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Magicka DragonKnight
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On PC NA feels great so far..but this still doesn't take away the fact,that I want my original wings back though.
Edited by regime211 on March 14, 2021 9:47PM 4
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✭Imagine how Stamina Dragonknights feel, at least you guys can breath fire and scorch your foes with whips and blades of flame, we just get dirty fingernails and the ability to cough on people. Cauterize/Burning Embers aren't amazing but they do at least provide some sustain, I'm not even sure Stamina DK HAS a single heal... Would definitely be nice to see DK make a comeback but sadly I don't think it's in our future, Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention, DK has mostly just been relegated to a tank class and hardly anyone plays tank so...Edited by Sangwyne on March 13, 2021 8:23AM6 -
madman65✭✭✭✭Use Elf Bane, if you have any sustain problems that set will give you some extra time to throw some heavy attacks to help with recovery.0 -
Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
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Josira✭✭✭✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
It’s more stam weapons synchronising well with both paid classes.
Mag necro is...painful to play and I would consider the weakest of all classes, and changes to ani canceling made mag wardens even more clunky then they where before.
Edited by Josira on March 13, 2021 1:27PM"BlooD FReNZy TicKS aLL thE BoXes of WhaT iT mEanS tO bE a VaMpiRe"2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
“bUt nEcrO oP aAAaaaH”-person who has never played magicka necro and thinks only stam necromancers and stam wardens exist.
Imagine thinking magcro is bad, even during no proc Cyrodiil hahahah3 -
Josira✭✭✭✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
“bUt nEcrO oP aAAaaaH”-person who has never played magicka necro and thinks only stam necromancers and stam wardens exist.
Imagine thinking magcro is bad, even during no proc Cyrodiil hahahah
Edited my previous comment for..obvious reasons but please sir,oh mighty necromancer main,how is it played?what sets do run? How many hours have you had with the class?
Forgive my skepticism but it sounds like you got killed once by someone with the 1-2 good pvp builds for said class..which doesn’t make it a good one,rather a class lacking build diversity.
That or you got killed by a stamina one. And can’t tell that green=stam.....or you haven’t located your dodge key,among other things.
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Josira✭✭✭✭On PC NA feels great so far..but this still doesn't take away the fact,that I want my original wings back again though.
Man I miss my wings..
Would love them back too. It made dragonknights a big threat to pure ranged builds.
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Bradyfjord✭✭✭✭✭I wish we had a morph to help with sustain. For example, give morphs for inhale that give tradeoffs between health or resources. Then each dk could work out what they need based on their situation. It would work for tanks anyway.0 -
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✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
Warden/Necro normally go for 1500 crowns though, and where exactly are you getting Crowns for 100 each? They're more like 250, which means that to get both DLC classes you'd have to either buy 30 dollars worth of crowns or save up 750k gold, no small sum. Like it or not, Warden and Necro are cash cows for ZOS; they make the classes strong and people flock to play them. Mag Necro has been the strongest PvE DPS in trials for a while now, even after the Colossus nerfs, and everyone knows how busted Stamden is in PvP, and yet they haven't balanced them to the level of the other classes. Why do you think that is?0 -
Nagastani✭✭✭✭There was never any reason to take away the DK Wings to begin with.
However, respectfully, I completely agree with everyone asking to have DK Wings restored.2 -
Nagastani✭✭✭✭Imagine how Stamina Dragonknights feel, at least you guys can breath fire and scorch your foes with whips and blades of flame, we just get dirty fingernails and the ability to cough on people. Cauterize/Burning Embers aren't amazing but they do at least provide some sustain, I'm not even sure Stamina DK HAS a single heal... Would definitely be nice to see DK make a comeback but sadly I don't think it's in our future, Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention, DK has mostly just been relegated to a tank class and hardly anyone plays tank so...
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I kind of think that the base skill should be based of magicka,and scale from spell damage,the magicka morph getting...I forgot what the additional effect was I...havent logged in since the pts...I should know the ability though I main Mag Dk and Mag Necro lol
But back on topic,green dragonblood would be good for a stam morph.
problem is that stam dragonights are already pretty tanky last I checked. but...also...stam morph gives more variety in abilities,and to be honest, I would love to see more build variety.
Whip on the other hand....both morphs are used by magicka. And while I would love a stam spamable for dk's...please no touch my damage morph whip. I love it too much,and its such a nice,yet risky change from the other healing one. and it still has the cool spin animation.
Really though they should of made stonefist an actual punch. a big punch or uppercut with a fist made of stone. not..whatever it is now.
Also while they are at it could they make searing strike and its morph an actual claw strike instead of a slap? that would fix a major grievance I have with vampires too!
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Stahlor✭✭✭✭✭...and where exactly are you getting Crowns for 100 each?
...and everyone knows how busted Stamden is in PvP, and yet they haven't balanced them to the level of the other classes..
XBox EU, this is the exchange rate and I wrote, that it was on sale for ~1000 crowns during last event.
Warden is good in pvp, but nobody wants them in pve except of a healer or tank. Sorc e.g. was always good in pvp and pve, even as a tank, and has never seen the end of the ranking. Just have a look here in the forum how many pvpers are complaining about sorcs this patch.
Necros are only needed for their ultimate in trials. Otherwise it's an extremely clunky class to play, where you have to beg most of the time, that your skills are working properly.
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TheForFeeF✭✭✭Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
It’s more stam weapons synchronising well with both paid classes.
Mag necro is...painful to play and I would consider the weakest of all classes, and changes to ani canceling made mag wardens even more clunky then they where before.
I'm trying to understand how it is the weakest of all the classes...
Magsorc and Magblade are definitely better, but I would put Magcro above Magplar, MagDK, and Magden.
Althought, MagDK is getting a lot of hype at the moment, so this could change.0 -
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✭✭On PC NA feels great so far..but this still doesn't take away the fact,that I want my original wings back though.
The original wings was the most overpowered skill that has ever been in the game. I remember not being able to hit DKs with anything but Curse, Mages Fury and Streak. My magsorc was running S&B for the double reflect just to hit DKs with Cfrags.
Dont get me wrong, wings should be a useful skill but the original skill was simply broken OP against ranged builds.PC - EU (AD)Septimus Mezar - Altmer Sorcerer
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Josira✭✭✭✭TheForFeeF wrote: »Warden and Necro are the DLC classes and the ones that make the big bucks, so they're the ones that will get the attention...
Come on - warden was just on sale for ~1000 crowns. I guess most of the people spend much more money on useless sh*t from the crown store. You could even get the class gifted for ~100000 ingame gold.
These pay2win arguments are lame, especially because sorc always has been a strong class and is it again.
It’s more stam weapons synchronising well with both paid classes.
Mag necro is...painful to play and I would consider the weakest of all classes, and changes to ani canceling made mag wardens even more clunky then they where before.
I'm trying to understand how it is the weakest of all the classes...
Magsorc and Magblade are definitely better, but I would put Magcro above Magplar, MagDK, and Magden.
Althought, MagDK is getting a lot of hype at the moment, so this could change.
I main both MagDk and Mag Necro, Mag Necro can work..sometimes. if your lucky. as pure healers and support builds they outshine others in pvp. as dps? no. they dont. at all. maybe that has changed in the latest patch,but with 2(Viable) offensive skills,I doubt it. They synchronize well with vateshran staff. and the collossus will give them added tankiness on a proc build. but you will get better mileage using a magdk or magwarden with the same build.
When I try and find if a class is 'good' (in my eyes at least,) I check 'can this class kill a player that knows what they are doing with 2 stat boosting sets and a monster set?' Note that most of my experience is before flames of ambition(actually more before The Reach dlc),and before the proc ban,but I found that Mag Dk,Mag Sorc(of course) and Mag Warden both would pass,Magblade and Magcro did not pass/could not kill people that knew what they where doing without aid from others,or procs like caulrunes.
I did however,have better success with a magblade then a magnecro when using procs and stuff like alchemists.
I never tested Mag Temp,but from what Ive heard from those that played them,they likely wouldnt pass the test either.
These sets are usually either Alfiq's,Bright Throats or necropotance,paired with Destruction Mastery,or bright throats boast + monster set. destro resto mag builds. standard max magicka setups and pre flames of ambition...actually pre reach too with a fair few of these classes.
The thing is,if a class only does well because of 1-5 builds,then its not a good class.
Mag Necro and Mag Blade are the big offenders there. maybe Mag-Temps too but I only played them years ago and they changed so much I didnt bother playing them when I moved to Pc so I cant say for sure there.
Tldr: as a support class or using the 1-2 'good' builds for it? no. its not the worst. trying to run anything off meta for pvp dps compaired to other off meta class builds? yes.
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I kind of think that the base skill should be based of magicka,and scale from spell damage,the magicka morph getting...I forgot what the additional effect was I...havent logged in since the pts...I should know the ability though I main Mag Dk and Mag Necro lol
But back on topic,green dragonblood would be good for a stam morph.
problem is that stam dragonights are already pretty tanky last I checked. but...also...stam morph gives more variety in abilities,and to be honest, I would love to see more build variety.
Whip on the other hand....both morphs are used by magicka. And while I would love a stam spamable for dk's...please no touch my damage morph whip. I love it too much,and its such a nice,yet risky change from the other healing one. and it still has the cool spin animation.
Really though they should of made stonefist an actual punch. a big punch or uppercut with a fist made of stone. not..whatever it is now.
Also while they are at it could they make searing strike and its morph an actual claw strike instead of a slap? that would fix a major grievance I have with vampires too!
They need to make green dragon blood use stam, and WHAT they really need to do is stop being lazy and update these classes on what abilities should scale off of what!0 -
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✭Septimus_Magna wrote: »On PC NA feels great so far..but this still doesn't take away the fact,that I want my original wings back though.
The original wings was the most overpowered skill that has ever been in the game. I remember not being able to hit DKs with anything but Curse, Mages Fury and Streak. My magsorc was running S&B for the double reflect just to hit DKs with Cfrags.
Dont get me wrong, wings should be a useful skill but the original skill was simply broken OP against ranged builds.
So it's ok for us to just take constant pressure from longe range damage? And have a class abilities neutered because people couldn't just learn other ways to kill a DK? I have seen many dragonknights still be cleaned out.3
