*SOLVED* Missing Ancestral Tomb - turns out Zenimax just trolled me hardcore

Dahveed

EDIT - turns out I was just being hardcore trolled the entire time and it is literally impossible to fill this gap without a special quest. I'm going to be sick to my stomach, this is TERRIBLE game design, and I can't believe it made it to the "final cut" of ESO...

Original post:

I have this big gap in the model at the library in Vivec City just to the east of the volcano. I've gotten all the tomb rubbings there, and I've even cheated online to make sure I hit them all in this area... but I still have a huge gap in the miniature map.

https://imgur.com/a/Lki3BLO

Am I just blind?

Dahveed

As I said I've gotten all the tombs in this area, and I've run roughshod over that area for the past two hours today, and an hour yesterday.

I've even gone online (which I almost never do) and cheated, going to the exact locations that people have posted... I have all the tombs, yet the game is still telling me I have missed one...

jedtb16_ESO

Dahveed wrote: »

I have this big gap in the model at the library in Vivec City just to the east of the volcano. I've gotten all the tomb rubbings there, and I've even cheated online to make sure I hit them all in this area... but I still have a huge gap in the miniature map.

https://imgur.com/a/Lki3BLO

Am I just blind?

you need to go back and talk to the guy in the library.

Dahveed

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

I have this big gap in the model at the library in Vivec City just to the east of the volcano. I've gotten all the tomb rubbings there, and I've even cheated online to make sure I hit them all in this area... but I still have a huge gap in the miniature map.

https://imgur.com/a/Lki3BLO

Am I just blind?

you need to go back and talk to the guy in the library.

I did... several times, just to make sure. He doesn't update the map anymore.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

There is a quest you get from him to fill that last little gap by the East side slope of Red Mountain. If he fails to give you that quest, you have a bug that you should report.

Dahveed

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO wrote: »

There is a quest you get from him to fill that last little gap by the East side slope of Red Mountain. If he fails to give you that quest, you have a bug that you should report.

Ok, thanks... THAT is the info I needed.

I still have two other gaps to fill in the northwest.

Absolutely ridiculous that they give no indication whatsoever that this gap cannot be filled without a quest, I literally just wasted about 4 hours of my time running around, searching again and again, going to the internet, etc etc etc.... Such a massive waste of time when there is ZERO indication that you can't find it without a quest.

Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game design. There is a lot about this game I find annoying and that I would do differently but I rarely complain... but this is flat-out trolling the player to an extreme degree and I am frankly astonished that it made it into the game.

kringled_1

If you're missing parts to the northwest, that's why you don't have the quest available.

SeaGtGruff

It's actually a fun quest, IF you understand how it works.

The first time I did it, I thought the document on the Librarian's desk was supposed to update its list of shrines whenever I turned in a rubbing-- which of course it never did, so I thought the quest was bugged. And being the stubborn old goat that I am, I refused to ask anyone about the quest in zone chat.

Eventually I realized that the 3D map of Vvardenfell is what gets updated, and I had fun climbing up on top of the volcano, looking straight down, comparing the missing sections to my map, and running off to look for the rubbings I was missing.

There was one rubbing in the northeastern section of Vvardenfell that I swear was well outside the area it was supposed to be in, but I finally found it.

As for the section to the east of the volcano, I'd run across the "missing library" a long time before then, so I already knew where it was.

As for having to talk to the Librarian again to get the final portion of the quest, I thought the quest log in your journal told you to go talk to him again? I haven't completed that quest on any other characters yet, and it's been a while since I did it the one time, so I'm not sure about that-- but I don't recall having trouble knowing when it was time to go talk to him again and then go looking for the "lost library" or whatever it's called.

Magdalina

Ooo if this is what I think this is, it's the last piece you need of the whole map. Tbh I did spend quite a while looking for it myself, mainly because I HAVE found what looks like a tomb there but it didn't work XD But in the end it does make sense - iirc, the main reason (storywise) why you're doing this whole searching is that you're looking for that last little bit in order to find the Library of whatever hidden there. It's pretty obvious at this point where it is but the game is going off the assumption your character is really dumb and needs to fill the whole map before you can 'discover' that last part for real. It is annoying in the sense that it's not obvious while you're still in the process whether you can't find a tomb because you aren't looking hard enough or it's because it's that last one which needs no tomb, but tbh it does kind of make sense in the end. I kinda laughed it myself when I realized what it was lol.

spartaxoxo

With this quest and every quest like it, always check to see if you have every fragment if nothing happens after you turn them in.

You can do this by going to Journal > Achievements > DLC Name > Associated Fragment Achievement.

It will let you know what, if any, fragment you are missing. In this case it would have been immediately obvious that you needed to do a quest to finish up because the instant you turn in the last fragment he sends you on it. As you were missing two fragments still you, of course, simply hadn't progressed past the gather the fragments part of your journey yet.

Dahveed

You guys seem to be missing the point.

For every single missing part of the model (in the entire zone), you simply go to that section of the map and search, and you can eventually find it (as I did).

You don't need to talk to anyone, you don't need to complete anything else. Everything the game "tells" you up until that point is that every single piece of the model's "puzzle" has an associated tomb that you can find the rubbing for.

Except at this one point. Again, I repeat that the game tells you nothing at all, so I (as the player solving this puzzle) assume that this chunk of the puzzle is like any other, so I just keep running around looking for it basically forever.

It would be like buying a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle at home, and not realizing until the very end of the entire puzzle that there are in fact only 999 pieces of the puzzle, and the only way to attach the last piece is by reading the fine print on the side of the box that gives you a website address to have to sign up for to order the missing piece. Every normal person would just keep looking for that 1,000th piece amongst all the other pieces, because that is how every jigsaw puzzle in the history of humanity has always functioned...

Until now. In this ESO version of the "jigsaw puzzle", they withhold a piece of it without telling you, forcing you to run around in circles for hours looking for a piece that doesn't even exist until you complete the rest of the puzzle. It's totally ridiculous and impossible to predict.

Anyways I'm done now, I'm up to the point where he offers his quest. I'm so incredibly bored and frustrated at this part of the game that I'll wait until tomorrow to maybe calm down a bit to get this sour taste out of my mouth first.

Thanks for your help.

renne

This exact thing happened to me, and it didn't help that one of the tombs in that area can be bugged. I was kinda furious when I realised it filled it as a part of the quest. (And relieved because the quest wasn't bugged).

phantasmalD

Dahveed wrote: »

You guys seem to be missing the point.

For every single missing part of the model (in the entire zone), you simply go to that section of the map and search, and you can eventually find it (as I did).

You don't need to talk to anyone, you don't need to complete anything else. Everything the game "tells" you up until that point is that every single piece of the model's "puzzle" has an associated tomb that you can find the rubbing for.

Except at this one point. Again, I repeat that the game tells you nothing at all, so I (as the player solving this puzzle) assume that this chunk of the puzzle is like any other, so I just keep running around looking for it basically forever.

It would be like buying a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle at home, and not realizing until the very end of the entire puzzle that there are in fact only 999 pieces of the puzzle, and the only way to attach the last piece is by reading the fine print on the side of the box that gives you a website address to have to sign up for to order the missing piece. Every normal person would just keep looking for that 1,000th piece amongst all the other pieces, because that is how every jigsaw puzzle in the history of humanity has always functioned...

Until now. In this ESO version of the "jigsaw puzzle", they withhold a piece of it without telling you, forcing you to run around in circles for hours looking for a piece that doesn't even exist until you complete the rest of the puzzle. It's totally ridiculous and impossible to predict.

Anyways I'm done now, I'm up to the point where he offers his quest. I'm so incredibly bored and frustrated at this part of the game that I'll wait until tomorrow to maybe calm down a bit to get this sour taste out of my mouth first.

Thanks for your help.

Except it tells you multiple times that there's a missing piece.

First of all, whenever you talk to Librarian Bradyn he flat out tells you that there's going to be a gap. To quote:

You're building a model of Vvardenfell?
"Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule, the secret repository of the knowledge of the Great Houses. I just need someone to help me with the legwork, as it were."

"The model of Vvardenfell progresses nicely, but we still have a long way to go to fill in all the notable landmarks and uncover the location of the lost Library of Andule."

"As you recover more rubbings, return here to me. With every detail we add to our model, the closer we get to discovering the location of the list library! I prepared a list of the tombs you need to find. Refer to the note as you conduct your search."

"Indubitably, thanks to your efforts. Every rubbing you brought back not only helped complete the model, but it also provided another clue as to the location of the lost library. What isn't present is they key!"

Secondly, after collecting the first piece you can pick up the book 'Ancestral Tombs of the Thirty Revered Families'. It lists the 30 known pieces and points out quite clearly that the 31st piece requires collecting them all. [tho tbh the book probably should have included approximate locations]

The associated achivement, Ancestral Tomb Hunter, also tells you that the end goal is to find the library.

The description of the rubbings also mention it. To quote: "A rubbing containing a clue to help locate the lost Library of Andule."

The entire point is to end up with exactly one piece missing so you know where to find it. This isn't bad quest design, this is just a failure to pick up on a critical information.
If you stop and read the clues the game gives you then you'd known that the Library is the final piece. Therefore when you prematurely check out that specific spot and eventually find the door you would know that you don't have to look for a tomb in that specific sector.
Somewhat immersion breaking that you can't tell Bradyn that you found it ahead of time, but that's whatever at this point.

DirkRavenclaw

If you listen/read what the Library Guy tells you at the Start of the Questline, when you have to collect the first Rubbing for him, he tells you that you have to collect all pieces to find the Location for the last Place, the famed lost Library of Andule. And, if you use Mappins Addon you can actually see where all the Tombs are. Far worse find i the Western Skyrim one, for the Musicbox as a Reward. Most Pieces are easy to find but especially 2 in Blackreach near Keep Greymoor i needed youtube to help me out. One you have to do a Jumping Puzzle ala GW2(Not a good Idea in ESO), the other you have to jump of a cliff to a Overhang without falling straight past it into your Dead.

Dahveed

phantasmalD wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

You guys seem to be missing the point.

For every single missing part of the model (in the entire zone), you simply go to that section of the map and search, and you can eventually find it (as I did).

You don't need to talk to anyone, you don't need to complete anything else. Everything the game "tells" you up until that point is that every single piece of the model's "puzzle" has an associated tomb that you can find the rubbing for.

Except at this one point. Again, I repeat that the game tells you nothing at all, so I (as the player solving this puzzle) assume that this chunk of the puzzle is like any other, so I just keep running around looking for it basically forever.

It would be like buying a 1,000 piece jigsaw puzzle at home, and not realizing until the very end of the entire puzzle that there are in fact only 999 pieces of the puzzle, and the only way to attach the last piece is by reading the fine print on the side of the box that gives you a website address to have to sign up for to order the missing piece. Every normal person would just keep looking for that 1,000th piece amongst all the other pieces, because that is how every jigsaw puzzle in the history of humanity has always functioned...

Until now. In this ESO version of the "jigsaw puzzle", they withhold a piece of it without telling you, forcing you to run around in circles for hours looking for a piece that doesn't even exist until you complete the rest of the puzzle. It's totally ridiculous and impossible to predict.

Anyways I'm done now, I'm up to the point where he offers his quest. I'm so incredibly bored and frustrated at this part of the game that I'll wait until tomorrow to maybe calm down a bit to get this sour taste out of my mouth first.

Thanks for your help.

Except it tells you multiple times that there's a missing piece.

First of all, whenever you talk to Librarian Bradyn he flat out tells you that there's going to be a gap. To quote:

You're building a model of Vvardenfell?
"Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule, the secret repository of the knowledge of the Great Houses. I just need someone to help me with the legwork, as it were."

"The model of Vvardenfell progresses nicely, but we still have a long way to go to fill in all the notable landmarks and uncover the location of the lost Library of Andule."

"As you recover more rubbings, return here to me. With every detail we add to our model, the closer we get to discovering the location of the list library! I prepared a list of the tombs you need to find. Refer to the note as you conduct your search."

"Indubitably, thanks to your efforts. Every rubbing you brought back not only helped complete the model, but it also provided another clue as to the location of the lost library. What isn't present is they key!"

Secondly, after collecting the first piece you can pick up the book 'Ancestral Tombs of the Thirty Revered Families'. It lists the 30 known pieces and points out quite clearly that the 31st piece requires collecting them all. [tho tbh the book probably should have included approximate locations]

The associated achivement, Ancestral Tomb Hunter, also tells you that the end goal is to find the library.

The description of the rubbings also mention it. To quote: "A rubbing containing a clue to help locate the lost Library of Andule."

The entire point is to end up with exactly one piece missing so you know where to find it. This isn't bad quest design, this is just a failure to pick up on a critical information.
If you stop and read the clues the game gives you then you'd known that the Library is the final piece. Therefore when you prematurely check out that specific spot and eventually find the door you would know that you don't have to look for a tomb in that specific sector.
Somewhat immersion breaking that you can't tell Bradyn that you found it ahead of time, but that's whatever at this point.

Nothing in what you quoted the librarian as saying tells me that there will be a gap in the model. (Literally nothing.)

It just says that once I find all the TOMBS, I can eventually find the LIBRARY. (Notice that in standard English, the word "library" has a different lexical entry than "tomb".)

As to the second point (the book), shame one me I guess for not reading every single tiny little detail of a flavor book which (apparently) tells me that one specific piece of the model is impossible to find, not just the library. Also, as you point out, it doesn't tell me which one anyways, so how can I know?

And your final point also mentions the library, not a tomb. (Again, a very different thing in English.)

Everything in the entire game which references this aspect of gameplay up until this point leads the player to believe that if I search each missing area of the model, I'll find an ancestral tomb which progresses to the completion of the model which then unlocks the library (which, again, is a LIBRARY and not a TOMB, which are different things).

Nobody in the game, and no text in the game which I had read up until that point (except, apparently, one short book which I would have read probably about 4 months ago, at least) would lead me to believe that there is any one specific section of the model that I cannot unlock. EVERYTHING in the game up until that point lead me to believe that one missing model piece = one missing tomb (i.e. one piece of the jigsaw puzzle).

Now you're trying to make me feel like a noob because I didn't pick up on one tiny obscure reference in one lore book that I would have read months ago when I first arrived in the zone...

Yeah, sorry, not having any of that. This is awful design. You just don't torture your players that way. This is coming from someone who really enjoys challenge, and I often enjoy torturing myself in games by cranking up the difficulty too high.

Dahveed

DirkRavenclaw wrote: »

If you listen/read what the Library Guy tells you at the Start of the Questline, when you have to collect the first Rubbing for him, he tells you that you have to collect all pieces to find the Location for the last Place, the famed lost Library of Andule. And, if you use Mappins Addon you can actually see where all the Tombs are. Far worse find i the Western Skyrim one, for the Musicbox as a Reward. Most Pieces are easy to find but especially 2 in Blackreach near Keep Greymoor i needed youtube to help me out. One you have to do a Jumping Puzzle ala GW2(Not a good Idea in ESO), the other you have to jump of a cliff to a Overhang without falling straight past it into your Dead.

Another person posted in here, word for word, what the librarian guy says. He doesn't say a single word about one of the model puzzle pieces being impossible to find. He says that the location of the LIBRARY is missing, and the game implies that you need to complete the model's missing pieces by finding its appropriate tomb (like you have to do for literally every other piece of the model).

Show me where he says, "Adventurer! Remember that there is one piece of the model which will remain empty forever, which doesn't have a tomb, and I won't tell you which one it is!"

What he DOES say is that yo unlock pieces of the model by finding the tomb in its location. So I see a missing piece, and based on what he tells me (word for word), I assume there is a tomb there. Because, you know, HE TOLD ME THIS, WORD FOR WORD.

spartaxoxo

I mean he is sending you to locations and one of the locations was lost. I never assumed that I would be able to finish the model until I found the library because the point of the tombs was to find a hidden area lost to their maps.

I had thought you were complaining because you had skipped all of the dialogue and just looked at the model to figure out where all the pieces were. So I was like I guess the model could have fog that cleared up over that part or some such.

But if you're arguing that the quest itself doesn't tell you a location is missing, I'd really have to disagree. The tombs were always stated to be connected to the library, and the library was always stated to be a missing piece that you'd have to find all the other pieces first to locate.

Dahveed

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I mean he is sending you to locations and one of the locations was lost. I never assumed that I would be able to finish the model until I found the library because the point of the tombs was to find a hidden area lost to their maps.

I had thought you were complaining because you had skipped all of the dialogue and just looked at the model to figure out where all the pieces were. So I was like I guess the model could have fog that cleared up over that part or some such.

But if you're arguing that the quest itself doesn't tell you a location is missing, I'd really have to disagree. The tombs were always stated to be connected to the library, and the library was always stated to be a missing piece that you'd have to find all the other pieces first to locate.

It never says that the library is part of the model. It just says that the location of the library is missing, and that once I found all the tombs then the key would be revealed to open the library.

Dahveed

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I mean he is sending you to locations and one of the locations was lost. I never assumed that I would be able to finish the model until I found the library because the point of the tombs was to find a hidden area lost to their maps.

I had thought you were complaining because you had skipped all of the dialogue and just looked at the model to figure out where all the pieces were. So I was like I guess the model could have fog that cleared up over that part or some such.

But if you're arguing that the quest itself doesn't tell you a location is missing, I'd really have to disagree. The tombs were always stated to be connected to the library, and the library was always stated to be a missing piece that you'd have to find all the other pieces first to locate.

The exact quote of the librarian guy, posted in this thread, word for word:

You're building a model of Vvardenfell?
"Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule, the secret repository of the knowledge of the Great Houses. I just need someone to help me with the legwork, as it were."


"AND ONCE COMPLETE, it will point us to the location of the lost library of Andule..."

Does nobody here speak English?

I am thoroughly confused as to how you guys could possibly misinterpret this.

My understanding of standard English leads me to believe that "complete" means, you know, FINISHED, no more pieces left, i.e., all the tombs are found and the models is done.

I find it very strange that the person who posted this word-for-word quote is actually trying to use it as some kind of evidence that you in fact DON'T need to complete the model to find the library, when he specifically says in the very first line of dialogue that you have to COMPLETE the model (the entire model, not the entire model minus one piece) in order to THEN find the library.

Seriously I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how people are this blind?

VaranisArano

Dahveed wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I mean he is sending you to locations and one of the locations was lost. I never assumed that I would be able to finish the model until I found the library because the point of the tombs was to find a hidden area lost to their maps.

I had thought you were complaining because you had skipped all of the dialogue and just looked at the model to figure out where all the pieces were. So I was like I guess the model could have fog that cleared up over that part or some such.

But if you're arguing that the quest itself doesn't tell you a location is missing, I'd really have to disagree. The tombs were always stated to be connected to the library, and the library was always stated to be a missing piece that you'd have to find all the other pieces first to locate.

The exact quote of the librarian guy, posted in this thread, word for word:

You're building a model of Vvardenfell?
"Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule, the secret repository of the knowledge of the Great Houses. I just need someone to help me with the legwork, as it were."


"AND ONCE COMPLETE, it will point us to the location of the lost library of Andule..."

Does nobody here speak English?

I am thoroughly confused as to how you guys could possibly misinterpret this.

My understanding of standard English leads me to believe that "complete" means, you know, FINISHED, no more pieces left, i.e., all the tombs are found and the models is done.

I find it very strange that the person who posted this word-for-word quote is actually trying to use it as some kind of evidence that you in fact DON'T need to complete the model to find the library, when he specifically says in the very first line of dialogue that you have to COMPLETE the model (the entire model, not the entire model minus one piece) in order to THEN find the library.

Seriously I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how people are this blind?

You know, sometimes people listen to the same dialogue and come to different conclusions.

It doesn't mean that they are blind or that you missed the obvious. You both interpreted it differently. They wound up where the writer intended - find all but one, then find the last one. You did not. That's more on the writer than it is the player, whatever conclusion people came to. It means that ZOS' writer probably could have playtested this version of their latest "fetch stuff around the zone" quest with a few more people to make sure the dialogue was crystal clear. (I wouldn't be surprised if the length of this particular questline meant it wasn't playtested by many people in-house or on PTS.)


In the writer's defense, the map quest is designed along the same lines as the House of Orsimer Glories quest in Wrothgar, where likewise you can't complete all the exhibits until you get all but one of the pieces, at which point a questline unlocks and you get the final piece. At the time of Vvardenfell's launch, it probably made sense in terms of previous content (and also feels intuitive to players like me who did Orsinium first). Northern Elsweyr has a similar quest with the fragments of the mural - find all but the final piece, then quest for the last one. Complicating the matter is that some of the of Chapter and zone "fetch stuff" quests don't have a final quest attached, like Summerset and Southern Elsweyr.

Since ZOS intends for players to do quests in any order, this is an issue that ZOS should probably look at clarifying for future "fetch the pieces of X" quests, but unless they redub the voice actor's lines, I doubt the confusion around Vvardenfell will get addressed.


...And now I'm a little nostalgic for spending an hour trying to find an unmarked kwama mine so I could deliver some greef to the miners in TES 3.

Dahveed

VaranisArano wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

I mean he is sending you to locations and one of the locations was lost. I never assumed that I would be able to finish the model until I found the library because the point of the tombs was to find a hidden area lost to their maps.

I had thought you were complaining because you had skipped all of the dialogue and just looked at the model to figure out where all the pieces were. So I was like I guess the model could have fog that cleared up over that part or some such.

But if you're arguing that the quest itself doesn't tell you a location is missing, I'd really have to disagree. The tombs were always stated to be connected to the library, and the library was always stated to be a missing piece that you'd have to find all the other pieces first to locate.

The exact quote of the librarian guy, posted in this thread, word for word:

You're building a model of Vvardenfell?
"Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule, the secret repository of the knowledge of the Great Houses. I just need someone to help me with the legwork, as it were."


"AND ONCE COMPLETE, it will point us to the location of the lost library of Andule..."

Does nobody here speak English?

I am thoroughly confused as to how you guys could possibly misinterpret this.

My understanding of standard English leads me to believe that "complete" means, you know, FINISHED, no more pieces left, i.e., all the tombs are found and the models is done.

I find it very strange that the person who posted this word-for-word quote is actually trying to use it as some kind of evidence that you in fact DON'T need to complete the model to find the library, when he specifically says in the very first line of dialogue that you have to COMPLETE the model (the entire model, not the entire model minus one piece) in order to THEN find the library.

Seriously I'm scratching my head trying to figure out how people are this blind?

You know, sometimes people listen to the same dialogue and come to different conclusions.

It doesn't mean that they are blind or that you missed the obvious. You both interpreted it differently. They wound up where the writer intended - find all but one, then find the last one. You did not. That's more on the writer than it is the player, whatever conclusion people came to. It means that ZOS' writer probably could have playtested this version of their latest "fetch stuff around the zone" quest with a few more people to make sure the dialogue was crystal clear. (I wouldn't be surprised if the length of this particular questline meant it wasn't playtested by many people in-house or on PTS.)


In the writer's defense, the map quest is designed along the same lines as the House of Orsimer Glories quest in Wrothgar, where likewise you can't complete all the exhibits until you get all but one of the pieces, at which point a questline unlocks and you get the final piece. At the time of Vvardenfell's launch, it probably made sense in terms of previous content (and also feels intuitive to players like me who did Orsinium first). Northern Elsweyr has a similar quest with the fragments of the mural - find all but the final piece, then quest for the last one. Complicating the matter is that some of the of Chapter and zone "fetch stuff" quests don't have a final quest attached, like Summerset and Southern Elsweyr.

Since ZOS intends for players to do quests in any order, this is an issue that ZOS should probably look at clarifying for future "fetch the pieces of X" quests, but unless they redub the voice actor's lines, I doubt the confusion around Vvardenfell will get addressed.

I get your point, but I am still confused as to how someone could possibly misinterpret the word "complete".

And you're right, there's not much point in arguing about it anymore, I mostly just came here to vent my frustration at having wasted several hours on an impossible search.

Now it's turned into one of those internet arguments where nobody is ever going to convince their opponents of anything, regardless of evidence or persuasiveness.

To me it's just blatantly obvious that the guy tells you in the first minute, complete the model, then find the library. Okay, fine, I will find the tombs to then unlock the library. Crystal clear and obvious, off I go to find all the tombs!

Oh well, what's done is done.

spartaxoxo

Dahveed wrote: »

It never says that the library is part of the model. It just says that the location of the library is missing, and that once I found all the tombs then the key would be revealed to open the library.

It doesn't but the entire task is revealing lost locations on the map by using the notes? So why wouldn't one location being missing from the notes not indicate there would also be one location missing from the map? That's how I interpreted it anyway, and probably most others given the lack of complaints over the years about the dialogue being unclear.

Like that's exactly how I thought it was gonna work, which is why I tracked my progress through the achievement tracker without needing to be told it was necessary to do so from the quest. I figured once I completed all of the tombs, then I'd find the final missing location. And so I kept track of the list in my journal.

Scardan

Dahveed wrote: »

Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game design.

No . Everything is clearly explained in the dialogue, which says, once you find all quest items, you will be pointed to ancestral tomb location. Obviously, it is last missing tile on the map ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

spartaxoxo

Scardan wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game design.

No . Everything is clearly explained in the dialogue, which says, once you find all quest items, you will be pointed to ancestral tomb location. Obviously, it is last missing tile on the map ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He thought the npc meant the model of Vvardenfell, not the model of the tombs in Vvardenfell. Which is actually unclear from the dialogue, because in context it makes sense to be the model of tombs he's sending you everywhere to get pieces but if you take the npc literally you may think it's the model of the entirety of Vvardenfell. A literal interpretation is a valid one. I personally didn't get the same confusion and have said as much, but now that he's explained what lead him to his conclusion, I think his complaint is quite valid.

Dahveed

Scardan wrote: »

Dahveed wrote: »

Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE game design.

No . Everything is clearly explained in the dialogue, which says, once you find all quest items, you will be pointed to ancestral tomb location. Obviously, it is last missing tile on the map ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

From one of the very first conversations you ever have with this guy:


(player) "You're building a model of Vvardenfell?

(NPC) "Indeed! And once complete, it will point us to the location of the lost Library of Andule."

The "once complete" part is pretty obvious to me. Not sure how anyone could miss that.

Re-read what he says carefully please. It is very, VERY obvious that he is telling me to complete the model, and ONCE COMPLETE, IT WILL POINT US OT THE LOCATION OF THE LOST LIBRARY."

Notice the word, "complete". He doesn't say, "once almost complete", or, "once complete except for one missing piece."

Thank you and have a nice day!