ZOS, where are the Nighthollow and Wayward Guardian Motifs?

Wing

following annoying motif logic the markarth motifs should have been added to the loot tables this update.

they have not

so what gives?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Dark_Lord_Kuro

Wing wrote: »

following annoying motif logic the markarth motifs should have been added to the loot tables this update.

they have not

so what gives?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Most dlc have motif(s) that are released in the following dlc patch

Since Summerset new motif release are spread out trough the quarter with the last one around/during the next dlc pts, most of the time as a one per month basis around the 20th of the month

My guess one in april the other in may

SickleCider

This cycle with the motifs really does get me. By the time a motif finally gets released I kind of don't care anymore. Sigh!

colossalvoids

Versispellis wrote: »

This cycle with the motifs really does get me. By the time a motif finally gets released I kind of don't care anymore. Sigh!

Same deal, on paper it should prolong how much we're playing said content but it doesn't really works like that for the most people I know, we just doesn't care if it's not something potent to be rare or expensive like some dlc chest pieces etc.

FaceDancer

Those motifs are in this patch then must go live in the next month's

DreadDaedroth

It was better when everything was released at once with the dlc instead of months and months of nothing for a couple of motives.

tomofhyrule

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

MasterSpatula

Agreed. Delaying them this long is just preposterous.

trackdemon5512

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Agreed. Delaying them this long is just preposterous.

Motifs are the primary reason for DLC zone engagement. Clockwork City was the last time that motifs were all released with the zone. What did we see happen? Engagement was fantastic around the time of release and then it dropped off completely with few players coming back. Those who didn't get the DLC at launch often came into a dead zone.

Spreading out the motifs encourages continued engagement with the DLC. With dungeons you have the initial release boom and another when the motifs drop. It's an excellent system to keep all players engaged with newer ones seeing full areas and content and older players not leaving the game immediately after each DLC update.

Wing

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Agreed. Delaying them this long is just preposterous.

Motifs are the primary reason for DLC zone engagement. Clockwork City was the last time that motifs were all released with the zone. What did we see happen? Engagement was fantastic around the time of release and then it dropped off completely with few players coming back. Those who didn't get the DLC at launch often came into a dead zone.

Spreading out the motifs encourages continued engagement with the DLC. With dungeons you have the initial release boom and another when the motifs drop. It's an excellent system to keep all players engaged with newer ones seeing full areas and content and older players not leaving the game immediately after each DLC update.

no, content and additions are the main reason for DLC engagement.

of course engagement is going to be great and then fall off, thats literally how content and DLC works.


there is no reason to delay motifs in DLC, because the purchase is already there, ZOS does not make MORE money by giving you some content months later, you either bought the DLC or not.

Nord_Raseri

Wasn't there something about wayward guardian motif in final patch notes?

Edit: Patch notes v6.3.5 > Markarth > Exploration and Itemization > "Fixed several typos in the Wayward Guardian motif books".

katanagirl1

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

akredon_ESO

yeah ima need them to hurry up and release these Motifs, like man cmon the freakin nighthallow looks like some Crazy ebon armor set from darks our, kinda has a Dancer of the boreal valley vibe or something, regardless of the Artistic inspiration....


I NEEEDZ IT GEMME IT PRECIOUS !!!

tsaescishoeshiner

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

I've gotten plenty of the new mats from deconning as of Update 29. Wayward Guardian's is called Hawk Skull, I forget the name of the Nighthollow one

freespirit

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

Do you have crafting maxed and points in the cp star @katanagirl1 ? I'm getting style mats for both styles.

Nord_Raseri

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

I've gotten plenty of the new mats from deconning as of Update 29. Wayward Guardian's is called Hawk Skull, I forget the name of the Nighthollow one

freespirit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

Do you have crafting maxed and points in the cp star @katanagirl1 ? I'm getting style mats for both styles.

At the time that comment was posted, ps4 did not yet have u29.

ArchMikem

Be like me and suffer knowing you have to wait till Summer if not this coming Fall just to wear a nice Imperial Skirt from the Leyawiin guards style.

Starlock

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Agreed. Delaying them this long is just preposterous.

It's also just confusing. How is the customer supposed to keep track of this? It's not told to us anywhere in the actual game. We purchase this content, but don't have access to it until some undisclosed date. There's also apparently hidden cooldowns on drop rates we aren't told about. For content we already paid for.

Customer - "I'd like to order a cheeseburger and a large fry, ma'am!"

Retailer - "Yes, that'll be $5.14"

The customer pays the agreed upon amount and after a short while, is handed their food. However, upon inspecting their food they find the cheese is missing from the cheeseburger

Customer - "I'm sorry, I ordered a cheeseburger. I think there's been a mistake."

Retailer - "No mistake, you have to wait two weeks for the cheese to release. At that time we'll give you the chance to earn your cheese for free."

Customer - "But... what? The food will be cold by then? And what's this about having a chance to earn my cheese?"

Retailer - "McBurger believes that delayed release of cheese and making you work for it increases the value and longevity of our products."

spartaxoxo

Wing wrote: »

trackdemon5512 wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Agreed. Delaying them this long is just preposterous.

Motifs are the primary reason for DLC zone engagement. Clockwork City was the last time that motifs were all released with the zone. What did we see happen? Engagement was fantastic around the time of release and then it dropped off completely with few players coming back. Those who didn't get the DLC at launch often came into a dead zone.

Spreading out the motifs encourages continued engagement with the DLC. With dungeons you have the initial release boom and another when the motifs drop. It's an excellent system to keep all players engaged with newer ones seeing full areas and content and older players not leaving the game immediately after each DLC update.

no, content and additions are the main reason for DLC engagement.

of course engagement is going to be great and then fall off, thats literally how content and DLC works.


there is no reason to delay motifs in DLC, because the purchase is already there, ZOS does not make MORE money by giving you some content months later, you either bought the DLC or not.

Despite what people seem to think, not every single thing a company does is about immediate profit. Sometimes they have other goals in the short-term that they hope will lead to a more stable and profitable product in the long run. One of those things for a video game is doing things for player retention. Player retention means doing things to keep players happy so they keep playing the game. And happy players leads to happy customers, hopefully.

Not everyone buys the DLC when it first comes out. Some wait for sales, others joined after it was released already, etc. Lots of reasons why that may be the case.

Adding reasons for people who bought and consumed the dlc on release to return after they already finished gives those late comers people to play with and makes the zone more alive. And having people to play with makes it more likely that the latecomer will have an enjoyable experience and stick with the game, thus allowing ZOS to retain that customer.

That's the reason they do things like this.

katanagirl1

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

I've gotten plenty of the new mats from deconning as of Update 29. Wayward Guardian's is called Hawk Skull, I forget the name of the Nighthollow one

freespirit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

Do you have crafting maxed and points in the cp star @katanagirl1 ? I'm getting style mats for both styles.

At the time that comment was posted, ps4 did not yet have u29.

Yes, we just got U29 this week. Still not getting any decon style mats for Wayward Guardian gear and didn’t get any motifs either. Is it possible now?

magnusthorek

*facepalm*

I've been re-doing this content for nothing all these days. I feel so stupid, right now... XD

Dalsinthus

The delay is so absurd. A short delay to incentivize people to come back or keep playing? OK fine. But it has been 137 days since Markarth released. 4.5 months! And the motifs are still not in game, just the style materials. We have new dungeons now, new events to run, a new CP system to explore and grind, new sets to farm, and Cyrodiil refreshed by the new CP and no proc limits. I literally have every achievement for the Markarth DLC, all the perfected vatashran weapons, etc. It seems really strange to go back and farm some more there when we're looking ahead to Gates of Oblivion.

Nord_Raseri

katanagirl1 wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

I've gotten plenty of the new mats from deconning as of Update 29. Wayward Guardian's is called Hawk Skull, I forget the name of the Nighthollow one

freespirit wrote: »

katanagirl1 wrote: »

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Motifs always are released over time. You can already decon Wayward Guardian and Nighthollow gear for the style mats, but the motifs will not come for a bit.

I expect one will be in the showcase (and made available in game) next month, and then the other the month after that.

No, I get nothing from deconning these items.

Do you have crafting maxed and points in the cp star @katanagirl1 ? I'm getting style mats for both styles.

At the time that comment was posted, ps4 did not yet have u29.

Yes, we just got U29 this week. Still not getting any decon style mats for Wayward Guardian gear and didn’t get any motifs either. Is it possible now?

I actually don't know. I am on ps4 myself and have yet to go to markarth

katanagirl1

Yeah I got some style mat today from deconning Wayward Guardian gear today but still no motifs.

Didn’t someone here say before that style mats are obtained when motifs drop? I feel robbed from hundreds of deconned gear that are no better than generic pieces as far as I’m concerned.

Thavie

So, had anyone seen the Wayward Guardian motif yet? For me, it doesn't drop and I couldn't find it through Tamriel Trading Centre

tomofhyrule

Thavie wrote: »

So, had anyone seen the Wayward Guardian motif yet? For me, it doesn't drop and I couldn't find it through Tamriel Trading Centre

They're dropping. I had such wonderful luck to get only two motifs so far, and both were the same one

I did grind a few characters worth of Wayward dailies during the anniversary but I didn't open the boxes until the motif started dropping. It's slow going if you only get one a day, so it gave me a few extra chances.

Also I know a lot of the old motifs had an unwritten cooldown, so once I get a motif on any one character, I don't open any more boxes until the same time the next day. I don't know if the cooldown's there, but better safe than sorry.

TTC may take a week or so to update, but they are already on traders. I know most of them are well above 100k since they're new.

Thavie

tomofhyrule wrote: »

Thavie wrote: »

So, had anyone seen the Wayward Guardian motif yet? For me, it doesn't drop and I couldn't find it through Tamriel Trading Centre

They're dropping. I had such wonderful luck to get only two motifs so far, and both were the same one

I did grind a few characters worth of Wayward dailies during the anniversary but I didn't open the boxes until the motif started dropping. It's slow going if you only get one a day, so it gave me a few extra chances.

Also I know a lot of the old motifs had an unwritten cooldown, so once I get a motif on any one character, I don't open any more boxes until the same time the next day. I don't know if the cooldown's there, but better safe than sorry.

TTC may take a week or so to update, but they are already on traders. I know most of them are well above 100k since they're new.

Thanks, I'll keep looking then!

Qyrk

Thavie wrote: »

So, had anyone seen the Wayward Guardian motif yet? For me, it doesn't drop and I couldn't find it through Tamriel Trading Centre

TTC takes one or few days to have it on the database. It’s dropping, I just 3 (not 6)so far from 4 characters doing dailies

B0SSzombie

So what are the theories for Nighthollow's upcoming source? Markarth Harrowstorms or maybe Harrowstorm Dailies? Random Vampire loot? Treasure Chest loot?

jaws343

B0SSzombie wrote: »

So what are the theories for Nighthollow's upcoming source? Markarth Harrowstorms or maybe Harrowstorm Dailies? Random Vampire loot? Treasure Chest loot?

The Achievement description in the Markarth section of the journal for the motif lists the source as Markarth Harrowstorm dailies.

B0SSzombie

jaws343 wrote: »

B0SSzombie wrote: »

So what are the theories for Nighthollow's upcoming source? Markarth Harrowstorms or maybe Harrowstorm Dailies? Random Vampire loot? Treasure Chest loot?

The Achievement description in the Markarth section of the journal for the motif lists the source as Markarth Harrowstorm dailies.

Oh cool, totally missed that.