New patch in a nutshell

Skander

Damage is too high

Heavy armor doesn't give enough armor

Surpise attack shoudn't stun

baselesschart

You must've been one of the people that got used to being in heavy armor and killing people. Balance isn't perfect by any means but having so much damage is so much better than having everyone walking around as indestructible tanks. As far as surprise attack, the stun is useful for heavy armor users that rely on block, not that op imo.

nublife01

Skander wrote: »

Damage is too high

Heavy armor doesn't give enough armor

Surpise attack shoudn't stun

lol "surprise attack shouldn't stun" [snip]

[Edited for Baiting]

Gilvoth

not trying to insult nor bait, just simply explaining what the skill is suppose to do.
it is suppose to stun
the stunn is necessary and infact that in itself is what a "surprise attack" is, it's a shocker, a surprise.
the stunn part is what happens when some one surprises you with an attack.

Goregrinder

Gilvoth wrote: »

not trying to insult nor bait, just simply explaining what the skill is suppose to do.
it is suppose to stun
the stunn is necessary and infact that in itself is what a "surprise attack" is, it's a shocker, a surprise.
the stunn part is what happens when some one surprises you with an attack.

That's kind of what rogue-type classes do in MMORPG's, they're typically the stun-lock kings. But ESO doesn't really have true "stun-locking" as we would normally know it, but Nightblade is supposed to be ESO's closest thing to that so NB having access to a stun from stealth with Surprise Attack is part of the class fantasy. I'm surprised people haven't gotten used to this 7 years later.

Skander

baselesschart wrote: »

You must've been one of the people that got used to being in heavy armor and killing people. Balance isn't perfect by any means but having so much damage is so much better than having everyone walking around as indestructible tanks. As far as surprise attack, the stun is useful for heavy armor users that rely on block, not that op imo.

Then i want stun on shards back, they hurt the same, one is a proc the other a spammable

Tommy_The_Gun

Gilvoth wrote: »

"surprise attack" is, it's a shocker, a surprise.

It is a surprise if it actually lands...

baselesschart

Skander wrote: »

Then i want stun on shards back, they hurt the same, one is a proc the other a spammable

Honestly I don't have a problem with a stun being on that and surprise attack. That's what cc immunity is for, you have plenty of time after a surprise attack stun to break out and heal or counter with burst. Not to mention nightblade burst is incredibly easy to predict.

Fawn4287

I’ve waited for far too long to hear these complaints, every heavy armour player thats only form of defence is to hold down block makes me happier, they kick out the crutches, the skill floor becomes visible again and the floor is covered in tanks.

relentless_turnip

I am really enjoying the damage in this patch. Healing is really strong as well. I think a patch that encourages you to press the right button at the right time is a good thing👍

JayKwellen

Fawn4287 wrote: »

I’ve waited for far too long to hear these complaints, every heavy armour player thats only form of defence is to hold down block makes me happier, they kick out the crutches, the skill floor becomes visible again and the floor is covered in tanks.

It sounds like sweet music don't it?

rbfrgsp

If Surprise Attack shouldn't have a stun then stuns should not be in the game full stop. Do you have any idea how up in someone's butt you have to be for that skill to even land?

Skander

rbfrgsp wrote: »

If Surprise Attack shouldn't have a stun then stuns should not be in the game full stop. Do you have any idea how up in someone's butt you have to be for that skill to even land?

Like every other malee skill in the game, yes

KurtAngle2

Damage is indeed too high, it's becoming an almost oneshot fiesta and outnumbered pvp is definitely not possible in current circumstances

relentless_turnip

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

Damage is indeed too high, it's becoming an almost oneshot fiesta and outnumbered pvp is definitely not possible in current circumstances

I am running 3 damage sets and loving this patch so far 😂

Tommy_The_Gun

High dmg wouldn't be an issue if CC break wouldn't be bugged. It only works once in a blue moon and as a result a lot of CCs are unbreakable.
Some skills seems to be more prone to cause that than the others though.

Noctus

relentless_turnip wrote: »

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

Damage is indeed too high, it's becoming an almost oneshot fiesta and outnumbered pvp is definitely not possible in current circumstances

I am running 3 damage sets and loving this patch so far 😂

the thing is now the ppl with fast reflexes and those who can recognize skills by animation and sound and evade it shine.

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think about how stupid ppl sound when they wanna do 1 vs x in open field do they think they have like tripple the iq of normal ppl or smthing. ofc u get carried by gear. if everyone would use that 1 vs x build noone would be the x lol we would have stalemates all over the place too.

those same guys get screwed by the pve players now that they actually have to react to their skills and come up with some tactic.

a true 1 vs x is done by abusing the terrain to ur advantage to kill ppl one after another. but lets be honest here u cant kill someone in mere seconds if both have tank meta builds can u. 1 vs x in the tank meta is all about killing pve players.

with the current patch i have no prob beeing outnumbered im not a stone sitting in one place trying to tank 4 dawnbreakers

another thing is the increased dmg comes from higher stats..... no higher proc dmg or anything ofc this doesnt sit well with ppl stacking hp wearing heavy armor and rely on procs.

and to the creator of this thread learn to block and heal. oh wait yeh ur heals probably comes from ur procset

[Edited to remove Baiting]

rbfrgsp

Skander wrote: »

rbfrgsp wrote: »

If Surprise Attack shouldn't have a stun then stuns should not be in the game full stop. Do you have any idea how up in someone's butt you have to be for that skill to even land?

Like every other malee skill in the game, yes

Yes. It is a very standard skill and by no means an outlier. That was my point

Skander

KurtAngle2 wrote: »

and to the creator of this thread learn to block and heal. oh wait yeh ur heals probably comes from ur procset

I love people that suppose stuff, they are the most entretaining

Waffennacht

I find high damage burst builds that kill in 1 or 2 gcd to be far less skill based than a tank player

relentless_turnip

Waffennacht wrote: »

I find high damage burst builds that kill in 1 or 2 gcd to be far less skill based than a tank player

A true tank wouldn't die in 1-2 GCD 👍

Tommy_The_Gun

I was playing today some Cyro PvP and some one on chat said something that pretty much kinda sums this patch in a nutshell:

"In a world where Gandalf is better ganker than Legolas..."

Now I know how silly & funny that sounds, but just match those two archetypes to ESO classes... Is it just me or there is some wierd paradox we are running into here... it kinda feels um... wrong ?

Luckylancer

Gilvoth wrote: »

not trying to insult nor bait, just simply explaining what the skill is suppose to do.
it is suppose to stun
the stunn is necessary and infact that in itself is what a "surprise attack" is, it's a shocker, a surprise.
the stunn part is what happens when some one surprises you with an attack.

I want my click to win beetles to stun again. It is a very deep fissure after all. Can someone explain me why spooking stuns but not deep fissures?

Developer realised a skill that hit hard and stun at the same time is too OP for them. They removed high damage + stuns (crystals) from non-ult skills.

olsborg

I kinda like the dmg ngl, but I dont like how overtuned the healing is, ppl can go from 100% ->10% and back to 100% within 1 second. Its dumb.

Sanctum74

Luckylancer wrote: »

Gilvoth wrote: »

not trying to insult nor bait, just simply explaining what the skill is suppose to do.
it is suppose to stun
the stunn is necessary and infact that in itself is what a "surprise attack" is, it's a shocker, a surprise.
the stunn part is what happens when some one surprises you with an attack.

I want my click to win beetles to stun again. It is a very deep fissure after all. Can someone explain me why spooking stuns but not deep fissures?

Developer realised a skill that hit hard and stun at the same time is too OP for them. They removed high damage + stuns (crystals) from non-ult skills.

There’s a big difference between a single target and aoe skill, not to mention fissure didn’t require stealth for a stun and has a much higher tooltip.

master_vanargand

The decrease in Critical Chance made PvE players cry, but for PvP Nightblade it was the moment they regained their class identity.
Historically in PvP, Critical Build was a mockery, but now it's shining like Meridia.
This is great job, thank you ZoS.

katorga

Remember back when spammables shouldn't be "overloaded"? They nerfed Dizzy, Frags, and a few

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I was playing today some Cyro PvP and some one on chat said something that pretty much kinda sums this patch in a nutshell:

"In a world where Gandalf is better ganker than Legolas..."

Now I know how silly & funny that sounds, but just match those two archetypes to ESO classes... Is it just me or there is some wierd paradox we are running into here... it kinda feels um... wrong ?

I heard the Movie Trailer Voice in my head when I read that. Priceless.

master_vanargand

katorga wrote: »

Remember back when spammables shouldn't be "overloaded"? They nerfed Dizzy, Frags, and a few

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I was playing today some Cyro PvP and some one on chat said something that pretty much kinda sums this patch in a nutshell:

"In a world where Gandalf is better ganker than Legolas..."

Now I know how silly & funny that sounds, but just match those two archetypes to ESO classes... Is it just me or there is some wierd paradox we are running into here... it kinda feels um... wrong ?

I heard the Movie Trailer Voice in my head when I read that. Priceless.

Other classes have a lot of better skills than Surprise Attack.
We can do surprise damage in any class now.

Udrath

Healing is okay. Twilight sorc heals a little
Too strong. Damage could be reworked on some classes, but it’s not unplayable. Certain stuns though are shining better than others in this patch.

Warden ice heal has a whole unique animation that takes a long time to break.

Dizzy swings stun should require a full heavy attack or not stun at all.

Dragon leap still dumb long.

Stamblade stun is fine since it has a condition. Their damage is crazy high though if you lack impen.

Otherwise fun gameplay in no-cp. Especially if you play stamina...

techyeshic

Its fine.

Kikazaru

Everyone feels waaaaay more squishy now, I'm just melting players so fast it's insane!