Detection Radius Reduction in the Green Tree is Redundant

AlextheMuspel

For thieves, Khajiit's passive+Improved Sneak (Medium Armor)+Night Mother's Embrace+Night Terror+Darloc Brae are sufficient to reduce the detection radius to -0.5m. With 3m reduction in the green tree means now I can slot 2pc monster set+1pc mythic item? Why not add increased pickpocket rate instead? Not to mention negative detection radius completely breaks immersion. Guards literally can't see me even when I'm RIGHT UNDER HIS NOSE.

For PvPers in IC, I didn't test it but it would be such a "bruh" moment if the -3.5m detection radius finally means you're INVISIBLE 100% of the time. THAT would be so funny and completely pointless unless your sole purpose is to collect skyshards.

Another perk that looks nice but completely pointless. Imagine how hilarious it would be if bunch of thieves stacking under the guard's groin but he's completely oblivious, now that getting to 0m detection radius is so easy. Nothing to look here, just another day in ESO

opaj

Ah, but now I have more flexibility with my gear for my Khajiit thief. And my non-Khajiit thief doesn't feel as handicapped as she used to be.

It's okay to have redundant things in a game. They open up more possibilities.

zaria

Weirdly not all players are Khajiit.
And with 3 sneak sets guards would push this one out of their way already

Everstorm

zaria wrote: »

Weirdly not all players are Khajiit.

This.

AlextheMuspel

Everstorm wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Weirdly not all players are Khajiit.

This.

I assumed so bc I have one toon dedicated to thieving. It's too much of a hassle with the gear, passive, and bounty stuff to do it on other characters.

That's apparently not the case for everyone, so it seems.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

Why not add increased pickpocket rate instead?

Because not everyone plays a thief.

Not to mention negative detection radius completely breaks immersion. Guards literally can't see me even when I'm RIGHT UNDER HIS NOSE [/quote[


And of all the things in ESO that breaks your immersion? not the colorful mounts, flashy skins or unlorefriendly names...

Ratzkifal

Your Khajiit can now slot the Ring of the Wild Hunt instead of Darloc Brae for more speed in sneak. You can also more easily do thief content now without getting a specialized set and just do it in your regular medium armor dps setup.

And yes, it actually works like that in PvP, but there is also a new detection CP and certain skills increase your detection radius, like Mage Light. Detection potions give 20m of detection, so even at your -3.5 you will get pulled out of sneak.
Aside from that, on a setup like that, you can really only get skyshards since anyone you ambush will be able to kill you easily due to lack of damage.

I really like this CP, especially since ZOS is still refusing to listen to reason and has still not given Bosmer back their stealth after two years and no communication. It doesn't fix the issue, but at least it makes it more bearable for the time being.

caperb

People make dedicated toons for non combat purposes? XD

I don't do a lot of thieving since my main already has the achievements and I don't like the repetiveness of it, but I never ever outfitted a character in dedicated thieving gear and still did everything fine when needed on any alt (mostly dark brotherhood to get the level 7 passive, less aggro from mobs).

This new thieving passive is a welcome QoL improvement because it is an easy and fast way to buff a character I have to level DB on. It is not redundant.

Kwoung

caperb wrote: »

People make dedicated toons for non combat purposes? XD

I don't do a lot of thieving since my main already has the achievements and I don't like the repetiveness of it, but I never ever outfitted a character in dedicated thieving gear and still did everything fine when needed on any alt (mostly dark brotherhood to get the level 7 passive, less aggro from mobs).

This new thieving passive is a welcome QoL improvement because it is an easy and fast way to buff a character I have to level DB on. It is not redundant.

The Thieves Guild Heist dailies are the only way to get Bahraha's Curse gear in weights other than medium, and they require serious sneaking. The off weights also sell for a small fortune. My NB isn't dedicated to thieving, but he always has his sneaky set of gear handy.

nesakinter

It is a blessing for Khajiits doing thiefing, as now you can max out speed by dropping one set.

caperb

Kwoung wrote: »

caperb wrote: »

People make dedicated toons for non combat purposes? XD

I don't do a lot of thieving since my main already has the achievements and I don't like the repetiveness of it, but I never ever outfitted a character in dedicated thieving gear and still did everything fine when needed on any alt (mostly dark brotherhood to get the level 7 passive, less aggro from mobs).

This new thieving passive is a welcome QoL improvement because it is an easy and fast way to buff a character I have to level DB on. It is not redundant.

The Thieves Guild Heist dailies are the only way to get Bahraha's Curse gear in weights other than medium, and they require serious sneaking. The off weights also sell for a small fortune. My NB isn't dedicated to thieving, but he always has his sneaky set of gear handy.

Maybe it's just me then, but I never bothered to change characters for that. I've recently done some Bahraha's and Syvarra's as well and had no problems on light/heavy armour characters. Just slot a speed buff and use invisibility potions when you make a mistake.

Bucky_13

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Weirdly not all players are Khajiit.

This.

I assumed so bc I have one toon dedicated to thieving. It's too much of a hassle with the gear, passive, and bounty stuff to do it on other characters.

That's apparently not the case for everyone, so it seems.

My dedicated thief is a redguard, I do have a khajiit too, but it's basically just a daily writ crafter. Thieving is one of those things where I can't be bothered to min max.

Scardan

I disagree. I am sneaking necromancer in 7 pieces of light armor and this passive makes my sneaking thief life so much better.
One of best passives ever.

AlnilamE

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

Everstorm wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Weirdly not all players are Khajiit.

This.

I assumed so bc I have one toon dedicated to thieving. It's too much of a hassle with the gear, passive, and bounty stuff to do it on other characters.

That's apparently not the case for everyone, so it seems.

My main thief is a dunmer nightblade.

FrancisCrawford

AlextheMuspel wrote: »

For thieves, Khajiit's passive+Improved Sneak (Medium Armor)+Night Mother's Embrace+Night Terror+Darloc Brae are sufficient to reduce the detection radius to -0.5m. With 3m reduction in the green tree means now I can slot 2pc monster set+1pc mythic item? Why not add increased pickpocket rate instead? Not to mention negative detection radius completely breaks immersion. Guards literally can't see me even when I'm RIGHT UNDER HIS NOSE.

For PvPers in IC, I didn't test it but it would be such a "bruh" moment if the -3.5m detection radius finally means you're INVISIBLE 100% of the time. THAT would be so funny and completely pointless unless your sole purpose is to collect skyshards.

Another perk that looks nice but completely pointless. Imagine how hilarious it would be if bunch of thieves stacking under the guard's groin but he's completely oblivious, now that getting to 0m detection radius is so easy. Nothing to look here, just another day in ESO

Ever since Ring of the Wild Hunt became available, my Stage 1 vampire thief Grumpy Ex Wood Elf has used Darloc Brae (5-piece), Night Terror and RotWH, with the other slots adding a bit of damage. And he certainly can use other green slottables such as Treasure Hunter, Plentiful Harvest, Master Gatherer and so on. So I doubt he'll use that slottable.

On the other hand, maybe one of my magblades will finally be able to stealth too, perhaps even without becoming a vampire. (Actually, vamping out still makes more sense, but then we have the whole looks problem ...)

AlextheMuspel

caperb wrote: »

People make dedicated toons for non combat purposes? XD

I don't do a lot of thieving since my main already has the achievements and I don't like the repetiveness of it, but I never ever outfitted a character in dedicated thieving gear and still did everything fine when needed on any alt (mostly dark brotherhood to get the level 7 passive, less aggro from mobs).

This new thieving passive is a welcome QoL improvement because it is an easy and fast way to buff a character I have to level DB on. It is not redundant.

Getting skyshards feels like a chore to me, and I don’t have crowns to purchase them from crown store, so the only skill points I got are from leveling up, which severely limits my choices when it comes to building the character.

I’m ok with collecting all the skyshards ONCE on my main. But doing it on all my alts? God no...

Maybe it all comes down to one’s tolerance for grinding, in which case I personally find it insufferable. I can barely finish the DB quests on one single character, let alone all the alts...

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Something something bosmer, something no stealth bonus.

AlextheMuspel

Scardan wrote: »

I disagree. I am sneaking necromancer in 7 pieces of light armor and this passive makes my sneaking thief life so much better.
One of best passives ever.

I’m talking about maximum effectiveness when it comes to thieving, in which case necromancer is a terrible choice. In fact, the only viable option here is NB, for their unique ability to disengage the combat at their will at a cost of only 3k magika. It makes no sense to choose otherwise unless you’re doing it for role-playing or whatnot.

Maybe switch your armor to medium when you’re thieving. It’s a much better QOL change than the passive.