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So now that mist form is nerfed...

WhereArtThouVampires
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Vampire is going to get some sort of recompensation, right? Maybe a damage buff to vamp drain? Or a speed increase to elusive mist?

Nerfing one of the only viable skills in the entire skill line because a few people on the forums couldn't stop chasing mist form spammers.... Seems like a major knee jerk reaction.

On every single thread that was made regarding mist form, these people were in such a small minority. Why change the skill because people don't know how to not chase a guy that is in perma mist? Or at the very least they don't know that mist form dies really easily to dots and especially fire dots?

Why not nerf the cost reduction glyphs instead?

I personally know friends that won't be able to use their PvE tank builds anymore because of this.
  • amm7sb14_ESO
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    What happened to Mist Form?
  • WhereArtThouVampires
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.
  • Wildberryjack
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    Is there any advantage to being a Vampire anymore? Because I'm not seeing it. At this point I'm thinking about curing all of my Vampires.
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  • Nagastani
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    Not really, not for most players.

    Now, I can play as a vampire successfully. However, like WATV was saying Vamp isn't flexible with many sets.

    You can play vamp but only if you build for it. Which is interesting in a way because while this presents a challenge, there are only a handful of sets which would enable vampire to compete in PvP successfully. (or PvE too for that matter)
    Edited by Nagastani on March 8, 2021 8:33PM
  • Mayrael
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    ...now when mist form got nerfed can we please nerf also werewolves hp based heal?
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    Fast sneak is about it, I think
  • Sangwyne
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    It was a long time coming, Mist Form was causing issues and was definitely too strong as a get-out-of-jail free card. Now the other one needs to be addressed: Streak. Nightblades have to sacrifice virtually their entire class and have been adjusted multiple times around Cloak to have it remain usable as their defining feature, but Sorcerers don't give up anything, and are far and away the strongest class in no-proc Cyrodiil right now simply because of how strong Streak is there. I would suggest ramping up the cost by 50% instead of 33% for successive casts, that way people just using it to get around in overland aren't affected but Sorcs in PvP aren't able to traverse half the map simply by spamming it.
  • Rexicom
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    So blood mist no longer heals you?

    RIP my solo vamp build.
  • Goregrinder
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    Rexicom wrote: »
    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    So blood mist no longer heals you?

    RIP my solo vamp build.

    I believe blood mist itself still heals you based on the damage it does, but you could stack other healing effects and recovery ontop of it. Now you can't stack anything on top of it.
  • Rexicom
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    Rexicom wrote: »
    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    So blood mist no longer heals you?

    RIP my solo vamp build.

    I believe blood mist itself still heals you based on the damage it does, but you could stack other healing effects and recovery ontop of it. Now you can't stack anything on top of it.

    Oh, so maybe it can still be saved when console release comes.
  • amm7sb14_ESO
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    Wasn't it already like that?
  • Goregrinder
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    Wasn't it already like that?

    Well Desert rose/Vengeance Leech etc could restore magicka when they proc even in mist form (Perma mist). Crimson procs would heal you in mist, etc.
  • Rexicom
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    Wasn't it already like that?

    Hollowfang Thirst could heal your magicka while in mist form.
  • TheUndeadAmulet
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    We did it guys, every skill in the vampire tree is officially useless
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  • Ratzkifal
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    What happened to Mist Form?

    They removed interactions with certain sets and completely disabled regen of health, Mana, and stamina while in the form from all outside sources.

    Wasn't it already like that?

    Magicka recovery was disabled and you couldn't be healed, but health recovery and stamina recovery were still active. Now the removed that and made "certain sets" unable to restore magicka or heal while in mist form.
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  • WhereArtThouVampires
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    Sangwyne wrote: »
    It was a long time coming, Mist Form was causing issues and was definitely too strong as a get-out-of-jail free card. Now the other one needs to be addressed: Streak. Nightblades have to sacrifice virtually their entire class and have been adjusted multiple times around Cloak to have it remain usable as their defining feature, but Sorcerers don't give up anything, and are far and away the strongest class in no-proc Cyrodiil right now simply because of how strong Streak is there. I would suggest ramping up the cost by 50% instead of 33% for successive casts, that way people just using it to get around in overland aren't affected but Sorcs in PvP aren't able to traverse half the map simply by spamming it.

    Mmm, no. Mist form was absolutely not too strong.

    You also had to become a vampire to get it.


    I've GENUINELY never seen someone just live from mist form that wasn't doing a full on mist form troll tank build.

    But I can tell you what I have seen: a few people here and there on the forums that pretend mist form was an actual issue. However, every time they'd create a thread or bring it up nobody agreed with them. Instead, the cause of their issues could be better explained with the cost reduction runes and certain proc sets just being too strong.
  • Vevvev
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    Is there any advantage to being a Vampire anymore? Because I'm not seeing it. At this point I'm thinking about curing all of my Vampires.

    I still get hate tells for using Swarming Scion but that's about it. I'm honestly scared of using Mistform now with any sort of stamina missing because its not like as a mage I have great stam regen. It still has some use but its so niche at this point its ridiculous.
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  • Nagastani
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    Sangwyne wrote: »
    It was a long time coming, Mist Form was causing issues and was definitely too strong as a get-out-of-jail free card. Now the other one needs to be addressed: Streak. Nightblades have to sacrifice virtually their entire class and have been adjusted multiple times around Cloak to have it remain usable as their defining feature, but Sorcerers don't give up anything, and are far and away the strongest class in no-proc Cyrodiil right now simply because of how strong Streak is there. I would suggest ramping up the cost by 50% instead of 33% for successive casts, that way people just using it to get around in overland aren't affected but Sorcs in PvP aren't able to traverse half the map simply by spamming it.

    Mmm, no. Mist form was absolutely not too strong.

    You also had to become a vampire to get it.


    I've GENUINELY never seen someone just live from mist form that wasn't doing a full on mist form troll tank build.

    But I can tell you what I have seen: a few people here and there on the forums that pretend mist form was an actual issue. However, every time they'd create a thread or bring it up nobody agreed with them. Instead, the cause of their issues could be better explained with the cost reduction runes and certain proc sets just being too strong.

    Some of the streamers complained about it too however Mist was really the only thing keeping vamps alive in PvP.
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    Why do I think that people will just swap skill cost reduction glyphs to potion cooldown glyphs and use tri-stat potions (possibly even on Argonian) 🤔 ? I may be wrong, but you can drink potions in a mist form, right ?

    I mean it is not a rocket since... final result will be similar, but achieved in a different way. But You would need more potions for that.
    Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on March 9, 2021 1:04AM
  • nukk3r
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    Remember when they made drain stun after channeling instead of instant stun? Remember when they removed it completely? Moral of the story: never get attached to sub-classes. I cured my chars of vampirism long before Greymoor.
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    Can we get help from Microsoft ?

    The combat team is out of control .
  • WhereArtThouVampires
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    nukk3r wrote: »
    Remember when they made drain stun after channeling instead of instant stun? Remember when they removed it completely? Moral of the story: never get attached to sub-classes. I cured my chars of vampirism long before Greymoor.

    Remember when vampires could actually turn invis while bats swarmed around them? Thus giving the feeling of them becoming a swarm of bats?
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