ZOS don't destroy your own game by eliminating 90% of it's content !

WolfyRaps

The Cyrodiil restricted to no proc test was a mess. I couln't even bother to farm my tier one on all of my characters , except of magsorc, waiting for this joke of a test to end.

Hearing that this joke will now last 6 months upsets me a lot. I have 12 characters fully geared that will become unusable in PVP, exept one (magsorc).

This is a lazy and unfair decission. You do not bother to upgrade the server, even though ZOS makes tons money from this game, you do not even bother to use your brain and analyze data to understand that crosshealing ban was what created a significant improvement in Cyro performance.

I am mostly a PVPer. When I play the game I want to get enjoyment out of it. As I am competitive I will not play a subpar spec in PVP. Since the begining I felt this was an extremly stupid test and was in no mood to gear swap all my caracters. I don't even care about the double AP because I wil not bother to waste time on an unenjoyable experiance. I played my magsorc to Tier 3 killing subpar builds with ease in Cyro and with all my other chars I played BG to the top of tha ladder waiting for the test to end.

The build diversity was what made this game good for me and proc sets were great for balance, giving a fighting chance to classes that otherwise would have none. I will not participate in a masquarade in which the build diversity is non-existent and all my sets farmed during hundreds of hours in game are useless.

I feel disrespected by ZOS. I have canceled my subscription. I will not renew it again and I will not buy another ZOS game until the no-proc Cyro is reverted!

Togal

I too am not renewing until they revert the no-proc garbage. Lol just because people were pvping more often they thought hey they love the no proc meta, we should disable it for the next 6 months, its like they totally ignore the fact that there was a double ap event and people just went to cyro for that. GJ zos for making everything more boring, as soon as a new mmo pops up im jumping ship.

CipherNine

lol no procs do not make any of your characters unusable. You are in the same playing field as everyone else. Now people have to rely on their skill instead of proc sets playing for them.

Twyst

Pretty sure that PvP isn't 90% of this games content.

Digibrax

Byeeeee!!!
I hope procs never return to Cyrodil, so it can be more fun to watch pvp.

WolfyRaps

CipherNine wrote: »

lol no procs do not make any of your characters unusable. You are in the same playing field as everyone else. Now people have to rely on their skill instead of proc sets playing for them.

Sure and have magsorcs rule all as they do not need any proc sets. Proc sets provided balance as they offered a fighting chance to all classes. At similar top skill level a no proc warden gets eaten alive by a magsorc, as does any other class.

The game was balance around proc sets, and I can atest to that because I play all 12 available class/ spec combinations.

nukk3r

So can we have your stuff or what?

Lintashi

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

WolfyRaps

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

I am a PVPer on 6 classes and 12 specs, and a top 0.1% PVPer at that so I might know what I am talking about. I like theorycrafting and I only play optimized builds on any class. Removing build diversity just makes the game extremly dull.

Olen_Mikko

Instead of L2P, gimme the most OP & broken cheese builds plz.

Dude, learn and adapt. If you can't be good without a help of the cheesiest sets, then the problem is not in the game.

AhSeLYaG

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

WolfyRaps

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

Instead of L2P, gimme the op cheese builds plz.

Dude, learn and adapt. If you can't be good without a help of the cheesiest sets, then the problem is not in the game.

I did addapt.. I only played magsorc in Cyro during 3 weeks.. I don't want to play a game without build diversity with an OP class to run them all.

Kory

I have builds I cannot use in Cyradil too, and I am having a great time in Cyradil with just stat boosting sets.
It's an ongoing development with this game with both pvp and pve. They are not even close to "destroying" the game. This isn't permanent, and they are working on different rulesets for different pvp modes including BGs and IC. Which is cause to be happy in my book.

WolfyRaps

Kory wrote: »

I have builds I cannot use in Cyradil too, and I am having a great time in Cyradil with just stat boosting sets.
It's an ongoing development with this game with both pvp and pve. They are not even close to "destroying" the game. This isn't permanent, and they are working on different rulesets for different pvp modes including BGs and IC. Which is cause to be happy in my book.

I cannot accept 6 month of boring and dull Cyro... This is a slap in the face to the whole player base !

Lintashi

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

WolfyRaps

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

Mythreindeer

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Kory wrote: »

I have builds I cannot use in Cyradil too, and I am having a great time in Cyradil with just stat boosting sets.
It's an ongoing development with this game with both pvp and pve. They are not even close to "destroying" the game. This isn't permanent, and they are working on different rulesets for different pvp modes including BGs and IC. Which is cause to be happy in my book.

I cannot accept 6 month of boring and dull Cyro... This is a slap in the face to the whole player base !

"The whole player base" is not a subset of one with you as it's only member.

At least give it a try or if you hate the idea so much of no proc sets than at least pass gently into that good night.

nukk3r

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Kory wrote: »

I have builds I cannot use in Cyradil too, and I am having a great time in Cyradil with just stat boosting sets.
It's an ongoing development with this game with both pvp and pve. They are not even close to "destroying" the game. This isn't permanent, and they are working on different rulesets for different pvp modes including BGs and IC. Which is cause to be happy in my book.

I cannot accept 6 month of boring and dull Cyro... This is a slap in the face to the whole player base !

A handful of so called "competitive PvP players" and self-proclaimed "top 0.1%" isn't the whole player base.

AhSeLYaG

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

Ok so you also admit that most of available sets were not breaking gamers motivation whatsoever.
So question is why not fix those a few sets and classes? But ban all sets altogether?
Whats the problem with bright throat? Necropotence? And hundreds more? And why should we adopt after spending hundreds of hours and gold to built our characters. ?
Will these adoptation solve imbalance of some classes that have obvious advantage in pvp both mitigation and damage wise over other classes?

Will banning all these sets and killing build diversity make player base more happy or not after first weeks?
Regards

virtus753

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

Ok so you also admit that most of available sets were not breaking gamers motivation whatsoever.
So question is why not fix those a few sets and classes? But ban all sets altogether?
Whats the problem with bright throat? Necropotence? And hundreds more? And why should we adopt after spending hundreds of hours and gold to built our characters. ?
Will these adoptation solve imbalance of some classes that have obvious advantage in pvp both mitigation and damage wise over other classes?

Will banning all these sets and killing build diversity make player base more happy or not after first weeks?
Regards

They are planning to change the rules of how procs work in Cyro, IC, and BGs. The problem is that it’s an all-or-nothing proposition right now:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7153201#Comment_7153201

Somewhere along the line they made the decision to turn off any proc (even ones we don’t usually think of as procs) while they work on the code to allow for proc vs. no-proc campaigns and (one imagines) other ways of dealing with the sets they might consider problematic.

Massacre_Wurm

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

WolfyRaps

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Come for a duel in Bergama to find out. That and BG is the only way of PVP now...

Redguards_Revenge

WolfyRaps wrote: »

The Cyrodiil restricted to no proc test was a mess. I couln't even bother to farm my tier one on all of my characters , except of magsorc, waiting for this joke of a test to end.

Hearing that this joke will now last 6 months upsets me a lot. I have 12 characters fully geared that will become unusable in PVP, exept one (magsorc).

This is a lazy and unfair decission. You do not bother to upgrade the server, even though ZOS makes tons money from this game, you do not even bother to use your brain and analyze data to understand that crosshealing ban was what created a significant improvement in Cyro performance.

I am mostly a PVPer. When I play the game I want to get enjoyment out of it. As I am competitive I will not play a subpar spec in PVP. Since the begining I felt this was an extremly stupid test and was in no mood to gear swap all my caracters. I don't even care about the double AP because I wil not bother to waste time on an unenjoyable experiance. I played my magsorc to Tier 3 killing subpar builds with ease in Cyro and with all my other chars I played BG to the top of tha ladder waiting for the test to end.

The build diversity was what made this game good for me and proc sets were great for balance, giving a fighting chance to classes that otherwise would have none. I will not participate in a masquarade in which the build diversity is non-existent and all my sets farmed during hundreds of hours in game are useless.

I feel disrespected by ZOS. I have canceled my subscription. I will not renew it again and I will not buy another ZOS game until the no-proc Cyro is reverted!

#1. PVP is only a fragment of the playerbase. I wish it was the true endgame but people love the PVE.
#2. Get ready for some snips.

Artorias24

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Ppl who call themself the most skilled players ever are for sure not even close to this. And even If He is, He should be able to play without procs.

wazzz56

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Some classes are better with proc sets then others. They need proc sets in order to compete. The game has been balanced this way. A magsorc without proc sets is still overpowered, a Magblade or a Warden is weak...

It actually hurts the balance instead of improving it in adition to completly eliminating build diversity !

For somebody who speaks so highly of their pvp prowress you seem a bit overly upset by this. And it is laughable that you speak of anything resembling balance concerning the current proc meta... also tell me why you think magblade will be weak during this please, if anything it will be waaaay better off in open world...

Massacre_Wurm

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Come for a duel in Bergama to find out. That and BG is the only way of PVP now...

Find out what ? How your possible victory in one duel will prove that your are "most skilled" , lol ?

WolfyRaps

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Come for a duel in Bergama to find out. That and BG is the only way of PVP now...

Artorias24 wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Ppl who call themself the most skilled players ever are for sure not even close to this. And even If He is, He should be able to play without procs.

I play magsorc with crafty and spinners. It melts faces. The problem is that is the only thing I can play at a competitive level when I have 11 other classes/specs in full hard farmed golden gear..

Scardan

WolfyRaps wrote: »

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP.

Self-recognized?)

Everything will be fine, relax.

Armethius

Cannot believe how much support there is for proc removal.

Benefits to procs:

- 100+ sets and millions of new build diversities
- PVE accomplishments translate over into PVP advantage
- They are more fun, I've had successful top tier builds with Earthgore, Stuhn's, Chudan, Malacath, the Flame Wall set and others and many combinations of the three. Cannot tell you how fun it is to see a flame wall crawl into a ball group and take them all to half health, when they've never even seen that skill hit b4.

Cons to procs:
- potentially more lag
- ball groups get extra power thru coordination of procs
- Min/Maxers and Veterans have another leg up on noobies making Cyro less friendly for growth of the player base

I play Cyro almost every evening. I see both sides.

But, 6 months! That is an eternity! Very upset that all the *** I spent months grinding for is worthless for 6 months!

BlueRaven

PvPer complaints have basically ruined pve tanking (and light armor too) this patch to the point that two of my guilds are questioning if they can actually complete trial content now.

So I am having a hard time finding any compassion for PvPer problems in cyrodiil.

Artorias24

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Come for a duel in Bergama to find out. That and BG is the only way of PVP now...

Artorias24 wrote: »

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

WolfyRaps wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

90% of content? All of PvP takes like 10%. And was the ability to PvP removed from the game? Or you just enjoyed broken content with no skill required, and now cry, that you cannot cheese anymore? Seems like L2p issue

İ think he/she means %90 of sets available. And he/she is right. Zos will understand this too when nobody (i mean pvp ers) needs to buy dlcs or other stuff when u dont need more then training gear and agility..

I understand, but its not like all of those 90% were used before proc sets removal. Like "oh no, I cannot use my Green Pact set anymore! And what about my Skooma Smuggler set!" People cry that they cannot use couple of broken sets now, like it prevents any kind of PvP whatsoever. Just adapt, they will be returned back eventually, and if people will learn to actually use skill instead of using broken proc crutches, it will be great.

I am one of the most skilled players you will find in PVP. I know the games ins and outs and I play 12 different builds in PVP !

Is this some kind of joke ? Becuase it looks like one.

Ppl who call themself the most skilled players ever are for sure not even close to this. And even If He is, He should be able to play without procs.

I play magsorc with crafty and spinners. It melts faces. The problem is that is the only thing I can play at a competitive level when I have 11 other classes/specs in full hard farmed golden gear..

Magsorc is the one class that benefits the most out of this testing. By stating now you could only be competetive on sorc during that Test completly negates (hah) your statement of being one of the most skilled pvp players.