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What ESO race got the -weakest- racial bonuses in this patch?

Grandchamp1989
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What race offers the least currently with the FoA patch?

What ESO race got the -weakest- racial bonuses in this patch? 175 votes

Argonian
35%
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Breton
4%
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Orc
0%
Nord
18%
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High Elf
1%
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Dark Elf
2%
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Woof Elf
5%
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Imperial
1%
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Khajiit
1%
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Redguard
28%
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  • catnamedwill
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    Redguard
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.
  • danno8
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    Breton
    Breton and Redguard. My two mains for the last 7 years. 😭
  • Ascarl
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    Argonian
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    IMHO they are close. The main problem with Argonian IMHO (I don t have any) is that their racial even before patch was only worth it when using potions on cooldown. No the bang the buck ratio has become meh. Reguard racial while being meh as well is not relying on stuff like using potions.
  • BlueRaven
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    Argonian
    Argonian.

    That’s not to say that all of the other races are fine though. Redguard and Nords need help, and Bosmers need their stealth back.
    Edited by BlueRaven on March 12, 2021 1:17PM
  • Nyladreas
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    Redguard
    Redguard seems like complete trash to me this patch. I already changed two of my redguards because it was pain compared to my khajiit. 😢

    Argonian also got the crap end of the stick but I'm never changing that. I just love that character so much.

    Also, who the F picked khajiit... It's one of the strongest races this patch lol.

    Edited by Nyladreas on March 12, 2021 1:21PM
  • Bodycounter
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    Nord
    In my opinion the Nords. They are basically the same as Orc but worse in every aspect except 500 more stamina. At this point Orcs are better healers, better damage dealers (both stamina and magicka) and better tanks.

    The Nords are followed by Argonians and Redguards. The maximum ressources of Agoninans are actually pretty nice, increased swim speed is fitting and the potion passive - it should not have been nerfed though - is nice. Only the increased healing is completely underwhelming. Redguards make pretty good tanks this patch because of their buffed sustain. They are pretty much the worst damage dealers (stamina is average) and healers in the game though.
  • Sangwyne
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    Nord
    I think it's a pretty close tier between Argonians and Nords at the bottom; Argonians do have Tri-stat resources now, and their sustain passive could be construed as similar to prismatic recovery, so if you consider the bonuses individually rather than as 50% more like Triune or Tri-stat, they are around the middle in terms of racial passive value, but the issue is that having a bunch of random stats all over the place doesn't actually make them good at any one thing in particular. Nords have the opposite issue, where they aren't even good at the one thing they were intended for despite all their relevant bonuses being in that area; Imperial for instance has more health, more damage, more sustain, and about the same ultimate uptime. So I'd probably have to say Nord, although I agree our Argonian allies across the pond swamp need some love too.
  • ValueDrift
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    Argonian
    Not only are Argonian's abilities bad, they cost gold. If you're not using potions on cooldown, you're not getting even the bad sustain bonus.
  • Sangwyne
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    Nord
    It's pretty telling that there's been dozens of posts talking about the recent change to racials, asking which races are now better/worse in comparison, or requesting race change tokens, and yet ZOS has been completely silent on this the entire time. I guess their hope is that we'll eventually forget about it and just resign ourselves to forking over several thousand Crowns to change each of our characters. Would have been nice to at least have a sale or something, some lube would have been appreciated.
    Edited by Sangwyne on March 12, 2021 9:59PM
  • Araneae6537
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    Redguard
    Maybe a tie between Argonian and Redguard, depending on how you want to play.
  • Kurat
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    Argonian
    Redguard is in slightly better spot than Argonian. They have 2k max stam vs Argonian 1k max either mag or stam. Only 1 helps your dps. Also Redguard sustain is better and theres no condition to it like potion consumption required.
    Nord is also bad for dps but at least they are more tanky and regen ulti faster.
    So Argonian is the absolute bottom when it comes to dps.
  • Ratzkifal
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    Redguard
    Depending on what you look at Nord, Argonian and Redguard are the weakest races.

    Nord and Argonian have the weakest dps out of all of them, but at least Nords are very good tanks and Argonians are very good healers and decent tanks.

    Out of all the roles it's Redguard because they are supposed to be a dps race but don't play in the same league for stam dps as Altmer (yes, Altmer), Dunmer, Orc, or Khajiit. Bosmer are ahead of them but not as far as the other four. Imperials are behind them still in dps but not by much, but Imperials are also much better tanks than Redguards and have better dps than Nords or Argonians. Redguards are just good at being dps and don't have as much to offer for the tank role as other tank races and have nothing to offer the healer role other than 8% cheaper restoration staff skills, which will be realistically only be 3/10 of your skills at most.
    Edited by Ratzkifal on March 13, 2021 1:08AM
    This Bosmer was tortured to death. There is nothing left to be done.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Argonian
    Argonian or Redguard. But out of those two, most likely Argonian.
  • Cundu_Ertur
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    Argonian
    Since the game still has no Bosmer in it, they can't be the worst off (except for the whole not even existing in the game part). Argonians have at least returned to the game after being missing for a couple of years (having been replaced by Argonian shaped things that were vulnerable to poisons during the hiatus), but have come back just in time to be probably the weakest race in the game. Redguards have valid reasons to complain, as well.
    Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.
  • Lumenn
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    Argonian
    Argonian all the way. As had been said above, redguard may be bad, but we have to spend gold to be bad.
  • phaneub17_ESO
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    I'm a little curious why Orc Stamina got brought down from 2000 to 1000, all other races that have similar passives are either around 2000 or paired with a secondary bonus.
  • Castagere
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    Redguard
    Redguards always seem to get ignored by the Dev team. They are supposed to be the martial experts of all the races yet non of their passive reflect this. They should have bonuses to all melee weapons. And why don't they have dual weld as a bonus? Why did the dark elves get this? At least give them bonuses to bladed weapons.
  • Starlight_Whisper
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    Redguard
    Redguard

    They are good at nothing now
    Edited by Starlight_Whisper on March 13, 2021 3:49AM
  • StarOfElyon
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    Redguard
    I will say Redguard only because I haven't had a chance to test out their new passives on console. If there isn't a huge improvement in sustain over the past patch, I'll be more sure that they got the short end of the stick.

    But honestly, I think Redguards are a little slept-on as a magicka race in PVP. Mine is a hybrid. I mean, that stamina sustain and weapon skill cost reduction comes in handy!
    Edited by StarOfElyon on March 13, 2021 3:55AM
  • Snowstrider
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    Nord
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    Redguards are great tanks :) their stamina return is awesome
  • JobooAGS
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    Redguard
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    Redguards are great tanks :) their stamina return is awesome

    2 problems with this:

    1. Lore: redguards aren’t supposed to be tanks. They are supposed to be weapon masters who are scouts and skirmishers even going as far to be unmatched in guerrilla warfare. Being a rank and file solider (tank) is the exception, not the rule.
    2. In game: Imperial and even nord are considered to be better tanks (though nord could still use a slight buff) ult gen is still overall a better passive to have and the imperial’s cost reduction applies to everything including block, break free, dodge and etc
  • hands0medevil
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    Nord
    Nords have first racial skill for two-handed swords, which can suggest they are designed to be DDs, but their all other racials are more tanks friendly. Orc have first racial skill for heavy armor, which can suggest they are designed to be tanks, but all other passives make them DDs. It's bit confusing, strange and inconsistent especially for casual gamers, who might try more endgame content later. After ZoS U29 we have 1 BiS race for DD in each alliance (Orc, Altmer, Dunmer). We have MEH races (Redguard, Nord, Argonian). Sadly, two pointless races are in EP.
  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    Argonian
    Lumenn wrote: »
    Argonian all the way. As had been said above, redguard may be bad, but we have to spend gold to be bad.
    Exactly. Redguard at least has a use-case, as it is focused on stamina. And sure, they are not good in terms of racial passives, but at least they can be used and are more or less viable option.
    Argonian on the other hand does not have any clear benefit. If they did not changed potion passive and leave it at 4000 then it would be different story. Besides, this potion passive is now affected by Battle Spirit, so if previously Argonian was a decent choice for a PvP build - it is no longer the case.
  • Nord_Raseri
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    Nord
    Nords have first racial skill for two-handed swords, which can suggest they are designed to be DDs, but their all other racials are more tanks friendly. Orc have first racial skill for heavy armor, which can suggest they are designed to be tanks, but all other passives make them DDs. It's bit confusing, strange and inconsistent especially for casual gamers, who might try more endgame content later. After ZoS U29 we have 1 BiS race for DD in each alliance (Orc, Altmer, Dunmer). We have MEH races (Redguard, Nord, Argonian). Sadly, two pointless races are in EP.

    Most previous TES games put Nords as barbarian/fighter race and orcs as tanky/heavy armor/fighter race. So it is definitely flipped in ESO.
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  • ArchMikem
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    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    People liking Redguards as a people is a real reason.
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  • JobooAGS
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    Redguard
    ArchMikem wrote: »
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    People liking Redguards as a people is a real reason.

    I think what he means is other than rp, there is no “real reason”
  • magnusthorek
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    My tank is a Redguard. RIP Khalisah al-Jilani, shouldn't have punched you that much
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  • stevenyaub16_ESO
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    My tank is a Redguard. RIP Khalisah al-Jilani, shouldn't have punched you that much

    ??? Redguard is best tank this patch.
  • Castagere
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    Redguard
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    I know a lot of people will say Nord or Argonian, but looking at the current scheme of things, Redguard is virtually bottom tier in everything. They can't compete with the damage races in DPS. For sustain races, Bosmer is better. Even hybrid sustain races like Imperial beat them in most cases. It may not be the absolute worst, but unlike Nord or Argonian which still have certain niches they excel in, Redguard have no real reason to be used over others.

    Redguards are great tanks :) their stamina return is awesome

    2 problems with this:

    1. Lore: redguards aren’t supposed to be tanks. They are supposed to be weapon masters who are scouts and skirmishers even going as far to be unmatched in guerrilla warfare. Being a rank and file solider (tank) is the exception, not the rule.
    2. In game: Imperial and even nord are considered to be better tanks (though nord could still use a slight buff) ult gen is still overall a better passive to have and the imperial’s cost reduction applies to everything including block, break free, dodge and etc

    This 100%
    They are weapon masters yet Zos ignores this fact. Give them real bonuses to bladed weapons and dual wield.
  • magnusthorek
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    Will see, then. If that's the case, then I'll give her another "interview" :tongue:
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    I'm quite good at genetics (as a subset of biology) because I am an expert (which I know is a tautology).
    My xenoscience studies range from urban to agrarian, I am the very model of a Scientist Salarian.
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