Alternative Set Combinations for PvP.

TwiceBornStar

Crafting 4 pieces of Assassin's Guile, Legacy of Karth and New Moon Acolyte will give you:

3332 weapon/spell critical
387 weapon/spell damage
2974 weapon/spell penetration

That's actually not too bad, is it? It'll also make a hybrid more viable. Anyway, this is just one combination. You can opt for higher penetration or higher weapon/spell damage as well by combining craftable sets.

Curious about your thoughts!

TwiceBornStar

If you combine 4 pieces of Kvatch Gladiator, 5 pieces of Hunding's Rage and 3 pieces of Night Mother's Gaze, then this will give you:

4165 weapon critical
758 weapon damage
1096 stamina

Sounds like a DPS set-up to me!

laksikus

2 trainee, 3 willpower, 5 spinner, 1 domi, 1 swarm mother


The problem with your set up is that you

1. Miss out on at least 1 Set bonus
2. Some sets give a higher stat bonuses than others (trainee and willpower for example)
3. Some sets work as 1p (monster and trainee)

TwiceBornStar

Or a bit more balanced for recovery? Crafting 5 pieces of Shacklebreaker, 4 pieces of Innate Axiom and 3 pieces of Daring Corsair will give you:

258 stamina/magicka recovery
258 weapon/spell damage
3161 max stamina/magicka
833 weapon and spell critical

Is this bad? It doesn't sound that bad!

Urzigurumash

Going for just overall numbers I don't think you can miss out on either 3 piece Endurance / Willpower / Agility / Grace of Ancients, I could be wrong

TwiceBornStar

laksikus wrote: »

The problem with your set up is that you

1. Miss out on at least 1 Set bonus

I realize that, but I'm just looking for a combination which you can put together quite quickly, and then go on and have some fun in Cyrodill.

laksikus wrote: »

2 trainee, 3 willpower, 5 spinner, 1 domi, 1 swarm mother

Good combo! Gives you:

2192 max stamina
6163 max magicka
335 spell damage
3460 spell penetration

Keep 'em coming!

FlaviusPK

People eating... some strange substance and trying to convince each other it's not that bad. 😂

TwiceBornStar

Urzigurumash wrote: »

Going for just overall numbers I don't think you can miss out on either 3 piece Endurance / Willpower / Agility / Grace of Ancients, I could be wrong

I have thought of that, but I was looking for critical chance and offensive penetration as well, and of course I was looking for combos that you can put together real quick, without having to collect or farm something first. Just curious about every possible combo. So don't be shy, help me out and start posting yours? Hopefully, by the time we finish this thread, we'll have some options!

TwiceBornStar

FlaviusPK wrote: »

People eating... some strange substance and trying to convince each other it's not that bad. 😂

If you compare these combos to the sets you used to wear, sure. If you compare these combos to what you're able to use now? Not that bad at all, I'd say!

We're all in the same boat?

Sangwyne

Don't forget Mythics, they might not hold too much efficiency in terms of raw stats, but their bonus usually presents a unique or rather interesting way of playing the game that you could accommodate into your build, or even focus your playstyle around. Backbarring certain sets that can carry over to front bar is also a good idea, and lets you use Arena weapons and the like and still get the full value out of two 5 piece sets and a monster helm. I would suggest that at least for the time being (i.e. until Update 31 arrives in September), you use Shacklebreaker on both bars, given that it is by far the most useful of the 19 sets that still function to their full potential in Cyrodiil, and that placing it only on one bar would cause you to lose the extra Stamina/Magicka if you were capped when you swapped bars.

Sanctum74

FlaviusPK wrote: »

People eating... some strange substance and trying to convince each other it's not that bad. 😂

It really isn’t that bad and it’s good to see some people think outside the box. It will be a refreshing change to be fighting players again instead of the armor sets that carried them.

FlaviusPK

Sanctum74 wrote: »

FlaviusPK wrote: »

People eating... some strange substance and trying to convince each other it's not that bad. 😂

It really isn’t that bad and it’s good to see some people think outside the box. It will be a refreshing change to be fighting players again instead of the armor sets that carried them.

The irony is we are all in a VERY tight box now.

vesselwiththepestle

5 Hunding's, 1 Molag Kena, 1 Balorgh, 3 Agility, 2 Endurance

1666 Crit
1928 Health
2848 Stamina
764 Weapon Damage
258 Spell Damage

You can chose if you want it in heavy or medium. You can also chose to wear 3 Agility front-bar, 3 Endurance back-bar . If you need more Magicka for support skills, replace Molag Kena and Balorgh for Domihaus and Swarm Mother.


If you don't like the Crit in your Hunding's, go with:

5 Spriggan's, 1 Molag Kena, 1 Balorgh, 3 Agility, 2 Endurance

1928 Health
3944 Stamina
593 Weapon Damage
3460 Physical Penetration
258 Spell Damage

vesselwiththepestle

TwiceBornStar wrote: »

Or a bit more balanced for recovery? Crafting 5 pieces of Shacklebreaker, 4 pieces of Innate Axiom and 3 pieces of Daring Corsair will give you:

258 stamina/magicka recovery
258 weapon/spell damage
3161 max stamina/magicka
833 weapon and spell critical

Is this bad? It doesn't sound that bad!

Compare this to 1 Molag Kena, 1 Balorgh, 5 Shacklebreaker, 5 Amber Plasm:
405 Stam Rec
405 Magicka Rec
276 Health Rec
387 Weapon Damage
516 Spell Damage
833 Spell Critical
2065 Max Stamina
3161 Max Magicka

Or, if you want more Stamina, even 1 Domihaus, 1 Swarm Mother, 5 Shacklebreaker, 5 Amber Plasm:

405 Stam Rec
405 Magicka Rec
276 Health Rec
129 Weapon Damage
258 Spell Damage
833 Spell Critical
4257 Max Stamina
5353 Max Magicka

In my opinion you probably won't run 4 pieces of a 5-piece-set. You will be better off by combinig two 5-piece-sets with 2 separate monster set pieces or one 5-piece-set with monster-set pieces and trainee/willpower/agility/endurance.

YandereGirlfriend

I am very much opposed to yesterday's changes but I do want to sincerely thank and applaud the OP for starting such a practical, constructive thread.

Its positivity shines like a light in the dark - our own little Galadriel's phial.

TwiceBornStar

Okay, so this is an example with 3 pieces of Agility, 5 pieces of Hunding's Rage and 4 pieces of Kvatch Gladiator, which will give you:

2848 max stamina
635 weapon damage
3332 weapon critical

But if you prefer a higher resource pool, you could also go with 2 pieces of Agility, 5 pieces of Hunding's Rage and 5 pieces of Shacklebreaker, and it would change to:

2065 max magicka
4913 max stamina
1666 weapon critical
429 weapon damage
129 spell damage
129 stamina/magicka recovery

I don't know? Seems reasonable.

TwiceBornStar

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

I am very much opposed to yesterday's changes but I do want to sincerely thank and applaud the OP for starting such a practical, constructive thread.

Its positivity shines like a light in the dark - our own little Galadriel's phial.

Why thank you! I'm pretty sure we can figure out some really nice combos together. I'm going AFK for a week, but in case this change to PvP may turn out to be permanent, I'm going to do my best to explore every possible option. If someone else hasn't already. So consider this thread a dare to any theorycrafters out there: Post something better than the last person. Or something different that's suitable for a Tank, a Healer or a magicka Nightblade..

Curious!

TwiceBornStar

Cheers Vessel! Those look like viable options!

TwiceBornStar

If you combine 5 pieces of Leviathan, 5 pieces of Hunding's Rage, 1 piece of Slimecraw and 1 piece of Grundwulf, you'll get:

1666 spell critical
6935 weapon critical
2192 stamina
300 weapon damage

That's about 33% weapon critical on top of your base stat, without Savagery, without wearing Medium Armor, without using daggers and without the Precise trait. So.. I'm willing to bet that if you're going to use a Shadow Mundus on a Khajiit you'll be doing some ugly numbers if you make it a Nightblade.

No?

Peacatcher

Does a perfected arena weapon still give you the 2 piece stat? Or say the 171 spell damage on Shalk 5 piece.

Or is that considered part of the weapon's overall proc effect?

(I dont have any, just curious)

TwiceBornStar

Peacatcher wrote: »

Does a perfected arena weapon still give you the 2 piece stat? Or say the 171 spell damage on Shalk 5 piece.

Or is that considered part of the weapon's overall proc effect?

(I dont have any, just curious)

Hey, I'm no developer, but I've been told that any effect that requires a check doesn't work, and that anything which adds a flat stat works. So following that logic, Shalk Exoskeleton should give you the 171 spell damage, just not the Minor Heroism. The word ''while'' in the description gives it away; because the server has to check whether you're in combat or not. Same thing for the Perfected Arena weapons.

But like I said, I'm no developer. I'm just going with what I've been told.

Peacatcher

TwiceBornStar wrote: »

Peacatcher wrote: »

Does a perfected arena weapon still give you the 2 piece stat? Or say the 171 spell damage on Shalk 5 piece.

Or is that considered part of the weapon's overall proc effect?

(I dont have any, just curious)

Hey, I'm no developer, but I've been told that any effect that requires a check doesn't work, and that anything which adds a flat stat works. So following that logic, Shalk Exoskeleton should give you the 171 spell damage, just not the Minor Heroism. The word ''while'' in the description gives it away; because the server has to check whether you're in combat or not. Same thing for the Perfected Arena weapons.

But like I said, I'm no developer. I'm just going with what I've been told.

Yeah thats what I was thinking too (Im on console so havent experienced the changes yet) and wasnt aure if it had been considered. Some of those 5 pieces have a nice higher than usual stat eg Shalk or Champion of the Hist.