versions.
And there is no need to nod at the "incident" with the arena. Those who are interested in the challenge will loot perfect helmets for themselves the next day.

The only time I ever do Hard Mode is either when I am doing achievement runs, motif farming, or pledges. Out side of that, you don't need to do Hard Mode for anything else.

It is the same for Normal and Veteran dungeons. You run them for what you need. You don't do them randomly or for leaderboard reasons.

The reason for the "nod" to the arena is because every time I see a "perfected" thread pop-up, it constantly gets referred to, as a lot of the playerbase was not happy with how it was handled. So, anytime there is a potential perfected change, or a perfected idea, we need to look at that, and learn from those mistakes.

TheForFeeF

Yes

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

I would say yes if..

Normal - Monster Helmet
Vet - Perfected Monster Helmet
vet HM Perfected monster helmet + guarenteed motif (as it is now)

PVP players (Yes I'm actually thinking about you guys for once) and casuals should have easier access to monster helmet because they're so powerful.

Trial gear shouldn't be locked behind Hardmode and neither should monster helmet. That just widens the gap between casuals and veteran - which we don't need.

I do agree with this a lot more in fairness. I always think content should be easily accessible. However, it would have the potential to have another Maelstrom Arena perfected weapons backlash.

Alaztor91

No

If ZOS wants to make Hard Mode more attractive outside of Pledge days they could just add a tradeable Motif(could be Mercenary or a completely new one) that only drops from bosses killed in HM, which is afaik what they do with DLC Dungeons. The same could be done with vDSA so it has an exclusive Motif similar to Honor Guard for vBRP.

Repeating the same Perfected vMA/vDSA ''incident'' would only serve to *** people off because after people refarm their gear we would end up with the same situation where there is no reason to run Arenas outside of weeklies or Dungeons outside of Pledge days.

TheForFeeF

Yes

Ratzkifal wrote: »

TheForFeeF wrote: »

BrownChicken wrote: »

I would like one weapon and one jewelry to drop for completing HM. Now I have done over 50 runs in nBDW and I still haven't seen the Kinras dagger.

This could also be a good idea to make Hard Modes more worthwhile... definitely at least a guaranteed weapon drop.

Hardmodes are already worthwhile due to guaranteed motif drops and newer DLC dungeons have double loot when you do the hardmode.

Also, monster sets have shoulder pieces too. That doesn't just mean needing to regrind all monster hats, it also means needing to regrind Undaunted pledges to get back all the shoulder pieces you already had. And then, knowing ZOS, PvP players wouldn't be able to buy the perfected version from The Golden, so they get screwed over for no reason.

Adding perfected versions to old sets adds nothing of value as long as they don't need to compete with perfected sets in the same slot.

I did mention in my original post that the shoulder pieces would need to be taken into consideration. There would need to be a rework to how many keys drop, and how much the chests cost (or maybe, get rid of chest and you can outright buy them with keys).

The base idea I had for this was normal = 1 key, veteran = 2 key, hard mode = 3 key.

Uvi_AUT

No

No, because Hardmodes suck.

Starlock

Wouldn't make a difference to me one way or the other. That said, I feel the "rewards" system in dungeons is complicated enough as it is.

Avalon

Yes

I’d rather move monster sets to normal, perfect for vet, and have something new or better for hard mode.

Maybe immaculate monster, or a monster weapon set, or a forge thing at the end that allows to do a limited transmute on traits for gear that dropped in this run of the dungeon (still has the icon for tradeable)...

Maybe an npc that only appears on hard mode, who will give you your choice of any one item (with random trait) that drops normally in the dungeon?

SidraWillowsky

Yes

Something like this feels desperately needed. I can't say I have any real incentive to run vet dungeons right now, and I think this would add something fun to motivate people again.

Maybe they could even just drop helms that are already golded out?

Andre_Noir

No

There is enough pointless grind already

pelle412

Yes

I think hard mode should provide additional rewards. Maybe not a new set but extra drops with some monetary value would be nice.

Odovacar

No

AyaDark wrote: »

Do not want not only refarm my CP, but refarm my sets, monster sets, rings and etc.

Perfect weapon refarm was ENOUGH !!!

this ^^

Chrysa1is

No

Lol

xaraan

No

No. let's quit downgrading what we got from rewards just to put new ones in.

As in, if they did this, all our undaunted helms would be like vMA weapons - they'd lose their 1 pc bonus. Then later, a perfected version would be added for running the same content we've all already run to give us the essentially the same items we already had.

It's fine the way it is.

Contaminate

No

No way in hell, I know they wouldn’t update all the stuff I earned from my vet clears, so I don’t want anything to do with “perfected” anything.

Khenarthi

No

No thanks. Enough power creep!