Is it yet feasible to use Melee Weapons as a Vampire?

JMadFour

Or are we still basically forced to staffy staff staff it up?

I heard that Melee weapons LA/HA scale off of your highest stat now...but they still only generate Stamina on Heavy Attacks right?

amm7sb14_ESO

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

JMadFour

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

Interesting.

But how would I regenerate Magicka if I am using melee weapons? That's always been my main concern in regards to this. Particularly as a Vampire NB which is typically more Magicka-centered.

FaylenSol

I don't think we're going to have a way for melee magicka builds to be viable until Zenimax introduces either a set effect that makes it so heavy attacks restore the opposite of what they normally do or introduce a new weapon skill line like Spellblade that is a melee magicka based skill line.

The latest update made melee magicka builds less awful, but they are still pretty awful to try and use.

Firstmep

JMadFour wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

Interesting.

But how would I regenerate Magicka if I am using melee weapons? That's always been my main concern in regards to this. Particularly as a Vampire NB which is typically more Magicka-centered.

You can have a staff as a backbar weapon?

Recapitated

Depends how good you want to be? DW front staff back is better now in some fights. You can probably get away with it on both bars if you don't mind working harder for less DPS.

Darkstorne

JMadFour wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

Interesting.

But how would I regenerate Magicka if I am using melee weapons? That's always been my main concern in regards to this. Particularly as a Vampire NB which is typically more Magicka-centered.

Heavy attacks aren't the only method. You can use the Equilibrium skill from the Mage's Guild line; you can build for a high magicka regen character; you can use sets that restore magicka on certain conditions (Desert Rose, Magicka Furnace, Overwhelming Surge, Vestments of the Warlock etc); or you can backbar a staff if you really like heavy attacks for regen.

You might want to look into hybrid builds to get even more use out of your melee weapon, and at that point you can look into the mythic item Torc of Tonal Constancy for almost unlimited resources, and/or the Pelinal's Aptitude set. Don't listen to anyone saying hybrids are trash. They might not be meta, but they're still capable of clearing trials if built and played well, and most importantly... they're a lot of fun to play

JMadFour

Darkstorne wrote: »

JMadFour wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

Interesting.

But how would I regenerate Magicka if I am using melee weapons? That's always been my main concern in regards to this. Particularly as a Vampire NB which is typically more Magicka-centered.

Heavy attacks aren't the only method. You can use the Equilibrium skill from the Mage's Guild line; you can build for a high magicka regen character; you can use sets that restore magicka on certain conditions (Desert Rose, Magicka Furnace, Overwhelming Surge, Vestments of the Warlock etc); or you can backbar a staff if you really like heavy attacks for regen.

You might want to look into hybrid builds to get even more use out of your melee weapon, and at that point you can look into the mythic item Torc of Tonal Constancy for almost unlimited resources, and/or the Pelinal's Aptitude set. Don't listen to anyone saying hybrids are trash. They might not be meta, but they're still capable of clearing trials if built and played well, and most importantly... they're a lot of fun to play

I'll look into these sets.

bleh, I really gotta get to work on finding these Mage Guild books.

A dual sword (or dual dagger) NB Vampire is a really appealing concept if I can make it work.

amm7sb14_ESO

JMadFour wrote: »

amm7sb14_ESO wrote: »

Sure, I think it always was, considering that vampire buffs both magic and weapon damage.

Interesting.

But how would I regenerate Magicka if I am using melee weapons? That's always been my main concern in regards to this. Particularly as a Vampire NB which is typically more Magicka-centered.

I'd imagine that if you're running a melee build, you'd be stamina.

But if not, as someone said, a staff back bar. You could put magicka restore glyphs on your weapons.

What is your build? Are you all magicka and wanting to use a melee weapon? If so, it probably wouldn't be any different than any other magicka build using melee. It's not going to be the ideal setup either way. Not that I'm discouraging it; I am all about builds that don't follow meta.

If you are talking about a stam melee build, then you would use vampire the same way you'd use any stam build. The buffs increase weapon and spell damage, so vamp would benefit stam as well as magicka.

If you're talking about a magicka build that uses melee weapons, then it would be the same as any non-vamp build that does the same. Staff back bar (possibly a resto since it restores more magicka than a destro), and possibly mag recovery glyphs on your melee weapons.

WabanakiWarrior

A vamp mag build that doesn't use staves is totally possible. I just met one in IC the other day. Magplar running 2 hander/sword and shield and the vamp ult. He hit like a truck and had mist to escape. Not sure how he was sustaining, probably Eternal Vigor, but there are other sets too.
But that was in pvp. Plenty of things are possible in pvp that aren't very effective in pve

WhereArtThouVampires

JMadFour wrote: »

Or are we still basically forced to staffy staff staff it up?

I heard that Melee weapons LA/HA scale off of your highest stat now...but they still only generate Stamina on Heavy Attacks right?

No, I would absolutely not advise using melee weapons as a vampire. I wouldn't even advise being a vampire to begin with atm, to be honest.

If you're playing PvP you might be able to get something to work, but in PvE you'd literally be trolling.

Tigertron

I am a melee vampire. I only use the passives and the ult but the other stuff is there if I have a need. Undeath has saved me a few times and I love the invis. I used to drop to stage 1 for dungeons and trials but it’s not worth the effort. Now with my huge magika pool I can actually cast some of the skills.

I do think the above comment about sets or weapons for vampire has merit.

ZOS are you listening?

Make a armor set with a 5 piece bonus or a 2 piece weapon set for stam vampire and give us stamina melee a reason to be vamp other than RP and invis.