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Should healers be able to also equip a shield?
Vhozek
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I was thinking an aesthetic similar to Palutena from Kid Icarus but only if you're using a healing staff.
Explain your arguments for and against.
Explain your arguments for and against.
𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.
Should healers be able to also equip a shield? 68 votes
Yes pls
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No pls
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I don't care pls
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Xuhora✭✭✭✭✭Yes plsi voted yes since im not really getting my fix of the paladin theme from my templar.
sure it could work for RP purposes, but thats not my kind of boat. i would love beeing viable in End game content, and that just does not work neither as a tank nor as a DD nor as a healer with SnB.
from a general balancing standpoint i would argue that resto + shield does not provide a better game experience in PVP since healbots would get buffed through oblivion with that change i can imagine.0 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes plsI voted yes.
Although I think it was because I have images of WoW’s healing paladins in my head.1 -
Mitrenga✭✭✭✭✭I don't care plsI do not care frankly, but game is advertised as "play as you wish"...0
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Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No plsIf by "also" you mean in the same bar as the staff, no. That would require a bit of work since staves count as 2 at the moment and would break most 5/5/2 builds to some degree.
I assume that's what you meant since you already can equip a sword and one handed weapon on one bar and a resto on the other. If you mean balance it in such a way as to make it optimal, I doubt that can be done without breaking other parts of the game. You can heal with a sword n board now though. Its not optimal, but its not like it cant be done.
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭Yes plsThere should be a form of the passives from dual wield and 2H for 1H, where there are bonuses for choosing specific weapons to couple with shield. And, instead of going penetration for mace/hammer, there should be a benefit to heals or something? That way a paladin Type could be built. I’d think the other 1H could effect other defensive approaches, to keep in line with healer/tank, leaving DW and 2H for DPS.0
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xAarionx✭✭✭Yes plsI think it would be awesome, and another type of play style could be introduced
Giving e players the chance to play as a healer with one handed staffs, with some advantages and disadvantages of dual wielding it...
Edited by xAarionx on March 15, 2021 4:28PM0 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No plsStaff is a two-handed weapon and so couldn’t be paired with another, both because of set bonuses and skill lines. ZOS could introduce a one-hand magic weapon such as a scepter, focus or wand, but that would require additional skill lines (magic and melee, magic and shield — called something else of course, but you get the idea). I wouldn’t be against such being added, but I don’t see how it could be done without a lot of work.1 -
Faded✭✭✭✭✭No plsIt would be funny for a minute when the PVP community spontaneously combusted, though.2
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Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »You can
This^ you can and you have been able to for a long time. Actually since I can remember from thee old days....
Also just cast your restoration staffs HOTs and bar swap to SnB and cast you skills that heal....
Edited by Girl_Number8 on March 15, 2021 5:29PM4 -
majulook✭✭✭✭✭
✭No pls
Staffs are 2 handed weapons it took years for ZOS to change it so that a 2 handed weapons actually were counted as 2 items for slotted set benefits.
Now you want them to what go back to having them count as 1 item? Or what have them add a shield as a 3rd?
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✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »You can
This^ you can and you have been able to for a long time. Actually since I can remember from thee old days....
Also just cast your restoration staffs HOTs and bar swap to SnB and cast you skills that heal....
I actually have tried this for PvP just to see if it helped me be less of a target. It does, especially on my necro and warden healers, though not really needed on my templar. Not sure that now it would be as viable with the increased costs to block for light armour, but will probably test it again next time I do a BG. Never tried in in a trial or know /seen a single healer who has.0 -
amm7sb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »You can
This^ you can and you have been able to for a long time. Actually since I can remember from thee old days....
Also just cast your restoration staffs HOTs and bar swap to SnB and cast you skills that heal....
Yup. A guildie of mine used to run his trial healer with a sword & board back bar. He was a very capable healer.
Just because something isn't min / max optimized doesn't mean it's not viable. I have Dark Elf healers, Wood Elf tanks, tanks with resto staff back bars, DD's with resto staff back bars, and literally every single one of them is vet dungeon and vet trial worthy. Not everything has to be perfectly min / maxed.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In PVE? Sure, if you want, as long as you don't taunt anything you aren't willing to tank.
In PVP? Er, my healer already uses a shield.3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes plsI‘m here for it, but you can already do this with a workaround: use Mend Wounds from Psyjic, then your Heavy Attacks restore Magicka while you’re wearing a shield and onehand.
Sure, you can’t use Resto Staff skills, but for classes like Templar, Warden or Necromancer this wouldn’t be an issue. Is this meta? No. Is it doable? Absolutely.Edited by Seraphayel on March 15, 2021 11:01PMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
Vhozek✭✭✭✭✭
✭VaranisArano wrote: »In PVE? Sure, if you want, as long as you don't taunt anything you aren't willing to tank.
In PVP? Er, my healer already uses a shield.
You wouldn't be able to taunt.𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.0 -
jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »In PVE? Sure, if you want, as long as you don't taunt anything you aren't willing to tank.
In PVP? Er, my healer already uses a shield.
You wouldn't be able to taunt.
Note completely true, he could still use the Undaunted taunt.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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Bucky_13✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't care plsSshadowSscale wrote: »I mean why not just make a staff and shield skill line?
Make it a wand and shield skill line in that case, as 1h staves are very much not a thing, much like mauls. Wands I'd say, are the best 1h equivalent to staves.0 -
Xuhora✭✭✭✭✭Yes plsSshadowSscale wrote: »I mean why not just make a staff and shield skill line?
Make it a wand and shield skill line in that case, as 1h staves are very much not a thing, much like mauls. Wands I'd say, are the best 1h equivalent to staves.
and that right there bugs me out somehow, because i cannot remember one single animation with the staff that uses both hands? please give me an example if it exists, but even the stow/ready weapon uses both hands.0 -
VaxtinTheWolf✭✭✭✭✭and that right there bugs me out somehow, because i cannot remember one single animation with the staff that uses both hands? please give me an example if it exists, but even the stow/ready weapon uses both hands.
Blocking uses both hands. I'd prefer a magical barrier in the theme of the held staff to be manifested in your free hand instead when you block.|| AD - Rah'Jiin Lv50 Khajiit Nightblade (Damage) || EP - Generic Argonian Lv50 Argonian Nightblade (Tank) || DC - Zinkotsu Lv50 Breton Nightblade (Healer) ||
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✭Healers can equip shields.Royal Poet's Dungeon Tanking Guide https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416797/royal-poets-guide-to-traditional-tanking-in-veteran-dungeons#latest0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »In PVE? Sure, if you want, as long as you don't taunt anything you aren't willing to tank.
In PVP? Er, my healer already uses a shield.
You wouldn't be able to taunt.
I've had DDs using 1hand&Shield, happily using Puncture on the Boss. After one warning, it's "You taunt it, you tank it."
Now, you seem to be envisioning a whole new skill line that I guess wouldn't have a taunt, but the point I was making is that you can use a shield now if you want. My PVP healer already does for the extra defense.1 -
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✭My healers does. Mace and shield 🛡 in PvP.Main: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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Grandchamp1989✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No plsI belive we already have those.. They're called Tanks.
You can easily make a healer tank. Alter, Olorime backbar, energy orb, Winter's Respite if you like.. Earthgore monster.2 -
BXR_Lonestar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Grandchamp1989 wrote: »I belive we already have those.. They're called Tanks.
You can easily make a healer tank. Alter, Olorime backbar, energy orb, Winter's Respite if you like.. Earthgore monster.
I run Spell Power Cure + Ebon + Earth Gore on mine. I swap Ebon out for Kragenacs when Offtanking certain content. That will be even more useful now with the CP allowing you to revive faster too. Haven't found any other heavy armor sets that provide good group support that I can proc regularly as an Offtank, but I can basically run anything in that slot. SPC is easier to proc and keep up during 4 man content running 3 dps 1 tank format.0